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Ooh, lol! True story. Just remember I have been beating on some of those parts for 4 years, lol! And the ones that failed have been down the track numerous 9 second passes. Guess they deserved to be retired. You taking the hatch to the track soon? I want to see it run since you got the touch up done. Or are you going to wait till ShowDown?
just so everyone knos i was playin on the 4 cylinder think, i was more or les spoking fun at houston cause when he had the mach 1 no 4 cylinder could beat him, then he got the rsx-s and no v8 could beat him, now he has a rustang again, you see where i is going :) but my "fictitious" money is on h22 jones, sorry houston
hmmmm...2v with bolt ons vs h22jones.....sorry 2v you gonna get raped!....2v on 75 shot....you gonna get raped again but this time with lube so it wont be as bad!
Yea were taking it to the track soon . After i gave my dad my motor out the accord i put his f20b in it (f20b went 13.5 in the hatch bone stop 5 times in a row its a very nice cheap swap) and gave it to my sister well she was driving it when it flooded awhile back and just so happened to be the same day i took the bumper off to get the front end alighned and she sucked up water bent every rod in the motor lol so she has had my dads truck for the last couple of months . We didnt want to tack the car to the track with him not having his truck as a back up and my wifes cousin has had my tahoe since i bought a new expedition . I finaly got my motor in my four door accord that im going to use for a dd till it sells and i put the motor in my sisters accord today i just got to paint the hood tomorrow ( i raised the lift up 6 months ago and the hood hit the top of the lift not pretty lol) and finish up everything . i got alot of money in that car and hated seeing it like it was so now i have alot more money in it lol ( yes the pink wheels are gone i couldnt handle it0 but it will be nice again and my sister will be happy. I was building a motor for the accord but i only have two clean stock blocks and i wanted to save them for all motor builds . Allmotor x texted me last week and sold my a clean f20b five speed motor ,brand new brian crower stage 2 cams ,brand new skunk2 intake with 68mm throttlebody for 600 thanks man that was a hell of a deal i realy appreciate it . I decided to just give the f20b to my sister since her computer is tunned for a f20b anyway and if im going to build a motor it mine as well be a fully built one . Thanks to jj hooking me up with a guy i got my 55mm dart block i been looking for so im fixing to build my motor everything is coming together pretty good. I towed my hatch to the shop today to start on the engine bay ill post pictures as soon as i get started .
there are a few around here that could do that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by QWK D16
I have two sets of types cams and valve train also the brian crower stage 2 cams plus the skunk2 pro2 cams. I also have the 55mm main f20b block that just came out of my sisters car plus my 55mm main dart block. i got 3 f23 cranks 1 55mm main h23 crank and plenty of 50mm main h23 cranks . I got a set of mauhle pistons that will be 12.3 compression bolted to f23 crank and rods plus my set of weisco pistons that im running in my big motor. My point is i have enough shit to build my big motor and two more h motors over 250hp. Im thinking of building my wife a 250hp hatch so i will have something for my sister to race and for me to play with along with my dads hatch till i build my car . My car is going to take a while because i want it realy clean and being that paint and body is what i make most my money on( yea who would have none lol i just fool with hondas mostly as a hobby) i have the means to make my hatch flawless and i plan on it . Im going to get some gas for my welder tomorrow and get started time to have some fun guys. My dad is almost finished building my friend in atls motor ( we run into a problem with the block so jj if you have a h22a4 block for sale call me) that should be close to 280 all motor hp also .This year and next year should be fun im tired of nobody being in the allmotor class maybe ill enter four cars myself lol.
I do not speed shift my dads car or realy push it at all he loves this car and truely drives it everyday. I would like it to run a 11.9 and when i get another motor built for a backup we might push it a little harder as far as my car goes i dont give a shit we going to make it run no matter what it takes lol. It will be atleast 300 pounds lighter then my dads ,h2b ,and should put out a few more ponies . I think a 11 second allmotor street car would be very nice around here and im sure my dads will do that .I have no idea what mine will do traction will always be the issue and most people running f23 cranks are making over 200 foot pounds of tourqe all motor thats just nasty. Traction will defently be a problem hopfully i can run 24 inch slicks and still keep my gearing i want since its h2b . I have a couple b series tranys i want to try so we will see.
As sad as i was to see your car break you deffently got the goodies out your parts jj i will say that. I realy think if you got in the all motor game you would enjoy it since its so competitve . I mean did you read the big race on honda-tech every car was 10.6 or 10.5 except for the pepsie k20 and it run 10.2 but broke thats just sick for a allmotor street car and that was like 8 different cars that competitive i love it. Ill never spend the money to run tens in a allmotor and i have never realy wanted a all out drag car (the cams you have to run in allmotor to run tens arnt street friendly at all ) i love how smooth a honda runs and the fact that it can look and run so stock but be such a beast . I do beleive i can run mid to high 11s allmotor without cutting a car to pieces or running stage 3 cams and thats what id like to do simple as that.
