Callout: Who ever aint a bitch

[BABY J]

The only prob I see w/ roll-races is that it takes the driver out of the mix a lot of times. I don't want to race your car - I want to run YOU while you are in your car so I like the dig. On the flip-side, rolls are "quick-setup" type of runs where if fuzz shows up you never stop moving... and you can say that you weren't racing and don't know the other driver. Building a car that doesn't leave from the dig on the street is not an "excuse" to only run from the roll. Why do I say this, b/c I know guys that are TRUE street-racers (IMO) and can make 500+ whp damn near dead hook and proceed to roll out on your ass. These guys are a dying breed. On the flip side, cars that can leave hard from the dig on the street usually aren't very impressive on a prepped surface. You gotta pick your poison... I know some street guys that will NOT meet you at the track just for this reason... they've figured out how to set a car up for unprepped surfaces and don't want to change it up just to prove a point at the track.

Silly thread though - but I think that was by design.

[whatever210]

The only prob I see w/ roll-races is that it takes the driver out of the mix a lot of times. I don't want to race your car - I want to run YOU while you are in your car so I like the dig. On the flip-side, rolls are "quick-setup" type of runs where if fuzz shows up you never stop moving... and you can say that you weren't racing and don't know the other driver. Building a car that doesn't leave from the dig on the street is not an "excuse" to only run from the roll. Why do I say this, b/c I know guys that are TRUE street-racers (IMO) and can make 500+ whp damn near dead hook and proceed to roll out on your ass. These guys are a dying breed. On the flip side, cars that can leave hard from the dig on the street usually aren't very impressive on a prepped surface. You gotta pick your poison... I know some street guys that will NOT meet you at the track just for this reason.

Silly thread though - but I think that was by design.

when i go from a dig i break shit tho....that point was proven friday so thats why i dont do dig runs.

[BABY J]

when i go from a dig i break shit tho....that point was proven friday so thats why i dont do dig runs.

Oh I TOTALLY understand preserving your car - but that is not the other racers problem - LOL. There are just as many guys who don't break shit w/ high TQ cars from the dig. But I understand your point.

[Lankhoss]

Oh I TOTALLY understand preserving your car - but that is not the other racers problem - LOL. There are just as many guys who don't break shit w/ high TQ cars from the dig. But I understand your point.

If they've put the money into buying components that are much stronger from a dig they won't. There's hardly a car out there that has a tranny, clutch, and rearend than can handle many hard launches. Also, most cars are IRS nowadays and those are awful for trying to launch from a dig.

[tdurr]

The only prob I see w/ roll-races is that it takes the driver out of the mix a lot of times. I don't want to race your car - I want to run YOU while you are in your car so I like the dig. On the flip-side, rolls are "quick-setup" type of runs where if fuzz shows up you never stop moving... and you can say that you weren't racing and don't know the other driver. Building a car that doesn't leave from the dig on the street is not an "excuse" to only run from the roll. Why do I say this, b/c I know guys that are TRUE street-racers (IMO) and can make 500+ whp damn near dead hook and proceed to roll out on your ass. These guys are a dying breed. On the flip side, cars that can leave hard from the dig on the street usually aren't very impressive on a prepped surface. You gotta pick your poison... I know some street guys that will NOT meet you at the track just for this reason... they've figured out how to set a car up for unprepped surfaces and don't want to change it up just to prove a point at the track.

Silly thread though - but I think that was by design.

kinda. I just wanted to see wut the "top dogs" would do. if they were bitch made or not haha.

But really u do have some good points. I can say that i dont know how to launch my car on the current set up. WHy? cuz tires suck dick. it would be a waist of time imo to learn wit these tires. my launch point would be lik 2k if that. so yea...

[Catnip]

kinda. I just wanted to see wut the "top dogs" would do. if they were bitch made or not haha....

not take you serious? lol

[Stol3n]

The only prob I see w/ roll-races is that it takes the driver out of the mix a lot of times. I don't want to race your car - I want to run YOU while you are in your car so I like the dig. On the flip-side, rolls are "quick-setup" type of runs where if fuzz shows up you never stop moving... and you can say that you weren't racing and don't know the other driver. Building a car that doesn't leave from the dig on the street is not an "excuse" to only run from the roll. Why do I say this, b/c I know guys that are TRUE street-racers (IMO) and can make 500+ whp damn near dead hook and proceed to roll out on your ass. These guys are a dying breed. On the flip side, cars that can leave hard from the dig on the street usually aren't very impressive on a prepped surface. You gotta pick your poison... I know some street guys that will NOT meet you at the track just for this reason... they've figured out how to set a car up for unprepped surfaces and don't want to change it up just to prove a point at the track.

Silly thread though - but I think that was by design.

if u want to race the driver, go to the race track with a bracket car. then it is a drivers race. roll-racing by design is a test of how fast the car is. most people are interested in which car is faster not who can drive better JMO. to each their own but when i race someone i want to know which car is faster.

