My Turbo BMW at Road Atlanta....

[RJ's325ITS]

They changed the track? So you haven't been on it since the gravity cavity and all?

Not bad times either, 1:30's is pretty quick though, or did you mean 1:30's in general not just 1:30.***

RA has gone thru many changes but I meet RA when 10a & 10b was there (2000), but I remember when the added the drift pad on 10b and then they added/move some walls between 2-4 and the esses.

I meant get into the 30s, but i have the power to deliver a 30 flat lap, it's just a matter of putting the power to the ground....

Umm Im hoping that was your first time?

Uh! can you elaborate?

Are you sitting real low in the seat?

what do you mean?

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BTW thanks for the other good comments guys......

[Elbow]

RA has gone thru many changes but I meet RA when 10a & 10b was there (2000), but I remember when the added the drift pad on 10b and then they added/move some walls between 2-4 and the esses.

I meant get into the 30s, but i have the power to deliver a 30 flat lap, it's just a matter of putting the power to the ground....

What are you talking about? 10A and 10B are there, the drift loop, the bike chicanes, and the walls being moved don't effect you...unless you run off into them. lol

2-4 they added walls? They moved the walls back in the esses.

Anyway about me asking about how low you sit it looks like your arms are bent up. You have the power to do a 1:30? Do you have the skill, the suspension, and the tires?

[matthewAPM]

What are you talking about? 10A and 10B are there, the drift loop, the bike chicanes, and the walls being moved don't effect you...unless you run off into them. lol

2-4 they added walls? They moved the walls back in the esses.

Anyway about me asking about how low you sit it looks like your arms are bent up. You have the power to do a 1:30? Do you have the skill, the suspension, and the tires?

Yeah, nothing has really changed. It may look a little different but thats it. Track is still the same.

[RJ's325ITS]

What are you talking about? 10A and 10B are there, the drift loop, the bike chicanes, and the walls being moved don't effect you...unless you run off into them. lol

2-4 they added walls? They moved the walls back in the esses.

Anyway about me asking about how low you sit it looks like your arms are bent up. You have the power to do a 1:30? Do you have the skill, the suspension, and the tires?

All I'm saying is that from a driver perspective, clearing of the land, moving contengency walls here and there, the bike's chicanes, creates a distraction or changes the perspective of the track....

I heard stories of driver that after a little remodeling of their home track, they add 1 or 2 seconds to their average lap times, novice driver have land marks for turn-in points, or trees in front of them for a blind turn, some others use objects on their peripheral vision like me; I hate the cones b/c they don't allow you to develop skills like that

He thinks he is a pro race car driver and giving you a hard time. Good videos

LOL, Okay I get it.....

The funny thing here is that there is a bunch of "pro" pay drivers out there, race teams some times can't say no to an extra $250,000 per season, so they let someone drive 1 of the 3 team's race cars.....

[Elbow]

All I'm saying is that from a driver perspective, clearing of the land, moving contengency walls here and there, the bike's chicanes, creates a distraction or changes the perspective of the track....

I heard stories of driver that after a little remodeling of their home track, they add 1 or 2 seconds to their average lap times, novice driver have land marks for turn-in points, or trees in front of them for a blind turn, some others use objects on their peripheral vision like me; I hate the cones b/c they don't allow you to develop skills like that



LOL, Okay I get it.....

The funny thing here is that there is a bunch of "pro" pay drivers out there, race teams some times can't say no to an extra $250,000 per season, so they let someone drive 1 of the 3 team's race cars.....

What cones? Like the turn in and apex cones clubs put out there? You can still easily pick turn in points and such. lol The driver point of view did change some but I honestly don't really notice it. I thought I would and the first time I went out after they did some work I never even noticed it, except for turn 11-12 feeling not even remotely scary anymore.

The funny thing is you don't know what you're talking about. MOST drivers PAY to race, that's how it works, they will gain some income through results and driver sponsors but even some F1 drivers pay to race. You can't just bring money to a team and they accept you, have you tried? It usually required a test day or a few with other drivers and they make a selection. Do you know how many drivers are actually PAID to race? Not that many. Even a LOT of ALMS and Grand Am drivers PAY.

No offense but you're not making yourself look too knowledgeable about this.

[RJ's325ITS]

The funny thing is you don't know what you're talking about. MOST drivers PAY to race, that's how it works, they will gain some income through results and driver sponsors but even some F1 drivers pay to race. You can't just bring money to a team and they accept you, have you tried? It usually required a test day or a few with other drivers and they make a selection. Do you know how many drivers are actually PAID to race? Not that many. Even a LOT of ALMS and Grand Am drivers PAY.

No offense but you're not making yourself look too knowledgeable about this.

This is the black book of racing so I don't want to go follow you into your rabbit hole... I will clarified a couple of things b4 I leave this alone.

Not because you have tons of money, you can go in and buy a seat...
when those seats become available the teams already have a couple of millionaires in mind, and send out invitations for the "audition" or it's just word of mouth.
You have to be able to meet the race team minimum lap times.
You will never make money out of such a deal as buying a seat in a race team, sponsors income will go only to the team...