No, now youre a Pilot. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Evil Goat
Yep, Yours too! Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z0_o6
bwahahahahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by QWK D16
see the 4v guy knos his shit tooQuote:
Originally Posted by japan4racing
Fixed!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarKStaR
Yet. I havnt ran my car but twice.....how long did it take you? with how much power?
O the doubts how I love it to prove you guys wrong lolQuote:
Originally Posted by japan4racing
I ran 10.98 in a car that shouldn't have went that fast lifting on every shift.....I could've popped another set of pills in and knocked down 10's with ease but it was all about getting that perfect run....Quote:
Originally Posted by DarKStaR
not to mention I probably had less in my entire setup than you have in a turbo and manifold....your car should run 10's this go around....if you need a driver I'm available, lol
and just because this picture cracks me up...
http://videogum.com/img/thumbnails/photos/you_mad.jpg
So you are saying you are gonna slap a 75 shot on a 2v and run faster than 12.3?Quote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
do it then :) 2vs are just not the performance oriented persons choice when it comes to modulars, they take a shit load of work to make real extreme power is all im sayin for the money you are gonna put in it to say make 500 whp, thats not like a 300 shot lol which your car wouldnt hold, i could make 700-800 on my pushrod,i will say at least yours is a PI motorQuote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
Very doubtful but ya never kno, if he did weight reduction, drag suspension, on straight slicks i could say maybe, but only time and a trip to SDR will tellQuote:
Originally Posted by japan4racing
What makes you think I cant go higher? stock 2v motors can handle 100 shot untuned but mine will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by japan4racing
A stock PI Mustang on a 75 shot is only about 310-320 rwhp. Is that gonna be enough for a 12.3?? Even a tuned 100 shot will only make about 350whp, and that car is heavy...
Its only a 140 lbs heaver in stock trim compared to a hard top.....Quote:
Originally Posted by QWK D16
On Mustangforums.com
Weight - Your basic 5 speed coupe without driver weights 3250lbs. So with an average driver weighing about 180lbs that puts your race weight at 3430lbs. At that weight and a power to weight ratio of .075 you would need 258RWHP to hit 12’s. Power to weight is the power of your car (rear wheel) divided by race weight of the car. Using my car when I broke into the 12’s first time I was making 246RWHP and had a race weight of 3250lb, which worked out to a .075 power to weight ratio or .075RWHP per pound of the car. From what I’ve seen a car can get into the 12s with a .075 to .080 P/W ratio. So if your race weight is 3430lbs then 3430 * .075 = 257.25RWHP. As long as you keep this ratio in the .075 to .080 range you are fine plus keep in mind you can drop weight instead of adding power. An example of this is a car with a 3000lb race weight could break into the 12s with 225RWHP (close to stock power on a GT).
Rebuttle anyone?
I can has a 250 hp motor?Quote:
Originally Posted by h22 jones
Pussy lift shifting.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil Goat
I only had $1500 in my whole turbo setup. I didnt go baller on it like some people lol
My car should go 10s no problem on 24.5s but i will only be able to borrow a set of 22s for the 2 races in november....so on those im hoping for low 11s. Gotta get some different suspension thats adjustable so i can run some 24.5x9s
I wouldnt let you drive my car....it has a weight limit....LULZ
Sure, here's your rebuttle:Quote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
The only way that YOU are going to be able to do 12's with 260hp in that convertible Mustang of yours is if you have someone FAST tow you down the track. Or you could try a FLYING 1/4 (not a dig), and you might get to the 12's then - assuming you start from your top speed. :taun:
Your car is a 2000 GT convertible, right? If so, curb weight is 3375 lbs stock, and 260 bhp.
http://www.miracerros.com/mustang/2000_specs.html
A rough calcuation on stock flywheel hp should be about a 14.5 on good tires, on a good track.
With the hp upped to 260 rwhp, you should see around a 13.7.
To make a 12.9, you would need a good launch and cut your weight from the car to keep it at 3375, and about 310 RWHP or 360 bhp.
I figured for a 17% driveline loss.
:own3d:Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
plus you gotta be able to launch a car, and speaking from experience houston, owning a convert myself, your stock suspension is way to soft and has to much body roll/ horrible weight transfer to launch correctly, also if you arent on slicks or at least DRs you arent gonna see low 12s let alone prob high 12s but hey only time and a trip to the track will tell all, go for it i will be thoroughly impressed if you cut a 12.3
So how many trips to the track and attempts to run 12s do you get before we run? I mean its been close to a year i would say since i ran a 12.3. My otor could be hurt who knows i could miss three gears ( ive seen it done lol not namimg any names ) you ready to race? i mean whats 500 dollars between friends come on ? Dont let these guys tell you what your car will or will not do man its your car and nobody knows your car like you do. Id prove them all wrong and come take my 500 dollars.
