Commerce Friday Night Drags: atlplayer, LSr-teg, any other NA cars

[tofu-eg]

So how long until you build the bottom end on the motor that's in there now? :p

that motor is for part out now but next session the new one will be up and running..it's just going to be NAsty..

[Catnip]

Not saying you're lieing just sayin that's movin. My car doesn't have that in her not on street tires maybe slicks. It's a 13.9 on a good day

Not to call you out, question your Honda knowledge, etc, but my hatch ran a 13.7 @ 102mph on street tires and 13.50 on slicks with a weak launch and bad ignition components. It was a JDM GSR with a big tube header, throttle body, and sk2 intake manifold... untuned. I'm guessing 160whp (?) and it weighed 2050 pounds, granted it had a B16 tranny, but I'm assuming you kept the LSD B16 tranny as well.

I say easy 13.50 on street tires, 13.1 territory on slicks.

***edit-- Did you lower your front tire pressure to around 11-14psi?***

Those times, assuming driver mod... need someone to drive it?

[DarKStaR]

Not to call you out, question your Honda knowledge, etc, but my hatch ran a 13.7 @ 102mph on street tires and 13.50 on slicks with a weak launch and bad ignition components. It was a JDM GSR with a big tube header, throttle body, and sk2 intake manifold... untuned. I'm guessing 160whp (?) and it weighed 2050 pounds, granted it had a B16 tranny, but I'm assuming you kept the LSD B16 tranny as well.

I say easy 13.50 on street tires, 13.1 territory on slicks.

***edit-- Did you lower your front tire pressure to around 11-14psi?***

Those times, assuming driver mod... need someone to drive it?

Indeed, and my full weight integra with 166whp went 13.9@100 on street tires....and with 175whp went 13.6 on slicks bogging..BAD.

[Vteckidd]

I admit im not a track driver at all, just dont have a lot of experience. Ive been to the track maybe 4 times and driven. I was always a street racer. The track is pretty humbling.

Johnzm drove my car twice and hes a good driver. On street tires i dont see it running faster than a 13.9 on a goodday, just my opinion.

Slicks, i think its a mid 13 second car at best. My car is a 90HF which puts i around 2100lbs from the factory IIRC. So its around 2300 with me in it.

Im gonna wait till it gets cooler before i go back

[NoWAyItZTOMmY]

13.9@103 @ 2495 2.3 60' w/o me streets tires.
to bad i cant get the new setup and chassis on the road yet though

[KevinT707]

it was actually 195 but whos counting

Goodness, good job then dude

[40th GT]

Dude, there must be something about my car. I was the 9th person in tonight, and the guy almost didn't let me run. He asked me to pop my hood and was like where's the battery? In the end, he let it slide for tonight, but was like I won't let you run next week w/o a cutoff.

Anyhow, it was good to beat on the motor a little bit. She ran like a champ. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to run any faster than when I was making only 179whp. I did trap a little higher though. Everyone was running pretty slow. I waxed a few mustangs and a GTO.

Next time, I gotta show up with DRs. I'm not going to get any faster at commerce running 195/60/15 tires.

Hey buddy what car were you driving?
One of those Mustangs you beat was probably mine lol. It was my first time out that Friday.

[chunky]

Hey buddy what car were you driving?
One of those Mustangs you beat was probably mine lol. It was my first time out that Friday.

Black civic si, the 2002 hatchback style. I think I ran against you twice back to back. You definitely gotta work on those 60ft times man. There's no excuse for 60fting slower than an FWD car. Did you drop your tire pressure at all? What were you launching at?

I know a new Mustang GT *should* be in the 13.x range with a 100+mph trap according to the magazine times. Obviously that's not going to be the norm at Commerce, but I'm sure your car is capable of going a lot faster than you were running that night. All you need is more seat time.

[40th GT]

Yeah I remember you. You're the first person I raced.
And I definitely need more seat time. My best 60s were in the low 2.3s and by my 10th run I finally got a 14.618.
My tire pressures were at 32 and I did a 3k rpm clutch drop. I also had trouble getting into 2nd.
The fact that I was nervous didn't help.

I don't completely suck at life though b/c I did beat a MkIII Supra Turbo from 0-50.

You left pretty early?

[chunky]

Yeah I remember you. You're the first person I raced.
And I definitely need more seat time. My best 60s were in the low 2.3s and by my 10th run I finally got a 14.618.
My tire pressures were at 32 and I did a 3k rpm clutch drop. I also had trouble getting into 2nd.
The fact that I was nervous didn't help.

I don't completely suck at life though b/c I did beat a MkIII Supra Turbo from 0-50.

You left pretty early?

What was the trap speed on that 14.618?

Next time you go, drop your rear tires to 25psi to start. Just make sure you slow down to make the turn out of the lanes. I'm not sure how low you can go, but on my car I go down to 20 with no problem, and i'll try a couple psi lower to see if it helps, but 20 is usually what my tires like.

