should the entire kf be password protected?

[NoRotor]

In the past, we've found that the SLOW CARS are the ones that are MORE LIKELY to be the shit talking douchebags.

I think that its just that the "slow cars" are the ones that can't back up their claims. If "we've found"/concluded that they (the slow cars) are indeed the "shit talking douchebags", then why aren't they banned yet?

The slowest people are the loudest mouths most the time, whereas MOST of the faster cars know their place, and make callouts accordingly.

If everyone already "knows their place", then there really wouldn't be any racing at all, unless it was against perfectly even-matched cars, all boiling down to driver skill. Since that's what we're trying to measure anyway when you get a "good race" (against evenly matched cars), why is it so wrong to handicap some cars just to make the racing a little closer? For most, calling out a C6Z on bald-ass street tires versus a large turbo civic hatch on slicks is an obvious and understood admission that the C6Z is indeed the faster car. It is just that since the Civic driver wants to get a "good race" (close finish), he will request some handicaps in an attempt to get the race closer. If you don't agree with that type of racing, then decline it. If the Civic driver commences to shit-talking, thats when the ban-stick comes out. I was under the impression that this was the normal order, and I fail to see any problem with it?

As far as lying about how fast your car is, that won't fly either. This forum isn't setup for typing, it's setup for racing. Someone will QUICKLY find out if you have a 12 second car or not if you are posting in here (look at the Sinfix15 threads for example).

Oh, I agree that this is the internet and that anything can be found out about anyone at any time. However, if this subforum would like to keep an influx of interesting and new members into the mix, then I do not see how pw protecting it is going to help this. I think the trade-offs of being an exclusive forum, in order to weed out slower car will be somewhat of an inhibition to new members.

But if someone thinks that a 14 or 15 second car is a "race car," or something ANYONE gives a shit about seeing, then they probably don't have the mental capacity to have a decent conversation in the first place. It's not like it takes a lot of money or work to get a car into the 12's anyway, especially with what's available out there today.

Agreed. I am just in an argumentative mood
For the record, I do think that it is ridamndiculous for a "slow car" to talk shit. It annoys me greatly. I just don't think that forum exclusivity by way of pw-protection is the best way of doing it.
It is my belief that less traffic will lead to less entertainment, which will lead to less involvement. I agree that it will be more concentrated, but I think that in the long-run, it would not be a great move.

[Vteckidd]

I bet you wouldn't make that statement 2-3 months ago or whenever you lost your mod status. Anyways, continue on with your antics.

LOST my mod status? Better check again, i gave it up. I got rid of it because i was tired of all the people bitching to me about shit. It was easier for me to just say "fuck it " and let other people worry about it.

I was a KF mod long before you were even on this site.

Like it or not, i was here LONG before many of you, i think ive earned my right in this forum.

Ive seen the KF come and go. Why do you think Thackers site sucked? Cause too many egos, too many mouths, not enough action.

Its the same over here.

Smacked i dont know you, but some of your comments tend to portray this "little man syndrome" that you have. Like you gotta be a dick to anyone you post to.

Calling people names, making fun of slower cars, talking shit without backing it up, etc etc etc doesnt make a good mod in my opinion. You seem like you got a huge chip on your shoulder.

but then again i dont need MOD powers to have "power"

[Lankhoss]

This paragraph almost made me laugh my ass off. You got guys like Bstone who run their mouth more than ANYONE and have what, run 12s? ONCE? Where is his super duper 9 second S2000 at?

So he owns a stock C6 base model and thats considered more of a race car than my CRX or someone elses car?

Gimme a break seriously.

Most of the shit-talking douchebags arent confined to one group or another. Its the ones that are too scared to have their ego bruised by a loss.

Man theres no fucking rules, its STREET RACING. Ive run 400whp Hondas, SRT4s, V8 Turbos, Vettes, mustangs all kinds of cars with only 200-240whp in a FWD CRX.

