lt1 is too busy trying to call out other cars to race the ones already lined up?
lt1 is too busy trying to call out other cars to race the ones already lined up?
Ive never been to a roadcourse with a car. Ive run several autocrosses. Ive also been to the dragstrip countless times.Originally Posted by Fast Shadow
Ive also been to roadrace school, and I go to the track with my motorcycle though.
Once again, what difference does that make? I can see youre going to try to gear-up for some more irrelevant comments...
The reality is that a strong, high revving small engines can effectively make as much power as you could ever need. There are 1500+ whp and 900+ lb/ft torque +/- 3 liter daily driven supras out there...do you think they need "more power" on the street? No.
I guess by your philosophy, F1 should switch over to big blocks LOL Yeah, because they dont have much low-end torque.
Dont confound the arguement. Yes, I agree and average person with an average car could probably be faster most of the time with more displacement, if all else was the same. Im not talking about average people.
I guess its all irrelevant...you build what you need to build to be comfortable. Thats why we have different types of setups :
i really think you're mistaking "street legal" for "daily driven".... but this whole thread is well beyond being relevant anymore.
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/g.../video/967.wmv
daily driven. and can still and has been road coursed.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
lol...i am goin to race lightspeed for fun..i know whats doen this his supra, and if he comes out on race gas then i might as well give him the money....if he wants to run me on pump, then ill bet money....btw ill be on pump gas myself
as far as you...please quit tryin to line up races for people....why dont u set up some races with our own car instead of runing your cocksucker about other people's cars?
id like to see a proof for a 1500 daily driven supra...i am guessing it is slower than a 4 cylinder camry around town and runs on C16...i would hardly called that a daily driver lol........most FI v8 make around 400rwhp NA so we are not sacrificing any drivability, unlike import 4 and 6 cylinders…Btw whats the highest hp supra on straight 93 pump gas……I’m guessing not much over 600rwhpIve never been to a roadcourse with a car. Ive run several autocrosses. Ive also been to the dragstrip countless times.
Ive also been to roadrace school, and I go to the track with my motorcycle though.
Once again, what difference does that make? I can see youre going to try to gear-up for some more irrelevant comments...
The reality is that a strong, high revving small engines can effectively make as much power as you could ever need. There are 1500+ whp and 900+ lb/ft torque +/- 3 liter daily driven supras out there...do you think they need "more power" on the street? No.
I guess by your philosophy, F1 should switch over to big blocks LOL Yeah, because they dont have much low-end torque.
Dont confound the arguement. Yes, I agree and average person with an average car could probably be faster most of the time with more displacement, if all else was the same. Im not talking about average people.
I guess its all irrelevant...you build what you need to build to be comfortable. Thats why we have different types of setups :
"The reality is that a strong, high revving small engines can effectively make as much power as you could ever need. There are 1500+ whp and 900+ lb/ft torque +/- 3 liter daily driven supras out there..."
Spraying your supra on the dyno and blowing it up in one or two dyno's to get 1600rwhp doesn't not count as a 1600rwhp daily driverBecause that's exactly what Marko did.
And most people don't race their 1600rwhp car on the street.. they drive it for bragging rights.. Let's be honest.. if 1500rwhp was enough.. 500 was enough.. and for that matter 300 was enough.
It's simple.. 2 formula motors linked together would make more power than 1
Not to say that I wouldn't build a 4 cylinder.. if I had a 4cylinder car and wanted to go just a little faster.. I would definately beef it up.. but the idea is that we aren't rednecks because we like more displacement.. and that's been brought up a few times.
Peace,
Josh
Marko and Ryan Woon come to mind immediately. Both of them drive their cars hundreds of miles for events and drive home. And both of them run 8's. Both are full weight with a/c, stereo, IRS, etc etc. There are others like Ken Henderson, Saad Saad and others that make 1300+ in street cars.
Its also irrelevant if they run c16. Running on c16 doesnt make it not a street car.
Both of the cars would make 600+ on pump. The highest pump #'s Ive seen without meth are mid 600's.
If youre scared of race gas, you could run meth on these cars with pump and make 1000+ whp, no problem.
Even at 1000 hp, thats more power than you can effectively use on the street.
And drivability isnt that big of an issue. Even if they are peakier than other cars, it doesnt matter, if the driver doesnt mind.
We are definately getting into semantics here now. Street car/daily driven...whatever. They are still street legal cars with full ammenities.
Im done posting here now...we are going in circles.