I will be glad to build anybody a 250hp motor, parts arnt cheap and knowledge cost twice as much as the parts . How do you say it jj labor is $40a hour, $60 if you watch and $80 if you help lmao. Honestly man jj has the performance shop around here. My dad does alot of port and polishing for alot of people and i build all mine and my friends motors but this is more of a hobby for me when it comes to the performance side of hondas not what i make my living at . I do own a shop and i do alot of maintness on hondas but my bread and butter as you would say it is paint and body thats what i make most my money at . I like to pick and choose what performance stuff i mess with because if it doesnt intrest me then i would rather be painting something thats why you dont see me building turbo cars if they call i send them to jj . If its a all motor car (preferable h22 i would also do k series) that is going to make some real hp im glad to mess with it . Its not that i got anything against b series but for one i have no bseries parts were i would be willing to beat i got more hseries parts then any shop in the state maybe bigger then that. Also it just takes a tone of money to make allmotor hp with a bseries but if you wanted to spend it i would fool with it . Im not trying to down anybodys setup or what they choose to build dont get me wrong i just like fooling with what i enjoy since this is the hobby side of my buisness and send the rest to jj so he can make a living and help support the honda racing. I have people call me everyday about builds and i answer every question i can trying to help out as much as i can so i hope nobody thinks im being a dick and dont want mess with slower cars its nothing to do with that at all i just dont have time to do everything so i have to do what makes me the most money. If there wasnt another performance shop in macon i might try to do a little more but jj has a very nice shop ,he also does great work and everybdy has to make a living. If you want to make over 250hp on a h series and got a little money then lets do it man.
much better looking sig/\
No doubt a 2v will hold a 100 shot...infact all you gotta do is load the factory tune and spray away, monitor your a/f, and adjust the fuel pill untill you have a satisfactory afr and you are in business! the reason I dont think you can hit 12.3 or lower is coming up belowQuote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
Hey Chris, remember what I just told you above? My car with the bolt-ons I have probably makes, in the neighborhood, of about 290-310whp. last week i ran 13.11@109 with an awful 2.1 60' just as it sits on any given day...no drag radials, no slicks, no aggressive tune...just a daily driver stang. Lets just say you car was making 260whp(which we know its not unless you have considerable bolt ons) and you spray the 75 shot and it makes....310whp with rediculous torque.....I do not see the car going faster than 12.5 on a slick..and mph will be streched out...I dare even to say you will trap 103-105ish on a 12.5 with slicks a 75 shot. Im not trying to rain on your parade or talk shit about you...Im just being realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by QWK D16
I weigh 220lbs and last week my car with me in it weighed 3616lbs...thats 146lbs heavier than you have heardQuote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
even at 180lbs a typical 5 speed weighs at least 3570ish...add the extra 140 and you are at 3710!Quote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
so you think with a car weighing 3700lbs and making 310whp its gonna run low 12's? I got bad news for ya....my 93 civic dx with ~300whp ran 12.20 on slicks and it weighed 2600lbs....a 3700lb sled with the same whp is not gonna run low 12's...mid to high 12's are in your future if you can short time it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
My car is not stock, I'm only 170 lbs and I seriously doubt my car weighs 3700 lbs, you gotta think the 4 valve mustang motors are heavier than a 2 valve. I know how to drive on the track , I'm not saying i'm the best but I'm sure I can get a good time, plus i got a decent 3.73 gear with some good tires I'm just waiting til I put the 4.10 gear before I go to the track.
Also a basic 5 speed coupe with out a driver weighs 3250 +me(170lbs)+140(Convertable)=3560lbs
I'm confident enough to break 12s easy with my setup.
3560 lbs needs about 320 rwhp to run 13.0 with a good launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by thundercatz1
My foxbody did not run 12's the last time it was at Commerce. Care to line them up for $300?
Thats cool with me let me build my rear end first and then we can get it done....Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
Since I'm coming back out hard real soon, for anybody wanting to run me, I will be on slicks and 100 shot so there will be no confusion.
....heeeere we go.
ding ding ding round 12204983509709 lol :) i would be interested houston ill be in touch once i get teh transmission situation i am in is fixed :)
No problem manQuote:
Originally Posted by boosted347
we can be real men and roll race :thinking:
Nah can we haz dig race?Quote:
Originally Posted by boosted347
ha yes in due time need a $2500 tranny, axles, and slicks then we are good to go :)
What tranny you going with the tko 600?Quote:
Originally Posted by boosted347
prob so, either that or their new tko700 they are about to release, i plan on goin dart block and upping the boost this summer so im planning ahead :)
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Originally Posted by thundercatz1
Sure!