This whole "you cant handicap a car " is such bullshit. Its excuses for people NOT TO RACE. Its shit that people can use to be like "OMG YOU ARENT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME"

Its all in fun, if you dont like the callout, decline, and move on. Simple as they, instead we have the "mods" and the bigger faster people talking all kinds of shit down to the lowly little guys like me because how dare i call out a faster car.

Lose the EGOs fellas, thats where it all starts

Do you get dumber everyday or something? Your arguments just deteriorate.

First off, yes.....Btstones STOCK Corvette is more of a racecar than your CRX. It's faster in a straight line and would beat the piss out of your car around a road course.

People don't care about their fucking EGO. That's what your dumbass doesn't get. YOU are the one with an ego, calling out cars that "have twice as much horsepower" so that you can feel better ABOUT YOURSELF if you beat it. Now WHY ON EARTH would someone waste their time to go race a slow car?

YOU are the problem. You have a claimed 14 second CRX, but think everyone's a big bully when they don't bring their 11 second cars out to race you, under the stupid ass terms you want them to. Get a faster car, race other 13 - 14 seconds cars, or just keep your fucking mouth shut.

You don't "get it" at all, yet you keep coming back to this forum with your wall of text trying to justify your ricer egotistical ways. If you want to race 11 and 12 second cars, then get one yourself and make a callout.

[Vteckidd]

HAHA i would take BSTONEs vette at a road course ANYDAY. Bring it :P

hows that for ego?

Nah you guys are just whiny ass bitches, plain and simple. Theres no law against calling out a faster car, and people do HANDICAPS ALL THE TIME. Ever watch PINKS? Ever been to the street races? People get cars, low boost, pump gas runs ALL THE TIME. The point is hanging out with people that are into cars and to get close runs setup or close to the same HP or close to the same advantages.

You guys are still bitching over TIRES like i told smacked he had to run without his blower LOL.

If you knew as much about cars as you like to act like you do, my terms were not rediculous.

Its not like i told him he had to handicap HP, he had to handicap traction. But instead of negotiating you guys resort to name calling from up on your high horse.

Guess what pal, ive been here long before any of you, suck my balls ill do whatever i want. I was out racing FRI, SAT and SUN night, where you?

[Lankhoss]

Ha ha Vteckkid, you are so clueless that it is actually hard to even talk with you.

You have NO IDEA why Thacker's site got shut down...none whatsoever. You listened to GOSSIP from people who DON'T LIKE THACKER and you take that as truth. Its-stock was EXTREMELY successful when it started, and is probably THE reason that a few of us have made some good friends on here (as in, we actually talk and hangout even if racing isn't involved).

I don't agree that the KF should be password-protected, but the reason this shit gets brought up is the people who ARE interested in racing are sick of the idiots with slower cars starting shit all the time.

Also, no matter WHAT meet you go to, it's usually the 120hp cars that are doing burnouts and stupid shit in the parking lot. I've seen my fair share of Corvettes and turbo cars do the same stuff, but it's pretty consistant which "group" of people do it on a normal basis. Has nothing to do with ego or thinking you're better than someone, people just want to meet up, discuss which speeds or distances the races are going to be under, and do it. Nobody wants to deal with some idiot banging his car off the rev limiter in the parking lot, and running around asking guys to gimp their cars so this person has someone to run against.

I can't believe someone is actually crying that the "elitists" don't want to fuck up their performance to make YOU happy.

And as far as me never getting out of the 12's, I've actually never gone to the track and not run an 11....ever. But I don't go out of my way to ask 9 second cars to cripple their cars so I can run them.

It's no wonder you have so much to say Vteckidd, you don't even have a clue as to what's going on....but have so much tenacity with giving your opinion on all the shit you are in the dark about. Maybe if you ACTUALLY knew what was going on, you would realize that these people aren't the snobbish pricks that you think they are.

But it's easier to remain stupid and lazy, and to hate, so stick with it!