EDIT...I need to respond to this that came in before I posted
I dont know of Marko blowing up an engine, but its very possible. Marko made 1520 whp reliably with the same setup for a long time.Spraying your supra on the dyno and blowing it up in one or two dyno's to get 1600rwhp doesn't not count as a 1600rwhp daily driver
And its not like plenty of people havent blown up v8's...please. Marko made 500 hp per liter... Thats a shitload for anything. Countless v8's have failed at far less. As a matter of fact, I even doubt there is a v8 street car that has EVER made that specific power output
Anyway, Im out after this.
Last edited by lightspeed; 11-22-2006 at 03:21 PM.
even though i own a supra ill say im not the most knowledgable one on them but what lightspeed said is very correct i know that lil bit, but he is right this is going in circles lets make a decision people and move on with this thread. Props to lightspeed for good info and respectfully presenting it
well all i know is it should be a good run hey lt1 maybe you should watch this vid of this procharger z06 running a 600whp evo don't think it will be quite as easy as you think.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zkYMy4c5ZY
Yes.. you are correct.. we are going in circles.. we both agree displacement rules. 2 supra motors stuck together in a v12 configuration would have the advantage over 1. Faster spool, more torque, more overall ability to make power (500hp/l * 6 liters?) heck of alot more. But it wouldn't really be necessary if your goal wasn't to make as much power as easy as possible.
We don't HAVE to get 500 hp/l, altho there are v8's out there making just as much that could technically be considered streetable.. if a 2500-3000hp car can be considered streetable
Which is why you won't see many 6-7 sec street cars.. altho I've heard rumors of a few 7 second ones being out there.
I tend to agree if your goal is just to run mid 11's, you can do it in any platform.. even a pinto, albeit it may not be as easy as.. a stall convertor, drag radials, and a 150
shot.. or a pulley/tune/catback and drag radials.
But if you plan to eventually run 9's in a street car.. then I think we can both agree that a 1.8l probably isn't going to be your easiest route.. and likely not a 2.0 or 2.2.. not to say it isn't possible.. but any number of more cubic inches is only gonna make it easier.. hell a 500 cubic inch motor only making 95hp/l could do it on pump gason motor no problem in a 3000-3300lb car.. much less nitrous or forced induction.
I'm not really trying to argue.. that the v8's are the best setup ever.. although I do favor it, simply due to the amount of displacement possible. I'm more arguing, that just because I like MORE power, does not make me white trash redneck imbred sister fucker.. No matter how many names you can spout.. you will always have to remember one simple thing.. and that is displacement is king..
I to, am done rambling.. just killing time til the race
Peace,
Josh
Last edited by distortion69; 11-22-2006 at 05:24 PM.
I'm way too lazy to read all the crap that every one wrote. But I did see something about a F1 car running 9s in here earlier. Here is a video of it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+vs+bike&hl=en
I didn't know Nick made this callout so everyone and their mom can talk about other people's cars...
oh wait... that's not the purpose of this thread...
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you know i mentioned that and go straight blown off but oh well maybe they will realize unessasary side bar talk aint needed to run your ride or have fun
the callout was answered several pages ago.. what more do you want than that
cool vid
cool video
I read several times in here were it says a big cubed V8 motors can't run low 7's and be on the street. Here is a perfect example of how reliable and fast they can be ON THE STREET.ENJOY
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/6...0a00f132ff.htm
who really cares? I mean damn, if you can make a car faster you should do it. If I had only a ford taurus to mod i would do it because its awesome to take a car and modify it. The car becomes unique and its yours then. So I say keep on racing and keep on fixing shit up and just pray to God that they keep producing combustion engines.
Tight-ass video.
ill take 2
Fuck the V8 and the I4 .....Inline 6 is still the best engine :P
2 buses in front of u...... UNTOUCHABLE
back when i was making dig call outs non of you bitches were around, well my STi isnt running shit and the 350z isnt either, i have plans for both but unfortunately neither one will be done soonlol...i am goin to race lightspeed for fun..i know whats doen this his supra, and if he comes out on race gas then i might as well give him the money....if he wants to run me on pump, then ill bet money....btw ill be on pump gas myself
as far as you...please quit tryin to line up races for people....why dont u set up some races with our own car instead of runing your cocksucker about other people's cars?
i completely agree with you, i hate when people who dont run talk shit. however this is different, why you might ask?.. well you carry your own little cock rodeo into every thread you are in, thacker/distortion/ and others.. they talk shit for you.. so im talking shit for my friend lightspeed, you're gonna grow the balls and come out or what the fuck. come on out to gwinnett tonight, several other cars will be out here, lets see what happens stop being a pussy. (check out ct9agsr's thread)
2 / 3 = 0.666
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