[btstone]

if u want to race the driver, go to the race track with a bracket car. then it is a drivers race. roll-racing by design is a test of how fast the car is. most people are interested in which car is faster not who can drive better JMO. to each their own but when i race someone i want to know which car is faster.

well thats depends. take my car for example. its prob faster than most cars here (not trying to be king or anything, its just an example) but on a roll race i would lose once we get to about 130-145mph. i have my tranny gears set up for the track, so once i go into 4th im in over drive. 5th is even slower because its my second over drive. lets no even bring up 6th. but roll races not for me

[Stol3n]

well thats depends. take my car for example. its prob faster than most cars here (not trying to be king or anything, its just an example) but on a roll race i would lose once we get to about 130-145mph. i have my tranny gears set up for the track, so once i go into 4th im in over drive. 5th is even slower because its my second over drive. lets no even bring up 6th. but roll races not for me

a car set up for the track should race at the track but for your typical run of the mill street car a roll race will tell which car is faster. this is of course only stands true if neither car miss a gear, jumps, and drivers are similar in experience. usually the race is over by 145 so my point still stands. :boobies:

[David88vert]

well thats depends. take my car for example. its prob faster than most cars here (not trying to be king or anything, its just an example) but on a roll race i would lose once we get to about 130-145mph. i have my tranny gears set up for the track, so once i go into 4th im in over drive. 5th is even slower because its my second over drive. lets no even bring up 6th. but roll races not for me

What kind of screwed up tranny ratios do you have?

4th should be close to 1:1 on any 6 speed manual, on a stock S2000 it is 1.1:1. 5th and 6th are overdrives, but 5th is still close to a 1:1.

Stock S2000 Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.133
2nd: 2.045
3rd: 1.481
4th: 1.161
5th: 0.943
6th: 0.763
Reverse: 2.800
Final Drive: 4.100
Secondary Gear Reduction: 1.208

PPG's ratios usually are:
Ratios: 3.16 / 2.09 / 1.53 / 1.22 / 1.04 / 0.88
As you can see, only 6th would be overdrive.

Are you using their drop gears? They don't list the ratios for them, but they should be similar. Why would they make 3 OD gears, except for top end runs? You might want to double-check this. If they really put 4th as an OD, then they ripped you off with a poor tranny setup in regards to performance.

[tdurr]

What kind of screwed up tranny ratios do you have?

4th should be close to 1:1 on any 6 speed manual, on a stock S2000 it is 1.1:1. 5th and 6th are overdrives, but 5th is still close to a 1:1.

Stock S2000 Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.133
2nd: 2.045
3rd: 1.481
4th: 1.161
5th: 0.943
6th: 0.763
Reverse: 2.800
Final Drive: 4.100
Secondary Gear Reduction: 1.208

PPG's ratios usually are:
Ratios: 3.16 / 2.09 / 1.53 / 1.22 / 1.04 / 0.88
As you can see, only 6th would be overdrive.

Are you using their drop gears? They don't list the ratios for them, but they should be similar. Why would they make 3 OD gears, except for top end runs? You might want to double-check this. If they really put 4th as an OD, then they ripped you off with a poor tranny setup in regards to performance.

lulz.

[btstone]

What kind of screwed up tranny ratios do you have?

4th should be close to 1:1 on any 6 speed manual, on a stock S2000 it is 1.1:1. 5th and 6th are overdrives, but 5th is still close to a 1:1.

Stock S2000 Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.133
2nd: 2.045
3rd: 1.481
4th: 1.161
5th: 0.943
6th: 0.763
Reverse: 2.800
Final Drive: 4.100
Secondary Gear Reduction: 1.208

PPG's ratios usually are:
Ratios: 3.16 / 2.09 / 1.53 / 1.22 / 1.04 / 0.88
As you can see, only 6th would be overdrive.

Are you using their drop gears? They don't list the ratios for them, but they should be similar. Why would they make 3 OD gears, except for top end runs? You might want to double-check this. If they really put 4th as an OD, then they ripped you off with a poor tranny setup in regards to performance.

thats is all correct, but i bought there custom reduction gear because that is what breaks alot on s2000s. the reduction gear is made larger so it throws the the gear ratios off. it makes 3rd you rclosest 1:1 gear. its made specificly for track use

[David88vert]

thats is all correct, but i bought there custom reduction gear because that is what breaks alot on s2000s. the reduction gear is made larger so it throws the the gear ratios off. it makes 3rd you rclosest 1:1 gear. its made specificly for track use

Ok, so basically you are using only 1-3 at the track, correct? Then with 3 ODs, you either have a very small ratio change between each, or you have a really small final. Let me guess, you also have something bigger than a 4:10 final, right? In the 5's maybe?

[btstone]

Ok, so basically you are using only 1-3 at the track, correct? Then with 3 ODs, you either have a very small ratio change between each, or you have a really small final. Let me guess, you also have something bigger than a 4:10 final, right? In the 5's maybe?

no i still have 4.10. i go into 4th at track. 4th tops out around 160mph for me.. i make enough tq and hp where 4th is not a big issues for me, but 5th and 6th slow me down considerably.

[BABY J]

if u want to race the driver, go to the race track with a bracket car. then it is a drivers race. roll-racing by design is a test of how fast the car is. most people are interested in which car is faster not who can drive better JMO. to each their own but when i race someone i want to know which car is faster.

Diff strokes for diff folks. Cars don't talk shit on the internet - drivers do. So for me, I like to make the DRIVER lose - not the car. But I understand that not every1 thinks like me. Also, since the OP was talking about street runs, the closest thing on the street to challenging the driver (like bracket-racing) is the dig.