[Lankhoss]

HAHA i would take BSTONEs vette at a road course ANYDAY. Bring it :P

hows that for ego?

Nah you guys are just whiny ass bitches, plain and simple. Theres no law against calling out a faster car, and people do HANDICAPS ALL THE TIME. Ever watch PINKS? Ever been to the street races? People get cars, low boost, pump gas runs ALL THE TIME. The point is hanging out with people that are into cars and to get close runs setup or close to the same HP or close to the same advantages.

You guys are still bitching over TIRES like i told smacked he had to run without his blower LOL.

If you knew as much about cars as you like to act like you do, my terms were not rediculous.

Its not like i told him he had to handicap HP, he had to handicap traction. But instead of negotiating you guys resort to name calling from up on your high horse.

Guess what pal, ive been here long before any of you, suck my balls ill do whatever i want. I was out racing FRI, SAT and SUN night, where you?

Ha ha ha, you are SO FUCKING STUPID!!

You think HORSEPOWER is the most important thing in a DRAG RACE!!! It's all about traction, but ricers like you can't grasp difficult concepts that have more than one variable to them. Are you only able to see black and white, as well?

I'm glad you were out racing this weekend, hope you had a good time. Does it matter? For the record, I was out Friday and Saturday night and raced both times. And guess what? I didn't ask anyone to cripple their car to race me, either.

[Vteckidd]

Congrats, you have a what $60,000-70,000 MSRP with bolt ons, AWESOME what a super duper race car. My CRX has $4500 in it. Do you know why?

Cause ive done the $20,000 into a $2000 car thing. Ive ran 11.0s, ive made 700whp, i got tired of it. I like spending money on other stuff. so ill sacrifice my cars performance ( i could easily go slap a turbo kit on my car for $2000 and make 450whp) for reliability and fun.

I mean seriously, i asked an 11 second car to run me, so FUCKING WHAT. GET PISSED OFF ABOUT TIRES? Take that shit somewhere else.

You took an already fast car, and added BOLT ONs. You are lucky to be able to afford that car and do the mods you have, but dont talk down to the guys with the slower cars because we cant all make 500-600 whp.

Actually most of the cars in this forum are mid 13s and faster. VERY few are 14-15 second cars. I know my car with slicks is a 12 second car easily, but ill prob never run those times because

A) im not a track driver never have been
B) i dont own slicks, dont plan to

Ill roll around on my 15in 205/50s Drag Radials, looking for some fun. You guys call me a ricer all you want, doesnt bother me, i just like the arguments. Makes the day go by faster

[§treet_§peed]

i like reading stuff in here even though all i have right now is a bike.

[Vteckidd]

Ha ha ha, you are SO FUCKING STUPID!!

You think HORSEPOWER is the most important thing in a DRAG RACE!!! It's all about traction, but ricers like you can't grasp difficult concepts that have more than one variable to them. Are you only able to see black and white, as well?

I'm glad you were out racing this weekend, hope you had a good time. Does it matter? For the record, I was out Friday and Saturday night and raced both times. And guess what? I didn't ask anyone to cripple their car to race me, either.

jesus christ go back to grammar school. NO FUCKING SHIT. I could have asked for 2 cars , or him to roll on street tires. I figured street tires was better option.

Congrats, i dont really care.

I dont usually call out faster cars, the point was (SINCE YOU KEEP MISSING IT) Was that smacked stuck his nose in when i was trying to run JASON. He called me a ricer and closed the thread.

I threw up a $100 bet with 1 handicap on him, again, ITS EASY MONEY and when i race LT1ULTRAZ you guys are going to laugh so god damn hard that this argument is RETARDED. My car is SLOW, smacked would have taken my money and bought you guys some tittys or drinks.

[Lankhoss]

When do I "talk down to" people with less than 500 horsepower? I don't give a shit what people drive.....I just get sick of people like you who want to be "involved" when your car performs 2 seconds slower than everyone else.

