I was CLEAR. $100 bring it to mainstream, tow it, drive it, push it. I don't care
If it makes 250whp or MORE and it's a b series ALL MOTOR, i will pay for dyno time and give who ever it is $100. I didn't say post a dyno sheet.
Honestly I could care less what anyone's tuned in new York or up north. Im talking about a legitimate 250whp all motor b series in GEORGIA.
So either accept or not, doesn't matter to me
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I'm sorry I missed where this was "let's make a deal". I threw out a challenge, I'm not willing to pay $500, I'm willing go pay $100 plus dyno time.
Theres no negotiating .If $100 isn't enough, so be it I'll continue to think no car in Georgia can crack 250 b series on MAINSTREAMS dyno.
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Just catching up on the thread. I don't think a 250whp B series at mainstream would impress me. If you said SAE corrected at mainstream that would be a little better but their dyno reads a little high and then they always have it showing STD corrected numbers.
So 250 STD is probably 240ish SAE on most other dyno jets here in GA. Surely there are a few cars making that sort of power around here.
dyno #s FTL. How about we all just install G meters in our cars and start comparing numbers that actually mean something?
I just want to know how many of them bud lights you have to drink to pick up that concrete saw strecth lmao. I used to operate heavy construction equipement for my dad and i always had to run the damn concrete saw and the hand tamps screw that . Ill go get a 8:00 hour temp before i ever pick up one again lmao.
252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111
i could realy give a rats ass about a b series dyno honestly lol. If you want to pm me the dyno on that k series hatch ill be glad to look at it lol.
My point was people stop making little smart comments that leads to these youger guys thinking its so easy to build a high all motor car thats it.
252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111
Well obviously I only mean Georgia.
Tbone made 250+ years ago. And I know others making that kinda power
Just not in georgia
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I think that needs to be tested and may no longer be the case. Recently you stated that the new dyno reads higher and based on a couple of dynos I would tend to agree. But ultimately it's all speculation until tested.
Either way props to you putting up the challenge I hope someone steps up to take your money.![]()
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Yeah I mean this was a long time ago. Here's why I think that way:
My 237whp Crx dynoed at mainstream at 10am, then I drove 10 miles to batlground for a "Honda tEch "meet and at 1115 I dynoed 228whp on their dyno
Shaggys itr eg made 172whp at balanced and 12 hours later made 185whp at mainstream
I've seen a ton of guys dyno higher at balanced that at mainstream
And I worked 3 years at mainstream and a year at batlground prob dynoed over 500-600 cars total.
But this was before MAINSTREAMS new dyno, and I haven't kept up with who makes what now and vice versa
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Im not complaining because how hot it is or how cold it is all makes a difference . Im just stating this for the sake of the argument .
Our car same setup made less on the new mainstream dyno then the old one lol. Food for thought . We are talking 5hp which could have been contributed to anything no big deal.. I just made this satement because of the statements that the new dyno is higher .
Either way if it is thats a even more reason to take mikes bet right?
There are alot of shops that know there shit in the all motor world out west and im sure are alot of realy nice b series builds just not in georgia. We are so far behind and anybody new coming in the game would choose k series anyway.
252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111
K is cool, but damn who has 1000+ for cams? That shit's wack, I'll stick to my B series until the K runs the town, but right now they don't..
My thought's are it will take less power in a B to out run a K from a dig or low roll.. The K game is not that big here, if it is where are they? I don't hear about 300hp K in GA. Not even 270, the only one I know is broke.. What's left the H, hell it needs a B series tranny to be anything..LOL
Atlanta is weak, end of story.. Fastest turbo car goes what 10.3, that is weak!!
And if the K is so great why is that the big dogs still boost the B? Riddle me that... Sucka's!!!
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I could show you quit a few nasty turbo k motors in georgia that will run with the big b series turbo cars.. hell the was a red si trapping 148 running tt at showdown.
I do agreew ith you bobby which is why i havnt went k . As for b series turbo hell you can make as much as a k series turbo so no need to go k thats a easy choice .
b series bolt right in ,there cheaper with more supporting mods then the k, and you can make as much turbo hp as a k so thats a no brainer .
Price to hp has always been my argument and i can build a nasty 250hp h motor for what a 200hp b series motor cost lol.
I will admite the h series tranny has been the hold back to the h world for years . H2b takes that out the question and lets the h series be more competetive .
