What is the best all motor block??

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 02:07 AM

I am putting a motor in my teg but i dont know which block to use. I have a B20B that i will use until i save some money to build a motor. Should i use the b20 or build an LS/VTEC i dont know which way to go, any useful input will be appriciated.

**chava_rx7** · 07-31-2007, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by tippatone

I am putting a motor in my teg but i dont know which block to use. I have a B20B that i will use until i save some money to build a motor. Should i use the b20 or build an LS/VTEC i dont know which way to go, any useful input will be appriciated.

Just get a rotary man! you can get a whole car for like what you spend on a comple car get a first gen or second gen and for like 400 bucks you can make it as fast or faster than the car with the swap

**SPOOLIN** · 07-31-2007, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by tippatone

I am putting a motor in my teg but i dont know which block to use. I have a B20B that i will use until i save some money to build a motor. Should i use the b20 or build an LS/VTEC i dont know which way to go, any useful input will be appriciated.

Neither block is better than the other. Just use what you have. The gsr has some shitty oil squirters that you dont need if you are going with forged internals anyway. Hell a lot of people dont use them at all. People block them off anyway for the oil pressure.

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 08:25 AM

B20Z with knife edged crank & forged internals, bored out with RSX-R pistons...skunk2 stage 2 cams & valvetrain in a polished & ported b16 head. OEM/Skunk2 intake manifold. Hondata or Motec. Minimum 200whp with a flat torque curve that maxes out halfway up the rpm range...

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 08:34 AM

YES that is what is am talking about, good power without high rev, good

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by tippatone

YES that is what is am talking about, good power without high rev, good

It's a strong "torquey" setup but always seem to run into cooling issues with the B20's. Seriously for the money just do a stock K20a2...more reliable with power and torque being just as good.

**sullen** · 07-31-2007, 09:26 AM

not so, my neighbor has a B20 in his civic. colling issues are non existant. the only problem was that the engine has a bad IAC so it fluctuates the idle alot. goes from like 400 rpms to 1200 rpms. he has a tendancy to stall it too, though ive never stalled it. i think he just doesnt know how to drive.

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by sullen

not so, my neighbor has a B20 in his civic. colling issues are non existant. the only problem was that the engine has a bad IAC so it fluctuates the idle alot. goes from like 400 rpms to 1200 rpms. he has a tendancy to stall it too, though ive never stalled it. i think he just doesnt know how to drive.

I'm talking about running it in a car that is run redlined for hours at a time. I base my decisions on setups that are race proven

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 09:45 AM

I would definately put a K into my teg if i had the$$$$ those things are a arm and a leg

**sullen** · 07-31-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by speedminded

I'm talking about running it in a car that is run redlined for hours at a time. I base my decisions on setups that are race proven

ill give you that if it lasts through that treatment, itll last you on the street. but in reality, you will never use the motor in that manor on any street. ever. if people used their engines that way, im sure they would have a formula 1 engine swap available.

i would like to see that swap someday.

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by sullen

ill give you that if it lasts through that treatment, itll last you on the street. but in reality, you will never use the motor in that manor on any street. ever. if people used their engines that way, im sure they would have a formula 1 engine swap available.

i would like to see that swap someday.

Seen the setup i mentioned above but with dome top itr pistons in several 13 hour endurance races: alternator problem once, a lil grinding in 5th, and a few minor kinks but never an engine issue. Talking WOT for 13 hours straight

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 10:21 AM

I had a friend who had a B20 with a type-r head, his block had grooves in the cylinder walls, what causes that oil problem?

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by tippatone

I had a friend who had a B20 with a type-r head, his block had grooves in the cylinder walls, what causes that oil problem?

The VTEC conversion was probably done incorrectly.

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 10:54 AM

Thats what i thought or either a problem with oil flow

**sullen** · 07-31-2007, 10:57 AM

i didnt know the b20 stood up to all that, but you gotta give it its respect. WOT 13 hours straight, thats prety hard on any engine. and for it to only have those problems, thats pretty good man.

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by sullen

i didnt know the b20 stood up to all that, but you gotta give it its respect. WOT 13 hours straight, thats prety hard on any engine. and for it to only have those problems, thats pretty good man.

ah shit my bad i screwed up, just read what i wrote...only used the b20 block with sprint races (just a few hours at a time), the endurances are with a itr/b18c5 block it and never had problems with it.

**xbn83** · 07-31-2007, 01:41 PM

H22 has a lot potential for NA, much cheaper than GSR.

**speedminded** · 07-31-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by xbn83

H22 has a lot potential for NA, much cheaper than GSR.

w/ H23 block

Seen a couple put out 250+whp.

