2001 trans am vs 2010 camero

[blake06gto]

I thought rs4 new ran around the 80 mark? But I will agree with its badassness lol. I love the Rs4

[T.S.]

The convertibles do but you can get an rs4 for right at 65k. Dont know that I would pay that much for that car, would rather have an 2003 RS6 instead I think. Which is the 4.2l with twin turbo's. =) And you can pick those up for about 30-40k right now. But they were in the 80's new.

[georgiasmurf]

yeah there a great car i would love to have one in the future

[ct9a gsr]

hell not my fault that he wanted to give me the car i had money to buy it but he wouldent let me

You've completely missed my point... 100%. It's not the fact that daddy gave you a car to race around in... it's the fact that you dare talk shit about how much money someone else spent on their car after the fact that you were given a car by daddy for free. I'm not sure if you can't put 2 + 2 together or simply don't know what irony means...

BTW, trying to make up bank account numbers and such won't impress anyone here.

[Slomaro Z28]

You've completely missed my point... 100%. It's not the fact that daddy gave you a car to race around in... it's the fact that you dare talk shit about how much money someone else spent on their car after the fact that you were given a car by daddy for free. I'm not sure if you can't put 2 + 2 together or simply don't know what irony means...

BTW, trying to make up bank account numbers and such won't impress anyone here.

What he is saying.....is we could give 2 shits if you were given the car or not (he isn't giving you shit for getting a free car), but you should keep your thoughts to yourself as to how someone else spends THEIR money.

[Slomaro Z28]

Lets go for May 28th @ Commerce.

[georgiasmurf]

well dam im srry i miss understood him i was just saying an opinon so im srry

[Slomaro Z28]

well dam im srry i miss understood him i was just saying an opinon so im srry

Don't worry, you'll learn fast here.

[onebadgt]

stock ws6 and havnt lost a race yet? maybe you should stop racing v6s then lol

[blake06gto]

Lets go for May 28th @ Commerce.

i cant guarantee ill still be stock by then... we'll see though.

[georgiasmurf]

and by the way guys im not ragging on camaro's hell we have two of them ourselfs and i love them

[Slomaro Z28]

i cant guarantee ill still be stock by then... we'll see though.

That's fine, I am expecting 13's on street tires and low boost......we'll see. I'm sure I have plenty enough for the WS6 though and probably your SS from a roll ()

[blake06gto]

That's fine, I am expecting 13's on street tires and low boost......we'll see. I'm sure I have plenty enough for the WS6 though and probably your SS from a roll ()

[T.S.]

That's fine, I am expecting 13's on street tires and low boost......we'll see. I'm sure I have plenty enough for the WS6 though and probably your SS from a roll ()

Depends what he does to it.. LOL those motors respond retarded well to mods.. =) best of luck either way though!

[blake06gto]

Cai headers exhaust and cam is what I'm gunning for. Avg power with the mods is 450-470whp from what I've seen.

[Slomaro Z28]

I was referring to the SS being stock, when I said I might take it from a roll.

[REV.olution]

This is funny. pissing contest over street racing. I like the Commerce idea, I may be down.

[DieselNuts]

Cai headers exhaust and cam is what I'm gunning for. Avg power with the mods is 450-470whp from what I've seen.

My cousin's '10 SS made 403hp/410tq with JUST American Racing Headers, cat delete and tune. With an aggressive enough cam and decked heads, I have no doubts that 500rwhp is attainable. Blake, do you do your work yourself or do you go to a shop?

[DieselNuts]

I went back through this thread and saw some misinformation that needs to be cleared up. I work part time in an LSX based shop so I figured I'd drop some knowledge for a second...

01-02 WS6 had favorable gear ratios available (3.73 rear option) and decent factory ram air CAI and exhaust. 01-02 was also the best year for the ls1, with the move favorable cam specs and head flow numbers. They were also, however, the heaviest of all the 4th gen 4bodies fully optioned. IMO they're the best looking of all the 4th gens, and the anniversary TA is especially nice in blue and white.

There was never a "3:73" option for F-bodies. Autos with a steel driveshaft got 2:73's, Autos with an alum driveshaft and/or "performance axle ratio" option got 3:23's, and ALL 6 speed cars got a 3:42. There is no such thing as a factory installed 3:73 geared car in a regular LS1 powered F-body. You are correct on the 01-02's being the best years, but everything else is incorrect. 01-02 cars actually got a SMALLER cam than the previous years to compensate for intake charge due to lack of the EGR valve. They came with 241 casting cylinder heads, that flow the exact same as all the other years. There's no such thing as "extra flow" from 01-02 cars. Furthermore, ALL 98-02 cars weigh within a certain range of each other. The Trans Ams weigh about 150lbs (on average) more than the Camaro's due to the heavier lumbar seats and pop up headlights, but there's no significance in weight difference from year to year.

yeah I agree with you there,I think the GTO got the best LS1 if Im not mistaken.

LS1 GTO's got the same exact engine that 01-02 F-bodies got. Absolutely nothing is different, except the PCM controlling the engine.

