What is the best all motor block??

[Mr2raceworks]

h22 sucks! one of the WORST motors Honda has put out, take that crap back to the lab

[xbn83]

Ohh really??? How so?

[josh green]

man just put a k24 from an accord off in it. They are $900 from H motors and I am sure a 5 speed from an ep3 is easy and cheap. It will have TONS for torque and pull pretty damn hard out of some turns. I remember my stock k20a2 in my eg was pretty torquey.

[B18CDELSLO]

h22 sucks! one of the WORST motors Honda has put out, take that crap back to the lab

you sir are a dumbass!!! if you knew ANYTHING at all bout h22s you wouldnt talk so much shit, if you have money to build all motor correctly i say go with h22!!! i personally like my b series for boost but the h22 has good potential

[-S Double C-]

h22 sucks! one of the WORST motors Honda has put out, take that crap back to the lab

mr2's suck take that damn shit box back to the lab! H22 is a great motor...how many b-series you see making 230whp on stock bottom ends. With just some head work and cams?! K-series yes BUT the H gives it a run for it's money! And if it's a H2B then that K is in trouble!

[xbn83]

mr2's suck take that damn shit box back to the lab! H22 is a great motor...how many b-series you see making 230whp on stock bottom ends. With just some head work and cams?! K-series yes BUT the H gives it a run for it's money! And if it's a H2B then that K is in trouble!

Haha !

[Mr2raceworks]

Plenty, get on honda-tech and don't use IA as your 100% pure source for HONDAS

Go to All Motor
then go to LS/Vtec HP Thread.....

My car doesn't look like a BOX, you are thinking of the Mk1, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeahh

mr2's suck take that damn shit box back to the lab! H22 is a great motor...how many b-series you see making 230whp on stock bottom ends. With just some head work and cams?! K-series yes BUT the H gives it a run for it's money! And if it's a H2B then that K is in trouble!

[ash7]

Plenty, get on honda-tech and don't use IA as your 100% pure source for HONDAS

Go to All Motor
then go to LS/Vtec HP Thread.....

true true! There are many many MANY examples of lsvtecs making 250+ all motor on HT. I had built the lsvtec in my hatchback to a dyno'd (abacus racing in VA beach) 215NAwhp before i got rid of it.

and you can even take it a step further... the same company that made your H2B conversion plate (Gr33nEk9) also makes a conversion plate for a B2D swap... a slightly built lsvtec mated with a short geared D series transmission would ruin a H2Bs day.

-jonathan

[-S Double C-]

true true! There are many many MANY examples of lsvtecs making 250+ all motor on HT. I had built the lsvtec in my hatchback to a dyno'd (abacus racing in VA beach) 215NAwhp before i got rid of it.

and you can even take it a step further... the same company that made your H2B conversion plate (Gr33nEk9) also makes a conversion plate for a B2D swap... a slightly built lsvtec mated with a short geared D series transmission would ruin a H2Bs day.

-jonathan

haha a built h-series makes 350+whp there's a shit load of them on H-T. B2D!!!!? Man the shortest d-series tranny is a ex/si tranny which those gears happen to be longer then a damn ls tranny. SOOOO why would you go b2d when there shortest geared tranny is just as long as a ls tranny?!

[ash7]

haha a built h-series makes 350+whp there's a shit load of them on H-T. B2D!!!!? Man the shortest d-series tranny is a ex/si tranny which those gears happen to be longer then a damn ls tranny. SOOOO why would you go b2d when there shortest geared tranny is just as long as a ls tranny?!

EX/Si
1st-----3.250
2nd-----1.900
3rd-----1.250
4th-----0.909
5th-----0.750 for Si HB and Del sol Si
or------0.702 for 2 dr or 4 dr sedan
Final Drive---4.250

USDM 94+ Integra LS
1st----3.230
2nd---1.900
3rd----1.269
4th----0.966
5th----0.714
Final Drive---4.266.2

just a tad longer than the LS, you're right. Let's not forget that the D series weighs a lot less, and utilizes "stubby" gears which hold up exceedingly well to abuse. Which is ideal for circuit driving.

If you're on a drag strip, then that's probably not what you'd be looking for. Because i know that you like to do 1/4 mile times...

Hondas shine the greatest on endurance circuits, where most teams use a B2D adapter plate on their B18C engines with a P20/B000 tranny utilizing ZC gears and a slightly shorter final drive.

And for the love of god man... stop making ignorant posts.

-jonathan

[tippatone]

I have 2 trannies an LS and a GSR the LS has a bad 3rd and the GSR a bad 4th, i wanted to know if the 5th gears for both is the same

EX/Si
1st-----3.250
2nd-----1.900
3rd-----1.250
4th-----0.909
5th-----0.750 for Si HB and Del sol Si
or------0.702 for 2 dr or 4 dr sedan
Final Drive---4.250

USDM 94+ Integra LS
1st----3.230
2nd---1.900
3rd----1.269
4th----0.966
5th----0.714
Final Drive---4.266.2

just a tad longer than the LS, you're right. Let's not forget that the D series weighs a lot less, and utilizes "stubby" gears which hold up exceedingly well to abuse. Which is ideal for circuit driving.

If you're on a drag strip, then that's probably not what you'd be looking for. Because i know that you like to do 1/4 mile times...

Hondas shine the greatest on endurance circuits, where most teams use a B2D adapter plate on their B18C engines with a P20/B000 tranny utilizing ZC gears and a slightly shorter final drive.

And for the love of god man... stop making ignorant posts.