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 03:49 PM

Oh Yeah???

**xbn83** · 07-31-2007, 07:53 PM

H22/H23VTEC+H2B+B series LSD tranny

Your car will be fasttt and you don't spend as much as other swaps.

**Tech5** · 07-31-2007, 08:04 PM

Work in Progress

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 08:08 PM

Good stuff, a good high torque motor

**Mr2raceworks** · 07-31-2007, 09:39 PM

h22 sucks! one of the WORST motors Honda has put out, take that crap back to the lab

**xbn83** · 07-31-2007, 09:42 PM

Ohh really??? How so?

**josh green** · 07-31-2007, 10:02 PM

man just put a k24 from an accord off in it. They are $900 from H motors and I am sure a 5 speed from an ep3 is easy and cheap. It will have TONS for torque and pull pretty damn hard out of some turns. I remember my stock k20a2 in my eg was pretty torquey.

**tippatone** · 07-31-2007, 10:10 PM

K24 sound like alot of bread to put together

**B18CDELSLO** · 07-31-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mr2raceworks

h22 sucks! one of the WORST motors Honda has put out, take that crap back to the lab

you sir are a dumbass!!!

if you knew ANYTHING at all bout h22s you wouldnt talk so much shit, if you have money to build all motor correctly i say go with h22!!! i personally like my b series for boost but the h22 has good potential

**Mr2raceworks** · 08-01-2007, 01:05 AM

tippatone, If you want it BEAST, go K24 if you have the money, all depends on your power goals.

ps: don't get an H22 LOL

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:09 AM

Mr2raceworks that is what i am planning on doing when i get my tax return for next year. can i get one for about $4000?

**Mr2raceworks** · 08-01-2007, 01:11 AM

beats me, I haven't looked in to it lately, I looked into it about 2-3 years ago and the motors were going for $6,000

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:16 AM

Yeah that has come down about $1000, i was just told if i go to cali i can get one for 4500 to 5000, man thats some heavy cash

**B18CDELSLO** · 08-01-2007, 01:26 AM

do some research, there was a company a few years discreasing the displacement of the h22 to a 2 liter and had those engines runnin over 300 to the wheels!!! and if you think 5000 is heavy cash go boost!!! 5000 in a k24 after the initial cost of the swap will make it nice all motor, 1100 for cams, 850 for good header, itbs 2500, then the lil shyt like valve springs and retainers, and then the tuning will be a nice chunk on top of it and you still didnt get into the block

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:33 AM

You aint lying dude, i think with the money i'll spend on the k i could make a serious b or h setup

**B18CDELSLO** · 08-01-2007, 01:36 AM

i got a jdm gsr in my del sol, was bout to sell my swap and go k20a but then i came to my senses!!! its just not worth it yet, in 5 more years maybe but not now. go boost on the gsr

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:37 AM

Good idea man thanks

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 04:32 AM

My mind is made up. I am going B16/B20 setup all motor. What compression pistons would be good for an all motor B20 bottom end?

**josh green** · 08-01-2007, 06:22 AM

You are looking at things in the wrong perspective. Think about it, you can get a stock k20a2 swap on hmotors for $4k. I would rather spend the money on a stock swap then building a inferior motor when it comes to all motor. I had a stock k20a2 swap in my eg and with a street fuel tune it made 202whp and made 115ft.lbs of torque @ 2k rpms. With the 6 speed tranny I guarantee that that car could outrun a build B series or H series. The best part about it, I could beat the shit out of it b/c it was a completely stock honda engine. I would not waste your time building a H series for all motor, they make their power from displacement. The H series engines are just big and I dont really want to cut shit off a car unless its going to be worth it and to me a H series motor isnt worth it. Yes you can make power out of them but its going to take a lot more than you think. All motor go K, boosted got B.

**SPOOLIN** · 08-01-2007, 08:06 AM

and dont fucking knife edge a honda crank, IT DOESNT "SLIVE THROUGH THE OIL FASTER" because the crank doesnt even touch the oil in the first place except for maybe a half centimeter. A virgin honda crank, is far superior than any mod you can do to it besides a simple balancing with rods and pistons.

**chunky** · 08-01-2007, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by tippatone

YES that is what is am talking about, good power without high rev, good

LOL @ a n/a honda making good power w/o revving high.

**o_bomb** · 08-01-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by xbn83

H22/H23VTEC+H2B+B series LSD tranny

Your car will be fasttt and you don't spend as much as other swaps.

I agree with the H series, but that h2b conversion is expensive...

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