252plus hp and 34.5 miles to the gallon all motor. 12.2 at 111
Thing nice about k series, rods pistons, stock sleeves, springs retainers and cams can make close to 900 with the right turbostuff.....no sleeving and porting the head like is a must with b and.h series
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Why did Stretch get banned???
Im not a mod but i can take a guess why he was banned and why effiliated sig was taken down.
You cant advertise for a shop that doesnt pay to sponsor IA. They are pretty strict about that. So having "midnight auto" in your sig, if they dont advertise, then mods will remove it. But they are suppsoed to warn first.
Banning stretch seems excessive, unless he was warned and they resisted
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Well ive been extremely surprised several times on both dynoes (old and new). I mean i never expected a stock ITR with a header to make 200whp. You know HOW MANY people try to make 200whp on a 1.8L and never make it, with way crazier setups than mine. Ive seen cammed, built 1.8s not make 190.
Jasons motor i remember telling him it would make 200-210 tops, and first pull it made 222 then later 227. His "chipped " ebay skunk2 map made almost the same power as Scottys tuned map (peak whp) which 99 out of 100 cars , if they told me "i have an ebay skunk2 program" (which skunk2 NEVER offered any kind of skunk2 map) id say "itll be way off" and i would be right. His i wasnt. and i never expected his motor to make that kind of power based on his mods.
So things can change for sure
simple fact is B Series is NOT EASY to make power on. H22 and Ks have better flowing heads, bigger motors which translates to more power, etc. I can name 10 H22s making over 230 in the last 2-3 years. I cant name 5 B series making that kind of power and there is a reason for it.There are alot of shops that know there shit in the all motor world out west and im sure are alot of realy nice b series builds just not in georgia. We are so far behind and anybody new coming in the game would choose k series anyway.
It has nothing to do with Georgia "being far behind". it has everything to do with not everyone can do it
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Not entirely true, most of the fast NA cars are Ks right now, SOME bs like disco monkey, but mose, midnight, matt , gregg are all K.
Simple is its NOT easy to make 300+ in a K just like its not easy to make 250+ in a B series. And All Motor is $$$$$ i dont care what greg or anyone else says, its MINIMUM $5000-6000 to make 250+ All motor, and more if its a K. You cant get around the fact that what it takes to make the power is built motors and all bolt ons, tuning etc. The AVERAGE person here cant just do all the work themselves. Very few people are like Chunky who can build a 250whp SAE motor. time , money, parts, it all ads up.My thought's are it will take less power in a B to out run a K from a dig or low roll.. The K game is not that big here, if it is where are they? I don't hear about 300hp K in GA. Not even 270, the only one I know is broke.. What's left the H, hell it needs a B series tranny to be anything..LOL
10.1 is not the fastest. theres been several cars (peter, H+M) that have runs high 9s. Right now spoolin seems to be very competitive with his low 10 passes. But his car has more in it. 10 is FAST. Very few people across the country are running consistent 9s without sponsorships. Actually almost ALL the FWD import showdown and faceoff guys around the country are running 10.1s. All motor seems to be 11.2-11.3 is the winner.Atlanta is weak, end of story.. Fastest turbo car goes what 10.3, that is weak!!
So spooling is running 10.1s, thats consistent with the rest of the country. And Disco Monkey is running 11.5s, thats CLOSE to the K cars running 11.2-11.3 around the country.
So i disagree, we arent "weak"
COST. period. You can still be competive with B Series. Like i just stated, Spoolin=Turbo B and wins events and runs same times as rest of the country. Disco Monkey is right there with a B.And if the K is so great why is that the big dogs still boost the B? Riddle me that... Sucka's!!!
Later!!
If matt can run 10.1s and win events with a 600whp B Series, why spend $5000 for a 800whp K? makes no sense. As far as NA goes, if you are starting from SCRATCH, K is the MOST expensive motor to swap and build. B is second, H is cheapest. Which is why H2B seems the way to go.
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Hurry up and get that shit in there so you can have a open house/dyno day and shut these ppl up talkin about what they wish they made
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I agree big time... Im building an all motor and go to dragcartel.com and youll see why its not a k,.if I was only looking for 275 to 300 I might could afford it but kseries is rediculously expensive
Also jimmy jones went 9.2 and nick should be well into the 9s alsobut there in maccon
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We are in off topic, and he made this thread.. Yes it was moved here, but look at the date started (5/15), why ban now and not then? Why not warn him?
And Midnight Auto is closed down!! So why delete the other guy's sig pic? I haven't seen him or Morris advertise the new shop name on here, so I have to say one of the Mod's are abusing their powers!!