Was it the white MKIII? I was up against him on my last run, but I let off halfway down b/c I knew it was going to be a shitty time (3.0x 60ft) and my engine was was pretty hot at that point. He trapped 105 that run but it was only a 14.5.

I got there early, had 9 pulls total. You were #6 & 7. I was going to run again after my engine got a chance to cool off, but it sat for an hour and was still hot. So I just left when everyone I rolled up with went to get food.

[40th GT]

I trapped at 97.xx.

Yeah the Mustang guys were telling me the same thing. I'm also going to lose the subwoofer whenever I go again.

No, the one I beat was a random one off the street.
I raced the white one as well though. I beat him on the 60' but by the time I got to the 1000' he passed me.

And thanks for the advice. Reps to you.

[Catnip]

I admit im not a track driver at all, just dont have a lot of experience. Ive been to the track maybe 4 times and driven. I was always a street racer. The track is pretty humbling.

Johnzm drove my car twice and hes a good driver. On street tires i dont see it running faster than a 13.9 on a goodday, just my opinion.

Slicks, i think its a mid 13 second car at best. My car is a 90HF which puts i around 2100lbs from the factory IIRC. So its around 2300 with me in it.

Im gonna wait till it gets cooler before i go back

Seriously man, the shifting can change your 1/4 mile time by a full second. By just setting the tire pressure on hondas, you can generally get decent traction... which would mean a better launch. Better launch can change your time by the same amount if it's just not launching. The hatch with me was right over 2200 and yours is almost the same with a type r. I was on some shitty ass yokohamas with that 13.7.

Either way, take it back out, play with the tire pressure, launching, shifting, etc. See what she'll do. I'd love to see a 13.1-13.3 from it.

[Vteckidd]

Seriously man, the shifting can change your 1/4 mile time by a full second. By just setting the tire pressure on hondas, you can generally get decent traction... which would mean a better launch. Better launch can change your time by the same amount if it's just not launching. The hatch with me was right over 2200 and yours is almost the same with a type r. I was on some shitty ass yokohamas with that 13.7.

Either way, take it back out, play with the tire pressure, launching, shifting, etc. See what she'll do. I'd love to see a 13.1-13.3 from it.

Tire pressure was 15psi on Drag Radials, launching at 4000-4500 RPMs, it WOULD NOT hook. It would spin through second. The MPH is what concerns me, my old CRX trapped 101-102mph consistently, this car never trapped higher than 99mph.

My shifts are quick enough, and im consistent, so i dont think thats the problem.

COmmerce is a notoriously slow track. Ive seen guys drop .2-.3 just by running at Silver Dollar or Steele.

Amazing was the shitty 60ft times EVERYONE was having.

[Catnip]

Tire pressure was 15psi on Drag Radials, launching at 4000-4500 RPMs, it WOULD NOT hook. It would spin through second. The MPH is what concerns me, my old CRX trapped 101-102mph consistently, this car never trapped higher than 99mph.

My shifts are quick enough, and im consistent, so i dont think thats the problem.

COmmerce is a notoriously slow track. Ive seen guys drop .2-.3 just by running at Silver Dollar or Steele.

Amazing was the shitty 60ft times EVERYONE was having.

Bring it out to SDR.

PS. The 13.50 was at 92mph, you still have hope

[Jenson]

Johnzm drove my car twice and hes a good driver.

My hatch went 13.98 @ 97mph, stock gsr swap, somewhere in the 23xxlb race weight, at commerce, on street tyres(stock CX 13's). And that was with 158 to the ground! I did have a "custom" ram air intake, maybe thats all you need.

I'd think your car should easily be in the mid to low 13's on slicks, at SDR, maybe even 12's. 15psi on the radials is way to much...try 5psi. After you do the burnout they will go up so on every pass you have to lower them again. I used to run my BFG's at 3-5psi, slicks too. I'd actually start at 1-2 psi for the first run and they'd be near 3-5 after the first run. Pump up the rear tyres to the max psi, helps anti squat and less rolling resistance.

Im kinda glad I didnt make it. Sounds like I would have had trouble getting 3rd to hook up I'll wait for the cold air just so I can go run a number again.

[chunky]

My hatch went 13.98 @ 97mph, stock gsr swap, somewhere in the 23xxlb race weight, at commerce, on street tyres(stock CX 13's). And that was with 158 to the ground! I did have a "custom" ram air intake, maybe thats all you need.

I'd think your car should easily be in the mid to low 13's on slicks, at SDR, maybe even 12's. 15psi on the radials is way to much...try 5psi. After you do the burnout they will go up so on every pass you have to lower them again. I used to run my BFG's at 3-5psi, slicks too. I'd actually start at 1-2 psi for the first run and they'd be near 3-5 after the first run. Pump up the rear tyres to the max psi, helps anti squat and less rolling resistance.