What's it matter what my car cost? You think the 70 grand is all about the motor and quarter mile time?

The more you type, the more RICE you bring into these threads. I mean, I know this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that some douche in a slow Honda starts throwing out the "how much we spent on our cars" argument. If you are perfectly happy with your car, then great...I've not once told you you shouldn't be. I chose my car for SEVERAL reasons, and I think the total package is worth well beyond what it cost. The quartermile times are not the reason I bought the car. Are you able to understand that?

[§treet_§peed]

I'm not trying to start shit. But, if I am correct, I remember when Smacked used to love talking shit then get his ass dragged down the road every time.

[Lankhoss]

jesus christ go back to grammar school. NO FUCKING SHIT. I could have asked for 2 cars , or him to roll on street tires. I figured street tires was better option.

Congrats, i dont really care.

I dont usually call out faster cars, the point was (SINCE YOU KEEP MISSING IT) Was that smacked stuck his nose in when i was trying to run JASON. He called me a ricer and closed the thread.

I threw up a $100 bet with 1 handicap on him, again, ITS EASY MONEY and when i race LT1ULTRAZ you guys are going to laugh so god damn hard that this argument is RETARDED. My car is SLOW, smacked would have taken my money and bought you guys some tittys or drinks.

Ha ha ha, him going to street tires would cost him a LOT more than 2 car lengths....that's what your dumbass doesn't get.

You are an instigator and a ricer.

[Lankhoss]

I'm not trying to start shit. But, if I am correct, I remember when Smacked used to love talking shit then get his ass dragged down the road every time.

Smacked called out cars that were in his realm of performance, and lost due to not being experienced in his car. That is COMPLETELY different than talking shit to guys who are KNOWN to be no less than a second faster in the quartermile, and asking them for some bullshit cripple so that you stand a better chance.

[Revmaynard]

Was that 350z he ran as fast as his car? I remember seeing him get dragged by that thing.

[§treet_§peed]

He has been dragged by a lot of things. **VIDEO** SMACKEDintheatl vs. ARFNSX

[Vteckidd]

Ha ha ha, him going to street tires would cost him a LOT more than 2 car lengths....that's what your dumbass doesn't get.

You are an instigator and a ricer.

Then you have no idea what you are talking about.

Its easy, we can find out, all it would take is 2 runs. Ive seen his car get DRAGGED by much slower cars than mine, so whats the big deal?

[JJSPEC Racing]

Lolz. This is great Labor Day entertainment!

[SmackedInATL]

Don't handicap his HP, handicap his traction, that way his HP means nothing! Absolutely nothing!!

Wow vteckidd, honestly, I don't give a fuck how long you've been around. Seems like you're still building the same ol' bullshit cars. All these years and you have nothing reputable to show for it.

[JJSPEC Racing]

I feel if you want to race me(or anyone else for that matter) you better be wearing your boots and be ready for the challenge, not ask me to take my game down 10 notches. I have built my setup to work together as a team and wont remove any of the key players just to race a slower car. I do have crappy passes, like the one I had against Evil Goat last Fri, but I would not ask him to dumb his set up down even though he is 7 tenths faster than me. That would be silly and disrespectful.

[SmackedInATL]

I feel if you want to race me(or anyone else for that matter) you better be wearing your boots and be ready for the challenge, not ask me to take my game down 10 notches. I have built my setup to work together as a team and wont remove any of the key players just to race a slower car. I do have crappy passes, like the one I had against Evil Goat last Fri, but I would not ask him to dumb his set up down even though he is 7 tenths faster than me. That would be silly and disrespectful.

Well you aren't a ricer so that would explain that mindset.

Now these other guys...well.........

[Vteckidd]

SMacked just set it up, i still hear all this talk i just wanted a run.

RIcer, ill show you ricer

[Lankhoss]

Then you have no idea what you are talking about.

