This thread has turned ghey with a quickness. Bottom Line: thats one bad ass Bimmer
This thread has turned ghey with a quickness. Bottom Line: thats one bad ass Bimmer
MAN, IM GETTING TIRED OF U GETTING ALL BITCHY AT ME AND SHIT. I DIDT READ WHAT U WROTE ABOUT IT OR HE WOULDNT HAVE TO TELL ME BOUT IT BEING A STREET CAR NE WHERE OBVIOUSLY. EXCUSE ME FOR NOT READING UR ARTICLE FIRST BUT SERIOUSLY QUIT GOING OFF ON ME OVER STUPID SHIT. IM TRYING NOT TO BE AN ASSHOLE RIGHT NOW.Originally Posted by DinanM3atl
I AGREEThis thread has turned ghey with a quickness. Bottom Line: thats one bad ass Bimmer
I assume you are familar with all the laws in Sweden then.
Being street legal would make it a street car and its not a street car.
ill say this i wont go tick for tack on it but this m3 or for tha matter any m3 has yet to produce or come close to what the 2jz produces and accoplishes i could go on all day and name so many supras plus you go tot htink bang for buck it cost so much to build up a m3 or m5 to a standard of a 2jz equipped anything now you feel is boring but damn i think old school BMW's are boring and boxy looking only thing i like is the engine bay cause of cleaniness so id say your aruguement is not solid man. also the bmw is not street legal anywhere i would know i just left from being stationed in europe they got this thing called tufe "i might have spelled it wrong" and the polizie over there definitly wouldnt play the exhaust coming out the side my man trust me
Well then, I'm a little confused as to your statements then.
How come the "engine dyno" argument be in mix then? Whomever made it a point to say that it was the most powerful I6 to go on "engine dyno" as if it somehow is the pinacle of performance measurements. We all agree it gives you exact MOTOR power, but doesn't power to the GROUND matter more????
I'm not trying to start anything. I'm genuinely asking.
Besides, you have to also understand that you have to compare apples to apples. The BMW mentioned is far less restricted than professional sanctioned cars here. By a good bit I believe. Here there are weight requirements, displacement requirement, tire size requirements, chassis requirements, etc. I would like to see what the output would be if they were restricted to U.S. sanctioning rules and specs. Then it would be a more even comparison.
BTW, that car is badass regardless of how much HP it does or does not make. Very nice clean underhood install. Nice fabrication work. Impressive 1/4 mi numbers. Very very nice indeed.
i dunno.. i didnt make the engine dyno postWell then, I'm a little confused as to your statements then.
How come the "engine dyno" argument be in mix then? Whomever made it a point to say that it was the most powerful I6 to go on "engine dyno" as if it somehow is the pinacle of performance measurements. We all agree it gives you exact MOTOR power, but doesn't power to the GROUND matter more????
I'm not trying to start anything. I'm genuinely asking.
Besides, you have to also understand that you have to compare apples to apples. The BMW mentioned is far less restricted than professional sanctioned cars here. By a good bit I believe. Here there are weight requirements, displacement requirement, tire size requirements, chassis requirements, etc. I would like to see what the output would be if they were restricted to U.S. sanctioning rules and specs. Then it would be a more even comparison.
BTW, that car is badass regardless of how much HP it does or does not make. Very nice clean underhood install. Nice fabrication work. Impressive 1/4 mi numbers. Very very nice indeed.
that was my roommate
i just thinks its badass
/end thread
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2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
It is a badass car, no doubt.
Just remember that when you make a blanket statement, it will likely put some people on the offensive. Jesse wasn't even trying to be argumentative and you snapped at him pretty hard for no reason IMO. Just be cool about it and you'll likely get a better reception. Just FYI.
What kind of money does itt ake to make some numbers with a 2jz? I'm genuinly curious, I really have no idea, enver liked toyota anything personally, so, ya know, never cared to research. Can somebody give me a few ballpark figures, like, a few minor bolt-ons with a price, turbo with a price, and maybe crazy turbo with a price?
Just so you guys know, thats not an engine that EVER came in any M3. That engine is from an M5. Vidar Strand uses that engine because it's basically the most bulletproof engine BMW has ever built in recent years that insane power can be built from.
As for the engine dyno thing, idk, it was somethign I read about his eninges. I never meant to say that it was the absolute all-mighty most powerful engine ever, i just meant that not many people put an engine on an engine dyno, and get the true, exact output of the engine for proof. This is the most powerful engine he's built yet from the S38 family, I believe, and I think he's going to keep pushing the envelope. Only problem I forsee is hi running out of engines to build, lmfao. The S38 is slightly rare. there were about 1000 put into the M1 in 1979-1980, somewhere around there, then roughly 3k in the E28 M5, then not sure about the E34 M5.
Cost of buidling a 2JZ> "M" Anything
Availability of parts for a 2jz>"M" Anything
Supras are somewhat easy to get POWER out of, they do cost money, but its not too bad. with $9000-10,000(you do the labor) you can make 1200-1400 WHP, thats WHEEL HORSE POWER, not FLYWHEEL HORSE POWER.
HANDS DOWN the Supra motor is the BEST IMPORT MOTOR in terms of aftermarket support, reliability, power out put, availability of parts, ease to work on. They are simple motors, i put Turbo Daves Cylinder head together when he was busy , i had never touched a toyota before, but they ahd a similar layout to a honda head so it was easy.
they OWN all IMHO
still a nice BMW
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Sweet.
In sweden you don't need headlights to be street legal!