No. The first year GTO had a slightly more aggressive cam grind and a better intake/exhaust/manifolds then the f-bodies. The corvette actually had the most aggressive cam (borderline insignificant difference) and the best manifolds of all the ls1 cars.

No. Again, the cam is not "more aggressive" at all. 01-02 Fbody/04 GTO cams actually have less total duration than previous years, making it less aggressive.

[blake06gto]

My cousin's '10 SS made 403hp/410tq with JUST American Racing Headers, cat delete and tune. With an aggressive enough cam and decked heads, I have no doubts that 500rwhp is attainable. Blake, do you do your work yourself or do you go to a shop?

for just the bolt ons.. i can do myself. Ive never done a cam install but have a few people that are willing to help me out cause i want to be able to do it on my own. tuning... i leave to the shops.

[DieselNuts]

for just the bolt ons.. i can do myself. Ive never done a cam install but have a few people that are willing to help me out cause i want to be able to do it on my own. tuning... i leave to the shops.

That's cool. My tuner know's his shit and only charges $50/hr + the initial credit to purchase the rights to the VIN which is typically $100 depending on the vehicle. His install prices are also about half of what the big shops charge but i'm willing to bet that he pays more attention to detail and does better quality work than said big shops. I would also be willing to bet that his knowledge on the LSX platforms surpasses that of the big shops. His name is Josh and he can be reached on LS1Tech.com (screen name Damian) or I can PM you his phone number. Let me know if you're interested.

[blake06gto]

go ahead and pm his number over. i had already considered him to tune it cause he did a nice job on eric's g8.

[On_Her_Face]

Then On_Her_Face pulls up, rapes both.

Sick race.

[T.S.]

Then On_Her_Face pulls up, rapes both.

Sick race.

[Mantooth]

lol.

[DieselNuts]

lol.

The quote in your sig is epic

[On_Her_Face]

Lies you know I'm not gay.

[Mantooth]

The quote in your sig is epic

[georgiasmurf]

how is everyone doing

[Mantooth]

how is everyone doing

Bored, wanting to race something, and wanting people to believe mah killz stories.

[georgiasmurf]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww im srry its ok i belive you lol

[Mantooth]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww im srry its ok i belive you lol

Thx, bby.

P.S., no homo.

[Dietcoke]

I went back through this thread and saw some misinformation that needs to be cleared up. I work part time in an LSX based shop so I figured I'd drop some knowledge for a second...

There was never a "3:73" option for F-bodies. Autos with a steel driveshaft got 2:73's, Autos with an alum driveshaft and/or "performance axle ratio" option got 3:23's, and ALL 6 speed cars got a 3:42. There is no such thing as a factory installed 3:73 geared car in a regular LS1 powered F-body. You are correct on the 01-02's being the best years, but everything else is incorrect. 01-02 cars actually got a SMALLER cam than the previous years to compensate for intake charge due to lack of the EGR valve. They came with 241 casting cylinder heads, that flow the exact same as all the other years. There's no such thing as "extra flow" from 01-02 cars. Furthermore, ALL 98-02 cars weigh within a certain range of each other. The Trans Ams weigh about 150lbs (on average) more than the Camaro's due to the heavier lumbar seats and pop up headlights, but there's no significance in weight difference from year to year.

LS1 GTO's got the same exact engine that 01-02 F-bodies got. Absolutely nothing is different, except the PCM controlling the engine.



No. Again, the cam is not "more aggressive" at all. 01-02 Fbody/04 GTO cams actually have less total duration than previous years, making it less aggressive.

The 241 heads are superior castings.
The 01-02 cam DOES have slightly less duration and lower total lift numbers, but its also ground with a more aggressive ramp profile, has more advance, and significanly less overlap (around four degrees difference).
The overlap change was what allowed for removal of the EGR, not the duration change.

You're right on the gears. Big oversight on my part.

[Spartinja]

The 241 heads are superior castings.

In what way???

I have flowed 853's, 806's, and 241's all side by side on a bench. There is about a 3cfm difference between all of them.

[Dietcoke]

The 241s have slight more 'meat' to work with is what my head porter told me (Lloyd Elliot), even though they all have roughly the same numbers out of the box. On a piggy bank budget, they'd be the best heads to have ported if you couldnt snag a decent set of LS6 heads (243)

[Cameron.]

op i got a 6 cylinder i promise you wont beat, but it wouldnt be a fair race. hahah..

[Spartinja]

That being said, I've got a set of 241 castings for sale if anybody needs a set.

[Evil Goat]

Well no punctuation, and the cognitive and spelling ability of a first grader doesn't really lean to being well-understood.

i've noticed you're a whiny bitch about everything.....just sayin'

lsx motors with heads and a cam are nasty cars. they love the giggle gas too.

over 100 passes on 150w with this stock bottom end and not one single problem....200 goes in maybe sometime this week since the teg went boom last night

[Donati03gt]

r6 > ws6

[Dietcoke]

i've noticed you're a whiny bitch about everything.....just sayin'



over 100 passes on 150w with this stock bottom end and not one single problem....200 goes in maybe sometime this week since the teg went boom last night

Your tears are delicious. When I get back to the states Julyish lets run em. Should be entertaining. Goat runs high 10s right?