Its easy, we can find out, all it would take is 2 runs. Ive seen his car get DRAGGED by much slower cars than mine, so whats the big deal?

LOL. Smacked would make up more than the 2 car lengths in his 60' alone going from street tires to slicks.

[Evil Goat]

I feel if you want to race me(or anyone else for that matter) you better be wearing your boots and be ready for the challenge, not ask me to take my game down 10 notches. I have built my setup to work together as a team and wont remove any of the key players just to race a slower car. I do have crappy passes, like the one I had against Evil Goat last Fri, but I would not ask him to dumb his set up down even though he is 7 tenths faster than me. That would be silly and disrespectful.

he's lying....he asked for 20 lengths because his vtec wasn't working

[chunky]

LMAO @ all this.

When I meet people in person, I never have issues. I typically don't have issues posting on the forums either b/c I check my EGO. Of course, EGO is a big part of the street racing culture, so guys like me will always be the exception. The drama and all that doesn't bother me. It's just a part of what happens when you have a bunch of ego driven car guys posting in the same space.

One thing that does bother me is the amount of shit being talked on 13-14s cars. It's a lot harder to get a stock honda that ran 16s off the showroom floor into the 13s than it is to buy a c6 and run 12s off the showroom floor. Who deserves more respect from the so called motor heads? Which guy is justified in having the ego? The guy that just happened to make enough money to buy an expensive car, but can't tell you a thing about degreeing cams or the guy who knows his motor inside and out b/c he had to work hard to get every last bit of HP out of it? I don't care how much money someone spent on a car, you can't buy knowledge & experience.

Consider the concept of built vs. bought. The douchebags that turn their noses up at a 13/14s honda are typically the ones that paid someone else to build their car. I know a lot of guys that have really fast 400-500hp cars, that BUILT their own cars that still have respect for the work that goes into making a honda motor make power.

So yeah, the guys sporting the huge egos driving fast cars that they know nothing about make me laugh. They brag about how fast their car is when really they had very little to do with how fast the car is. I have a lot more respect for the BUILT 13/14s hondas than I do for the bought C6s.

Before everyone jumps down my throat, I do fully recognize that many of the 500hp car owners did in fact build their own cars. However, look at the guys talking the most shit, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[chunky]

Ha ha ha, him going to street tires would cost him a LOT more than 2 car lengths....that's what your dumbass doesn't get.

You are an instigator and a ricer.

Honest question, if he doesn't run on street tires, how you KNOW the performance hit is going to be more than 2 lengths?

[Lankhoss]

Honest question, if he doesn't run on street tires, how you KNOW the performance hit is going to be more than 2 lengths?

On average, a tenth of a second in the QUARTERMILE is about a car length. Switching from street tires to slicks will save you a HALF SECOND in the 60' on average.

As I've said before, Smacked's street tires aren't even as good as the ones I use, so I'd guess that the defecit would be even bigger.

[Evil Goat]

It's a lot harder to get a stock honda that ran 16s off the showroom floor into the 13s than it is to buy a c6 and run 12s off the showroom floor.

didn't know it was that hard to do a gs-r swap

[JJSPEC Racing]

he's lying....he asked for 20 lengths because his vtec wasn't working

Just be glad my ecu said wtf? when I got into second gear good. It would have been roasted Goat if that was the next pass

[JJSPEC Racing]

didn't know it was that hard to do a gs-r swap

Or take a GS-R and do a D series swap

[Evil Goat]

Or take a GS-R and do a D series swap

true

[chunky]

On average, a tenth of a second in the QUARTERMILE is about a car length. Switching from street tires to slicks will save you a HALF SECOND in the 60' on average.

As I've said before, Smacked's street tires aren't even as good as the ones I use, so I'd guess that the defecit would be even bigger.

Really, there's no way to know unless he's got passes on slicks & street tires to compare. Some setups hook better on street tires than others. Some drivers can't extract the full potential of their slicks. Does he have slips to compare streets vs. slicks?