Im kinda glad I didnt make it. Sounds like I would have had trouble getting 3rd to hook up I'll wait for the cold air just so I can go run a number again.

It was a slow night, but I'm glad I went. I doubt anyone set any personal records last Friday. However, it was worth my 20 bucks b/c I got to pop off a few back to back runs to at least get some idea of how to get my car out of the hole consistently. I definitely need better rubber before I go again though.

[Jenson]

I was supposed to get off work at 12, find a helmet, then go home and bolt on the radials...but I left at 6:30. Couldnt get a helmet and dang sure would have been on street tyres. I'll be there with the civic soon though...

[Catnip]

My hatch went 13.98 @ 97mph, stock gsr swap, somewhere in the 23xxlb race weight, at commerce, on street tyres(stock CX 13's). And that was with 158 to the ground! I did have a "custom" ram air intake, maybe thats all you need.

I'd think your car should easily be in the mid to low 13's on slicks, at SDR, maybe even 12's. 15psi on the radials is way to much...try 5psi. After you do the burnout they will go up so on every pass you have to lower them again. I used to run my BFG's at 3-5psi, slicks too. I'd actually start at 1-2 psi for the first run and they'd be near 3-5 after the first run. Pump up the rear tyres to the max psi, helps anti squat and less rolling resistance.

Im kinda glad I didnt make it. Sounds like I would have had trouble getting 3rd to hook up I'll wait for the cold air just so I can go run a number again.

I agree.
I've never used radials, you really run them that low? I ran regular street tires at around 10-11psi, they hooked decent, but nothing compared to slicks.

[KevinT707]

Tire pressure was 15psi on Drag Radials, launching at 4000-4500 RPMs, it WOULD NOT hook. It would spin through second. The MPH is what concerns me, my old CRX trapped 101-102mph consistently, this car never trapped higher than 99mph.

My shifts are quick enough, and im consistent, so i dont think thats the problem.

COmmerce is a notoriously slow track. Ive seen guys drop .2-.3 just by running at Silver Dollar or Steele.

Amazing was the shitty 60ft times EVERYONE was having.

I've ran at Commerce plenty of times, and at SDR countless times. From my personal experience my E/Ts from Commerce were definitely a lot slower than SDR. My best time at Commerce (14.9?) is still slower than my avg slower time at SDR (14.7-14.8). So don't feel bad, I think you'd run a 13.9-14.0 at SDR forsure.

[Catnip]

I've ran at Commerce plenty of times, and at SDR countless times. From my personal experience my E/Ts from Commerce were definitely a lot slower than SDR. My best time at Commerce (14.9?) is still slower than my avg slower time at SDR (14.7-14.8). So don't feel bad, I think you'd run a 13.9-14.0 at SDR forsure.

No offense, but you're high if you think an ITR w/B16 tranny in a CRX is only going to put down a 13.9/14.0.

If the motor isn't a complete piece of shit and the tranny will shift without grinding, 13.9 would be EASY.

[Vteckidd]

we'll see, im gonna go back after i get some stuff squared away on it. Need some brakes and traction bars first

[Jenson]

I agree.
I've never used radials, you really run them that low? I ran regular street tires at around 10-11psi, they hooked decent, but nothing compared to slicks.

Of course, I drove around on the street with 15psi on radials, anything less was a bit dodgey in corners. If it looks like a flat tire before you hit the water box your doing it right Here's a great example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0-LK...eature=related

I know its not technically "right" but it always worked for me to run around 3-5 psi. More psi means the air is pushing on the sidewall trying to hold it up giving it less flexing/wrinkle capability and you are relying on the compound of the rubber alone. Running lower pressure means the sidewall kinda works like a wrinkle wall and offers the more contact patch. Thats my theory at least.


Mike, have you weighed the car? Maybe it has a large chunk of lead in the gas tank. What was your 60' time? Im guessing 2.4-2.5 range.

[Catnip]

Of course, I drove around on the street with 15psi on radials, anything less was a bit dodgey in corners. If it looks like a flat tire before you hit the water box your doing it right Here's a great example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0-LK...eature=related

I know its not technically "right" but it always worked for me to run around 3-5 psi. More psi means the air is pushing on the sidewall trying to hold it up giving it less flexing/wrinkle capability and you are relying on the compound of the rubber alone. Running lower pressure means the sidewall kinda works like a wrinkle wall and offers the more contact patch. Thats my theory at least.


Mike, have you weighed the car? Maybe it has a large chunk of lead in the gas tank. What was your 60' time? Im guessing 2.4-2.5 range.

Take the car and do a launch on some clean, light colored cement... it'll show which parts of the tire are making contact with the ground

[Vteckidd]

Never weighed it fastest 60 ft was a 2.2

[Vteckidd]

Once I get the valve train In and I can rev to 9500-10000 I'll feel a lot better an not have to shift to 4th

[dirk-diggler]

14.2@99 2.3 60ft no one was running good times

i ran da same with a stock b20 hatch on street tires .