Also some times they don't sell the seat, they sell a spot..... In this case you have access to the facilities, fabricators, discounts from parts providers, access to all the development crew, BUT you have to pay out of pocket for your car on top of the buy in for your spot/seat.... So the good thing and bad thing about this is that you own your car, but most of the stuff in your car is proprietary to the Race Team......

So why do race team sell seats/spots????

All comes down to how fast you want to be, and how much money is at hand to get there; sometimes going from 1 to 2 cars in the same race brings 50% more income from the sponsors alone (double exposure, double the chances of podium), and the buy in money for said driver can go to development, it usually ends up there any ways, Why? because usually these pay drivers are a couple of seconds slower that your pro-driver, so you end up investing it into data acquisition system, 1 hire developer driver (to test and teach the pay driver) & 1 engineer (to make sense of all the data and make the car go fast).

In the last company I work for the CEO was a baja driver in his early years, and we had long chats about this subject..... He did his first season as a pay driver, but once he did the numbers he started his own team with his own truck and hire a co-pilot for his second season..... after everything was said and done at the end of the season he broke even, but at least had something to develop, something to show up for....

So Simmon I know a thing or 2 about Motorsports, My family had the Escuderia Torres before you and I were even born, and I've been around the sports here is the U.S.A..... So let's leave this at that, and stop trolling my thread and everyone's thread.

[Elbow]

This is the black book of racing so I don't want to go follow you into your rabbit hole... I will clarified a couple of things b4 I leave this alone.

Not because you have tons of money, you can go in and buy a seat...
when those seats become available the teams already have a couple of millionaires in mind, and send out invitations for the "audition" or it's just word of mouth.
You have to be able to meet the race team minimum lap times.
You will never make money out of such a deal as buying a seat in a race team, sponsors income will go only to the team...

Also some times they don't sell the seat, they sell a spot..... In this case you have access to the facilities, fabricators, discounts from parts providers, access to all the development crew, BUT you have to pay out of pocket for your car on top of the buy in for your spot/seat.... So the good thing and bad thing about this is that you own your car, but most of the stuff in your car is proprietary to the Race Team......

So why do race team sell seats/spots????

All comes down to how fast you want to be, and how much money is at hand to get there; sometimes going from 1 to 2 cars in the same race brings 50% more income from the sponsors alone (double exposure, double the chances of podium), and the buy in money for said driver can go to development, it usually ends up there any ways, Why? because usually these pay drivers are a couple of seconds slower that your pro-driver, so you end up investing it into data acquisition system, 1 hire developer driver (to test and teach the pay driver) & 1 engineer (to make sense of all the data and make the car go fast).

In the last company I work for the CEO was a baja driver in his early years, and we had long chats about this subject..... He did his first season as a pay driver, but once he did the numbers he started his own team with his own truck and hire a co-pilot for his second season..... after everything was said and done at the end of the season he broke even, but at least had something to develop, something to show up for....

So Simmon I know a thing or 2 about Motorsports, My family had the Escuderia Torres before you and I were even born, and I've been around the sports here is the U.S.A..... So let's leave this at that, and stop trolling my thread and everyone's thread.

I'm not trolling your thread I'm correcting you. I've been racing since I was five and have been in the sport ever since. I've had my share of race invitations and have had great free opportunities as well (not races). To even get to the point where you will be paid, you WILL pay to race for someone. Unless you're one of a million kids like Lewis Hamilton or someone and have Mercedes behind you from the vagina you will pay to race as you move up, ask any professional driver.

You're mixing up flat out gentlemen drivers and drivers paying to move up. I guess everyone in the TDI Cup is a joke since they have to pay to race those cars. Teams don't get millionaires in mind to drive for them, they look for funded drivers with skill. I'm FAR from even being slightly wealthy or even really stable and I've had plenty of offers. So that comment goes out the window.

In these cases you CAN make money, if you bring along a driver sponsor the money goes to you, in turn you may spend it to the team but you can make money from it.

If you look at a series like Ferrari Challenge THEN you can put your mentality into play. Most are extremely wealthy older millionares with nothing better to do, teams pamper them and treat them like Schumacher in return for WELL over $50,000 a weekend.

If you look at ALMS, Grand Am, F3, etc. MANY of those drivers PAY to race there and still make money off of it. They bring a large sponsor, use that money to buy their seat, and don't really lose much out of their REAL pocket. You're really not seeing this at all. Do some research and find how many drivers are true paid drivers. Obviously big names are but many are not.

So no, I'm not trolling your thread like I said, I am correcting you because you really don't know much about how the sport works from what you just said. Not even many teams can afford to PAY drivers to race for them without factory support. This IS how racing works. You can't just say "it's funny he pays to race" that doesn't mean someone is a bad driver or lacks skill, that means he's your typical racing driver.

[Slomaro Z28]

Umm Im hoping that was your first time?

Uh! can you elaborate?

He thinks he is a pro race car driver and giving you a hard time. Good videos