Sometimes the outcome is surprising. Once, I ran my car on 225/50/15 tires at the track and ran slower than I did on my 195/60/15 tires. The 225 tires were a stickier compound, wider, on lighter wheels, etc. So why did I run slower? The rules of thumb aren't absolutes. The only way to ever KNOW something is to have done it for yourself.

didn't know it was that hard to do a gs-r swap

Well it certainly requires more grease under your fingernails than popping down 40-50 large at the dealership.

[whatever210]

LMAO @ all this.

When I meet people in person, I never have issues. I typically don't have issues posting on the forums either b/c I check my EGO. Of course, EGO is a big part of the street racing culture, so guys like me will always be the exception. The drama and all that doesn't bother me. It's just a part of what happens when you have a bunch of ego driven car guys posting in the same space.

One thing that does bother me is the amount of shit being talked on 13-14s cars. It's a lot harder to get a stock honda that ran 16s off the showroom floor into the 13s than it is to buy a c6 and run 12s off the showroom floor. Who deserves more respect from the so called motor heads? Which guy is justified in having the ego? The guy that just happened to make enough money to buy an expensive car, but can't tell you a thing about degreeing cams or the guy who knows his motor inside and out b/c he had to work hard to get every last bit of HP out of it? I don't care how much money someone spent on a car, you can't buy knowledge & experience.

Consider the concept of built vs. bought. The douchebags that turn their noses up at a 13/14s honda are typically the ones that paid someone else to build their car. I know a lot of guys that have really fast 400-500hp cars, that BUILT their own cars that still have respect for the work that goes into making a honda motor make power.

So yeah, the guys sporting the huge egos driving fast cars that they know nothing about make me laugh. They brag about how fast their car is when really they had very little to do with how fast the car is. I have a lot more respect for the BUILT 13/14s hondas than I do for the bought C6s.

Before everyone jumps down my throat, I do fully recognize that many of the 500hp car owners did in fact build their own cars. However, look at the guys talking the most shit, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

wish i could have payed somewhere else to build my car if i had the money.

[Lankhoss]

LMAO @ all this.

When I meet people in person, I never have issues. I typically don't have issues posting on the forums either b/c I check my EGO. Of course, EGO is a big part of the street racing culture, so guys like me will always be the exception. The drama and all that doesn't bother me. It's just a part of what happens when you have a bunch of ego driven car guys posting in the same space.

One thing that does bother me is the amount of shit being talked on 13-14s cars. It's a lot harder to get a stock honda that ran 16s off the showroom floor into the 13s than it is to buy a c6 and run 12s off the showroom floor. Who deserves more respect from the so called motor heads? Which guy is justified in having the ego? The guy that just happened to make enough money to buy an expensive car, but can't tell you a thing about degreeing cams or the guy who knows his motor inside and out b/c he had to work hard to get every last bit of HP out of it? I don't care how much money someone spent on a car, you can't buy knowledge & experience.

Consider the concept of built vs. bought. The douchebags that turn their noses up at a 13/14s honda are typically the ones that paid someone else to build their car. I know a lot of guys that have really fast 400-500hp cars, that BUILT their own cars that still have respect for the work that goes into making a honda motor make power.

So yeah, the guys sporting the huge egos driving fast cars that they know nothing about make me laugh. They brag about how fast their car is when really they had very little to do with how fast the car is. I have a lot more respect for the BUILT 13/14s hondas than I do for the bought C6s.

Before everyone jumps down my throat, I do fully recognize that many of the 500hp car owners did in fact build their own cars. However, look at the guys talking the most shit, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

You see, here's the HUGE disparity.

The guys who build their 14 second cars are probably the ones that are more concerned than the guys who paid a lot for their cars. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about people not wanting to be bothered by slower cars who ask them to gimp their ride just to make the slower person happy.

