Good deal!Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Good deal!
you guys are going to piss me off and make me build a 350whp k series civic cx so my wife can smoke your asses lol
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Cool, thanks for the clarification. All I remember from that IFO was a white all motor CRX on Lensos, haha. Wasn't sure if that was this guy or not.
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in for that!!!!
SPOOLIN you know damn well you can build a serious B. Fuck the K.
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Well I'm pretty sure that the K series transmission when redline shifting doesn't drop down to below 6000 RPM so in a all out race the advantage wouldn't be as great as you state.
And my car does in fact way just south of 2600 lbs with me in it. It was about 2575 last time i weighed it at the track. Stock weight on coupes is close to 2450. Trust me I know area under the curve and all that mess. Last time I checked I made about 140 torque. What were your torque numbers again?
Lets take a loot at those graphs. You should remember these graphs. If you look at them Significantly more torque? Well if you look at the graph i am making about 140- torque at 6k rpm.... and at 6k you're making very similar torque with you coming to your peak at 138. So I've only got you by about 2 torque at most... And then they follow similar high revving honda torque curves out the rest of the RPM range. Oh and mind you these were both done at mainstream so this argument is legitimate and valid.
And as for what my car has ran, I have yet to run 13's but like I said it is good for low 13's because my best run was a 13.5 with a 1.99 60' and a 101.5 trap. And this was my first run on slicks. With my gf in the car... Who is by no means fat haha but is another 125+ lbs to the weight of the car at the time of doing this. My next and last pass had a 1.90 60' but I couldn't find second gear because first had run out so fast (I was on 20" slicks... too small!)
SOOOOO with some very ROUGH calculations, mind you, car weighed 2550 at the time with me in the car.... add gf and it was about 2675? I make what 194whp? and with a 2 second 60' on slicks I cut a 13.5. at 101.5.
Now anyone who knows drag racing I'm sure knows about the kind of true rule of thumb that for every tenth off of your 60' can be up to 2 tenths off your final ET. So lets say I practice my launch better and get it down to a ... modest 1.8 60'. Now that's not amazing by any means... Mike you yourself told me with practice on slicks our cars can cut 1.6's. SO with just 2 tenths that's up to .4 off ET... so lets be modest and say I only get .2 off ... that brings the car to about a 13.3... Now remove the gf lol... 100 lbs is said to be about a tenth in the quarter too, correct me if I am wrong....
So I think it is perfectly acceptable to think that your car as it stands.... even if it weighs 2150, i figured it weighed less, have you weighed it? That makes 202hp and 138trq and has very similar power curves to mine. that revs longer, has a b16 tranny as well (I think K series K ratios still give it the upper hand here... not positive on this one.) on slicks with a good 60 of 1.7 to 1.8 could very well hit high twelves on a good day. I think this is a perfectly reasonable expectation and I think that all of this data provides support for this situation.
Now I know, before anyone trys to flame me... This is basically bench racing and speculation and that there are so many more variables that come into play here and blah blah blah... I know all this... All I am saying is that from the given inforation, it's perfectly reasonable for this to be expected out of mike's car.
K-What?!?!
you mean let mainstream build it? but ya bring it and i will let my wife drive mine
you just made a mistake there....everyone on this board...and thats a lot, knows i build every inch of my engines and trannies and choose the parts that make power properly. You are a fucking idiot. Nobody in this town can make the power i do and make it last as long as i have.
Main Stream simply provides me with facilities when i need it, dyno time, and some fabrication work. Ive supported them for 6 years just as they have supported me for about 5 in that manner.
Thank you.
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nobody in this town can build a motor a make it last like you? I know a few people that can,but one I know of for sure you will find out soon .oh a buy the way quit acting like a bad ass behind the computer and keep the stupid remarks to you self.it's ok to talk shit but quit calling people stupid before you piss me off.
smells like ass in this thread
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They should have never gave u niggggas vtec
LOL you are the one coming in saying i dont build my shit trying to call me out on something you don't know. I know whos got what around here, and i know whos trying to make power and its not gonna be all that. If you try to claim something on me Im going to tell you that you are a fucking idiot if you are wrong...I have reason too. If someone wants to try and make more power than me i applaud them, but i can just turn around and make 1000hp if i wanted too but theres no point until i use the 800+ i already have that i built.
It's really simple: no one has the experience I have in experimentation and blowing engines up to figure out what works.
Go play with your stock engine race car
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now you just need to learn how to use all that power,maybe one day you will learn to drive and get out of the 10s that's sad all that power and still in the 10s don't matter how much power you got if you don't know how to use it
Ive known spoolin since his Turbo Del Sol days, and mainstream has never been more than a facility that assists with HIS WORK. While i was with Mainstream we did stuff like Tuning, Roll Cage and turbo manifold fabrication. The engine, turbo kit, paint, chassis setup etc was all done by Spoolin.
Even if mainstream did ALL the work, who cares, they did all my work. Im too old to be getting dirty, id rather pay them to do it right than me do it.
As far as someone else making more power than spoolin, to date there isnt ANYONE i know of in ROME even CLOSE to him. If that changes, well let the dyno speak for itself
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who cares about HP? it doesnt mean anything if you have 1200hp and your quarter mile times arnt worth a damn. And i hear this excuse all the time "well my trap speed was high enough to run blah blah blah" well who cares? you didnt run that
i think hes run mid 10s, which with 650whp, that isnt bad. IIRC he hasnt made a full pass at 8xx whp
If he has, well shit you dont just hop in a car with 800+whp an run 9s. Doesnt work that way.