-jonathan

[speedminded]

Hondas shine the greatest on endurance circuits, where most teams use a B2D adapter plate on their B18C engines with a P20/B000 tranny utilizing ZC gears and a slightly shorter final drive.

And for the love of god man... stop making ignorant posts.

-jonathan

Or just change the final drive Swap out the 4.40 in the GS-R and USDM Type-R and put in the 4.785 or 4.9+. (You can get 5.1+ Final drives for the K-series)

A lot of people have asked us for a base example of what to expect when fitting our products, so here you are. This is based on a stock B16A2 with S4C Box (8500rpm limit, stock gear ratios, stock 4.4 FD). Note that top speed is high as this does not include Aerodynamic Drag as a factor. All speeds are Approximate but gives you a good example:

1st: 40mph
2nd: 62mph
3rd: 90mph
4th: 118mph
5th: 154mph

With 4.05 Final Drive:
1st: 44mph
2nd: 67mph
3rd: 97mph
4th: 128mph
5th: 167mph

With 4.785 Final Drive:
1st: 37mph
2nd: 57mph
3rd: 82mph
4th: 108mph
5th: 142mph

With 4.928 Final Drive:
1st: 36mph
2nd: 55mph
3rd: 80mph
4th: 105mph
5th: 137mph

With Close Ratio Gear Set:
1st: 40mph
2nd: 62mph
3rd: 77mph
4th: 94mph
5th: 131mph

With Close Ratio Gear Set + 4.05 Final Drive:
1st: 44mph
2nd: 67mph
3rd: 84mph
4th: 102mph
5th: 142mph

With Close Ratio Gear Set + 4.785 Final Drive:
1st: 37mph
2nd: 57mph
3rd: 71mph
4th: 87mph
5th: 120mph

With Close Ratio Gear Set + 4.928 Final Drive:
1st: 36mph
2nd: 55mph
3rd: 69mph
4th: 84mph
5th: 117mph

[-S Double C-]

EX/Si
1st-----3.250
2nd-----1.900
3rd-----1.250
4th-----0.909
5th-----0.750 for Si HB and Del sol Si
or------0.702 for 2 dr or 4 dr sedan
Final Drive---4.250

USDM 94+ Integra LS
1st----3.230
2nd---1.900
3rd----1.269
4th----0.966
5th----0.714
Final Drive---4.266.2

just a tad longer than the LS, you're right. Let's not forget that the D series weighs a lot less, and utilizes "stubby" gears which hold up exceedingly well to abuse. Which is ideal for circuit driving.

If you're on a drag strip, then that's probably not what you'd be looking for. Because i know that you like to do 1/4 mile times...

Hondas shine the greatest on endurance circuits, where most teams use a B2D adapter plate on their B18C engines with a P20/B000 tranny utilizing ZC gears and a slightly shorter final drive.

And for the love of god man... stop making ignorant posts.

-jonathan

"STUBBY" hmmm if i can find the thread on H-T...a d series tranny is barley lighter then b-series and the internals are no where near as strong.

[-S Double C-]

Plenty, get on honda-tech and don't use IA as your 100% pure source for HONDAS

Go to All Motor
then go to LS/Vtec HP Thread.....

My car doesn't look like a BOX, you are thinking of the Mk1, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeahh

I LIVE on hondatech....not IA i see everything that goes on.

[IntegraXTR]

mr2's suck take that damn shit box back to the lab! H22 is a great motor...how many b-series you see making 230whp on stock bottom ends. With just some head work and cams?! K-series yes BUT the H gives it a run for it's money! And if it's a H2B then that K is in trouble!

I would have to agree on this, the h2b setup is by far superior as far as all motor goes. And it costs a fraction of the price of k-series.

As for the poll, I would vote b18c1 GSR all day long, its straight from the factory, has good power, and is very reliable. This is a good route to follow seeing how you're on a budget. b20 and LS both have the same problem, the rods are weak and neither motor can withstand high rev, in that case a little more work has to be done.

[Mr2raceworks]

LOL

You have no clue what you are talking about.
"the rods are weak and neither motor can withstand high rev" Ummm... So buy some better rods, and UMMMM UMMM get an Eagle Crank... DUH
what else you got?

I would have to agree on this, the h2b setup is by far superior as far as all motor goes. And it costs a fraction of the price of k-series.

As for the poll, I would vote b18c1 GSR all day long, its straight from the factory, has good power, and is very reliable. This is a good route to follow seeing how you're on a budget. b20 and LS both have the same problem, the rods are weak and neither motor can withstand high rev, in that case a little more work has to be done.

[IntegraXTR]

LOL

You have no clue what you are talking about.
"the rods are weak and neither motor can withstand high rev" Ummm... So buy some better rods, and UMMMM UMMM get an Eagle Crank... DUH
what else you got?

dude are you fukin stupid? I would stay with a OEM crank all damn day and fuking then some before I get a eagle crank. Second, I wouldnt have to rev high in a H22 to make power dumass, the h2b was designed to take the power of a H, with the revs of a B to utilize its full potential. Do some fukin research moron before you try to make a comeback.

Oh, since I don't know what I'm talking about, why don't you bring your shitbox mr2 out and find out.

[speedminded]

LOL

You have no clue what you are talking about.
"the rods are weak and neither motor can withstand high rev" Ummm... So buy some better rods, and UMMMM UMMM get an Eagle Crank... DUH
what else you got?

The race team i crew for was sponsored by Honda, they had a Speedvision Cup Prelude championship car and Honda was shipping them new engines and parts ALL the time...constantly...for ONE car! They are weak engines in stock form, good power and torque but cannot withstand abuse like a b-series. They have to be built, and built right with little expense spared.