A little biased there, aren't we? and availability, as far as I know for ANYTHING turbo, is about the same, especially when your buying a kit or building yourself there, guy. That answers moot. Just shows your just as biased as others here. I'm trying not to be biased, I want a truthful statement of what it costs somebody to make x HP, be it at wheel or crank.
Then read my whole post, GO PRICE SHIT OUT.
go price Rods, Pistons, Bearings, Camshafts, valvetrain, Turbo, Turbo manifold, injectors, Intake manifold, Ported cylinder head, Engine managment
go price it all out, i bet its:
1) easier to find 2JZ parts
2) i bet they are somewhat cheaper
3) I bet they last longer LOL
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Umm. Your an idiot. Call up JE. I GUARENTEE their wont be more than a $50 difference in price of ANY set of their pistons, with the same amount of work done to them. And the same goes for any performance internals. Custom parts are custom parts, they all cost the same. Its materials and workmanship that your paying for by then, not a damn name. Talk about being on a high horse, christ. And since wheen does engine management costs differ from car to car? Aftermarket engine management is aftermarket engine management there, buddy. And with race aprts, I honestly beleive they all have the same lifespan, juts depends on purpose and how they are used. TCD puts turbo kits on old-school 80s 5 series with over 150k on them, for about $6k in parts, your getting about 350-375 to the wheels, great driveability, and a product thats now been proven to last another 100k mjiles on a base engine that started with over 150k miles WITHOUT a rebuild. GTFO with your useless baseless claims of lasting longer and superiority bullshit.
AND, btw, Im pretty sure I said I have no real experience with 2JZ's, so, umm, what wopuld pricing out some parts do for me, possibly give me a list of cool sounding parts with high or low price tags that I could have no earthly clue about weather any of them will work properly even together? Thats ignorant. Why not answer the question or STFU with your again, useless AND baseless claims? kthanxbye.
I don't know why you have to be so confrontational. If by your own admission you don't know anything about a 2jz, then why are you trying to compare it to anything?????
I know someone that has a 2jz stock block, stock crank, aftermarket pistons, aftermarket valvetrain, performance injectors, stock intake, Greddy Turbo, and I/C, that makes quite a bit of HP. It cost him probably less than $5k to do that. It's in a race car BTW. So it's beaten on week after week after week. That same round about setup lasted an entire racing season w/o a rebuild at all. Even ran nitrous thru it.
I know someone else that has a 2jz, with over 100K miles, T66, DPI nitrous, stock intake, stock crank, stock block, just pistons/valvetrain done that has a weak cylinder yet STILL runs in the 11's and is 100% street legal.
Point is that it is that not every 2jz that is built costs a ton of money to build. Some do, some don't. Maybe they do all their own work. Maybe they let a shop do the work. But it is very true that there are far more performance parts available for the 2jz than the E38 you guys are fighting about. Therefore, it would stand to reason that it is relatively easier and possibly less expensive to build that motor than it would be one where most everything is "custom" made.
Trust me, I know first hand. There aren't many things available on the shelves for a 1uzfe motor like mine here in the states.
why do i have to give YOU all the answers? i already know the answer, go do some research yourself.
I know guys that RaCE THEIR BMWS AND WE BUILD 2JZs. i know the cost, power, reliability factor already.
I have never seen a BMW make 750whp on a stock block, but i have a 2JZ here that does
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If you know so much, why cant you just spit out a few numbers then? It's retarted for me to try and do hours or even weeks of research in order fo rme to gain some knowledge about somethign I know I will never own. I"m just trying to do a comparison, and your the one being retarted, k?
hahahahah wow... this thread right here... did u watch the video?
STOCK BLOCK
the other thread with the 1025hp street m3....
STOCK BLOCK...
wow...
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
yeh for how long?
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...honda 4 lyfe!!!!
~leaves quickly~
Val RIP
ok first you say you have never seen it... but you responded in both post with stock block BMWs
now you want to know for how long...
Ask kendogg... people with M30 motors(e28 5 series) with 150K on the car... will boost 18 pounds daily and drive for another 100K with no rebuild...
You can boost a 100K BMW no problem and drive the piss out of it...
BMW uses cast iron blocks... same shit as the 2jZ i believe...
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
well i go by EXPERIEINCE, not what i see online.
In my experieince, i have NEVER seen a BMW roll through here or in ATL for that matter with a turbo an make 750whp
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they are around... they dont post on IA...
there is a silver one... it has over 600hp... its just like my car(same chassis and motor)
we are going to build Kendoggs E30 325... it should be able to get 400 no problem and thats not even a very good motor
another guy has about 400... thre are multiple supercharged ones... one has 435 supercharged
Another black one... i dont know his exact specs but he has over 500... Another guy has an e36 325 he has over 400...
Heres the thing with BMWs... most BMW drivers.. COULD GIVE TWO SHITS about racing down 85(which is lame) and drag racing... they want linear power to go fast in twisties...
1997 M3/4/5
2004 X4 4.4i
1987 325iS 24V 6speed
none of those are anywhere near 750whp
k thanks bye
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in my extensive time spent in the twisties i rarely see these BMW drivers around... the few i've seen are generally somewhere off the side of a mountain or buried in a gorge.
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for baller...
the only good BMW
HOLLY SHIT BTEC TURNS OFF HIS CAPS LOCKS!!!!!!!!!!
that is the only good one besides the m5.. and e30 m3for baller...
the only good BMW
i wasn't saying that based on the car.... look in the engine bay.
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8...
HMM that's not stock...
BTW.
Wasn't that drift BMW from a few months back making like insane power?
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