I don't give a SHIT about my reputation or ego on the street. My car is not a defining characteristic of my persona. If someone "respects" a 15 second Honda more than my car, then good....everyone has different opinions. I know one thing that never crossed my mind when I bought my car was how it would affect my fucking street rep.

This is where it boils down to maturity. Anyone who thinks that the car they drive makes them more or less cool....or that their vehicle is what constitutes how much respect they deserve as a human being is completely delusional.

Now let me ask this. How often do you see 11 - 12 second cars going out of their way to call out 8 and 9 second cars, if they gimp themselves? I just don't ever see it. The only thing that comes close is you have a lot of people who use different setups, and sometimes people will ask for a motor or pump gas run.....but even then, those people often times don't use that stuff on the street all too often anyway (unless it's for money).

[Lankhoss]

So basically what this all boils down to......is the people who work on their cars hate the people with faster cars that don't work on them?

[NoRotor]

Now let me ask this. How often do you see 11 - 12 second cars going out of their way to call out 8 and 9 second cars, if they gimp themselves? I just don't ever see it. The only thing that comes close is you have a lot of people who use different setups, and sometimes people will ask for a motor or pump gas run.....but even then, those people often times don't use that stuff on the street all too often anyway (unless it's for money).

For the record, this "how often do you see ____" is not a relevent argument largely because there are so few 8 to 9 second street cars out there. I imagine in 10-15 years, when 8 to 9 second street cars are more common, you will see the "slower" 10-12 second cars doing the same thing. It's all about nipping at the faster guys to see how much you can bite off. You must not have had a whiney little brother always wanting to play tag-along.


Also, to the people that think "built-not-bought": don't tell me that I didn't work just as hard for my money, to spend it on my car, as you did underneath your econobox making it faster. Just because you chose to spend your time working on your car, and I chose to spend my time working on my career doesn't make my effort any less worthy of my own self-respect.
For the record: no, I did not buy my car from the Chezda dealership. I built it.

[btstone]

This paragraph almost made me laugh my ass off. You got guys like Bstone who run their mouth more than ANYONE and have what, run 12s? ONCE? Where is his super duper 9 second S2000 at?

So he owns a stock C6 base model and thats considered more of a race car than my CRX or someone elses car?

Gimme a break seriously.

Im giving you a break....you have no idea what my car has run. You, dear sir, are def in need of a "shut the fuck up"! i post the first time i went to the track and it was like two years ago and thats what you base my s2000 off of. Give me a fucking break. you have no idea what my car has done recently.
now, to my corvette c6 "base" (what ever the fuck that is). if you could own a c6 you would. you are so fast to point what car is "played out" or "lame" but you drive a fucking CRX. there is you problem. you dont fucking know that you are lame as fuck and no one thinks your cool. i have laid off of your fat ass for a while. but damn it son, you are in need of some truth.

to its-stock, that was one of the best sites i have been apart of. made osme great friends, and there were more good races set up off that site in 3 months than i have ever seen on this site period. so this is time for your 3rd "shut the fuck up" for you still have no idea what you are talking about.

stay in the politics section because agree with almost everything you say there, but in here you are a fucking idiot.

thank you

[chunky]

You see, here's the HUGE disparity.

The guys who build their 14 second cars are probably the ones that are more concerned than the guys who paid a lot for their cars. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about people not wanting to be bothered by slower cars who ask them to gimp their ride just to make the slower person happy.

I don't give a SHIT about my reputation or ego on the street. My car is not a defining characteristic of my persona. If someone "respects" a 15 second Honda more than my car, then good....everyone has different opinions. I know one thing that never crossed my mind when I bought my car was how it would affect my fucking street rep.

This is where it boils down to maturity. Anyone who thinks that the car they drive makes them more or less cool....or that their vehicle is what constitutes how much respect they deserve as a human being is completely delusional.

Now let me ask this. How often do you see 11 - 12 second cars going out of their way to call out 8 and 9 second cars, if they gimp themselves? I just don't ever see it. The only thing that comes close is you have a lot of people who use different setups, and sometimes people will ask for a motor or pump gas run.....but even then, those people often times don't use that stuff on the street all too often anyway (unless it's for money).