HP doesnt mean SHIT if you cant hook or keep the car straight down the track. Look at all the 350whp+ NA guys that run 10s, and some run mid 9s. HP doesnt mean anything without TRACTION
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your right just like I said does you no good if you don't know how to use it
thank you that's what I'm saying
well i mean its not as simple as "pussy you dont know how to use it!"
Who the fuck knows how to pilot a 800whp FWD Civic? Ask any of the guys on here that make those numbers from Alfonso, Danny, Peter, Bee (if he was still around), JKODB, JJMastertech, etc its not an easy thing to learn.
People spend countless hours ,passes, and unfortunately engines learning their car and how to make it go faster. Im a perfect example. Somehow you have figured out how to run a 200whp car to mid 12s, apparently that is a talent i dont possess yet. You figured out how to set your car up.
But dont tell me the first pass you ever did in your car was a mid 12. it prob took you awhile to get there.
Thats all im saying
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I was just commenting about making the power ...I know how to use it and have the right setup.... When someone gives me 4000$ for a tranny to hold the power we'll be laying down the times. Otherwise it will just have to happen next spring when I make the purchase. this why i said i could make 1000hp if i wanted to but there is NO point because i gotta get the stuff to hold up to it and get it down the track.
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^ Liberty?
no my first pass was 13.0 not chipped but ya there's a way to get 800hp to hook and get it down the track but we will leave that behide closed doors,the guy that my buddys been talking with to set his up has done did it,let's see he lives in texas and his first name is tony
really, you are going to bring up the Torsion bar secret, its not a secret...and HE doesn't even know if it really works, there are 3 people using them that i have seen the cars in person and go down the track. I've seen tony's car in person and seen it run down the track. He has a 3000$ engine management that allows him to do all sorts of shit. Im not in the dark at all here as to whats on peoples cars. his car is basically a manually shifted automatic. The only way to find out of it works is to setup flex and strain sensors. Tonys car is making well over 1100hp...thats how hes running high 8's...and his tranny and tuning setup with that.
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yes
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well talking and doing are 2 different things. I can sit here an tell you all day how to set a car up, but that doesnt mean you are going to go out an run some gangster pass.
I can tell you how to build a record breaking NA engine, but i couldnt do it myself.
Spoolin has had lots of trans problems. I think hes on his 3rd or 4th this year even. Unfortunately when you make that kind of power you find out weak links very fast.
All im saying is hes run 10s, theres no shame in that, a car of that magnitude isnt a 1 pass 9 second animal, it takes time.
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Oh, Peter Heu ran 9.9s consistently in his 650whp EG hatch. Peter built this SUPER SICK Integra that made almost 1000whp with way more shit done to it than his EG hatch. IT took him a LONG TIME to get back into the 9s because the car was a totally different animal, was more complicated, etc.
Peter was a seasoned driver and knew what he was doing but even he had problems with car reliability, setup etc. Its not as simple as you are making it out to be IMO
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There is someone in this town but it's not finished yet but soon I hope
Oh shit son, name dropping in the second degree!
I'm just gonna say this much: The way you are going about clowning people, won't lead people to take you seriously. As Mike stated, there is a WORLD of difference in getting 800whp to hook up in comparison to 600whp. This may sound odd to you, but hearsay ain't the way.
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I know Tony Paulo too, doesnt mean i can run 9s if i build a 800whp civic
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I spoke with miller once, i didn't get anything out of him as to how im going to run an 8.75 at 172...
No offense allmotorcrx to your friend but going from 300hp to 800+ if it happens is a VERY humbling experience and its experience that he lacks. I know exactly who you are talking about.
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anyway back on subject let me know maybe we can run for that header
he's got plenty of experience but will see in a matter of time,but we are all here for the same thing to race and have fun so quit being a dick and thinking you are the only one that can build a quick car.ya your cars quick and hey your rep. Rome ha ha but don't be an ass
The first one to be an ASS is usually the last one to be the ASS. Review thread to see who was first.
Come run the IFO all motor class and actually do SOMETHING.
See you people at IFO...I should make it no problem.
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So far ALLMOTOR you're the biggest "ass" in this thread. If any1 is a wallet-racer that'd probably be me. I have no interest in getting greasy or oily - although it'd be nice to be able to do more of my own work. I did that as a teenager when I was broke. Now I "think" for a living and I'd have it no other way than to exchange my funds for some1 else's effort. It DEFINITELY wouldn't be SPOOLIN who's a wallet-racer... that's for damn sure. Every1 in the know knows that he builds his own engines etc.
Also - stop e-racing your friends car before it even comes together - you just climbed up a few rungs on the gay ladder. It could puke on the dyno - or break at the line. Or end up on the back-burner when "real life" rears it's ugly head just like lots of people's projects.
Last edited by BABY J; 10-01-2009 at 11:18 AM.
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So vteckidd we going to try and do this oneday
i thought so. you said a 3-4k trans and its was the only thing that i could think of.
hopefully some low 10's or high 9's will be in the near future. i will be looking forward to seeing it.
allmotor, matt has built every motor he has had. even way back when he had the turbo'd sol. then to the eg....and to the ek he has now. getting 800hp to hook all the way the track isn't that easy. too many variables come into play when trying to make a pass with something like that. i will say that spoolin probably has one of the highest, if not the highest, hp honda's in GA. everyone can say they can build a motor capable of doing that, very very few prove it. for instance, i won't mention names but i'm sure matt and you both know who i'm talking about since the guy did put the h22 into your car. he's been talking about building a 600+hp crx for years. he went through did all the work. and funny thing is.....its still not done. i know for a fact its been a good 3-4 years of him trying to do it. still not done.
i put the h in my car he did the wiring
well you know who i'm talking about. main point of the post.
yeah we can do it, sometime next week most likely, ROME is about 20-30min from me
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