When I spoke of respect, I wasn't talking about street cred. I was talking about the fact that a car guy is a car guy whether he's building 9s cars or 15s cars and a douchebag is a douchebag whether he's driving a 9s car or a 15s car.

As far as 14s cars calling out faster cars, what's wrong with it? Why would someone get offended, especially if money is being offered to make it worth the person's time/money? There's no reason at all to get bent out of shape over that IMO. How does it make a person a ricer? It just means that they're willing to run and trying to make it worth the other person's time & money.

I see people making handicap races all the time. A roll race can be a handicap race if it's an AWD car vs. a RWD or FWD car. People frequently give up an advantage or two to run another car. Running off the bottle, running on low boost, running on street tires, starting in a higher gear, etc. 99% of the time, no one gets offended. They either do the run or they don't. It's only here on the KF that I see people making a big deal out of it.

Anyhow, getting bent out of shape over being called out by a slower car is more indicative of believing that the amount of respect you deserve as a human being is somehow tied to your vehicle. A challenge from a slower car should not be an affront to your personal dignity. Period.

[Vteckidd]

Bstone:

has your s2000 ever run faster than 12s with proof ? Has it run faster than 11s?

You talk an amazing amount if shit for a car that has barely ran. You proclaimed yourself the king of this forum and had not even ran anyone.

You have a c6 right? Non z06- base model . Right?

I could go buy one if I wanted it's a 25000$ car big whoop but I don't want the car payment I'd rather spend that money investing in my business

[chunky]

So basically what this all boils down to......is the people who work on their cars hate the people with faster cars that don't work on them?

Not at all. It just means that guys that didn't work on their cars have far less appreciation for what it takes to go fast.

For the record, this "how often do you see ____" is not a relevent argument largely because there are so few 8 to 9 second street cars out there. I imagine in 10-15 years, when 8 to 9 second street cars are more common, you will see the "slower" 10-12 second cars doing the same thing. It's all about nipping at the faster guys to see how much you can bite off. You must not have had a whiney little brother always wanting to play tag-along.


Also, to the people that think "built-not-bought": don't tell me that I didn't work just as hard for my money, to spend it on my car, as you did underneath your econobox making it faster. Just because you chose to spend your time working on your car, and I chose to spend my time working on my career doesn't make my effort any less worthy of my own self-respect.
For the record: no, I did not buy my car from the Chezda dealership. I built it.

I'm certainly not dragging down the folks that make money & buy fast cars. I'm just pointing out that there is a larger percentage of those folks that talk shit. Please don't misunderstand. Some of the people that bought their cars are cool as shit. They drive their cars, have fun, don't talk a ridiculous amount of shit.

[Lankhoss]

Norotor, maybe I should have changed the statement to low 10's and 9's. I don't know many people with 8 second cars, but 9's aren't all too uncommon anymore. I can think of 3 people off the top of my head that I know personally, and who either post on this site and/or show up to meets a lot, that are in the 9 or low 10 second area. This doesn't include the people that ARE out at meets, that I don't even know. And Btstone is the ONLY guy I know that even cares to call these guys out. I just personally haven't SEEN the interest in trying to gimp out a 1 - 2 second faster car so it'll run with someone's 11 or 12 second car.

I agree with you about the money thing. But I think it's funny that people in this thread are pointing the finger at people with more expensive cars. If you think about it, who do you think would have more pride in their car.....the guy who bought his from the dealership, or the guy who has been underneath his turning a wrench to it for the last 2 years to get it running the way he wants to? It makes sense that the person with more personal time and effort put into their car has more to "lose" in a race than the guy who just put down some money and has less knowledge of his own vehicle. In that sense, I think it's actually the slower guys who have more of a problem connecting their ego to their vehicle than the guys with more expensive cars.