Lol are you kidding me? The yellow evo was killing that s2k all night long.Originally Posted by jdmda9
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Lol are you kidding me? The yellow evo was killing that s2k all night long.Originally Posted by jdmda9
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God you are stupid. You don't even get it. So far over your head..............Originally Posted by btstone84
That's the kicker for me. EVERY reputable shop in Atlanta sucks? Yet we all have some of the fastest and most innovative cars in the country (shop and customer cars)???? Odd.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
I wouldn't say country, but yall are def some of the best in GA.Originally Posted by Tracy
I pass by Batlground all the time and that shop looks like straight trash.
The shops in Atlanta have put out some of the fastest cars in the country. That's a fact and that's not just talking about us. MSPi and Topspeed have contributed their fair share.Originally Posted by Bridged
http://batlground.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=33Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
Yea. Pretty trashy, but we own it. You have any of your own real estate to speak of? Maybe we can all bash what you worked hard for. Or maybe we can all just bash on the fact that you hang out with an idiot like bstone instead since I doubt that you have real estate.
ehh i disagreeOriginally Posted by Bridged
Batlground had/has
8 second supra(something like the 10th fastest in the world IIRC)
EVO record on stock motor/turbo (5xxwhp)
The Ball WRX IIRC was one of the first subies with over 400whp(later made 518)
4th in Nopi Drift with their 240sx (out of 100+ drivers)
Mainstream had/has
LS Turbo record (world) 631whp (iloveboosts car)
first 2JZ 240sx that we know if in the country
One of the first S2000s in the 600+Whp territory
Spoolins 83x whp EK
My NA Record was one of the highest in the country for awhile 237whp
Topspeed had/has
Clarks 1XXX whp Supra (one of the fastest in the country/state)
Topspeed won 1st in the nation in redline time attack
They have tuned some of the top evos in the countryand scoobies too
So yeah, i think tracy is right in saying best in the COUNTRy
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Actually STM has the stock Evo motor record. I call BS making 5XXwhp on a stock motor and stock turbo evo. AWD motorsports currently has the stock appearing turbo world record. Just wanted to clear the misinformation.
Records? Are we talking power or 1/4 times? Because 1/4 times have much more to do with the driver.
man this was like 5 years ago dude, they had stock block record or something, might have been stock block and stock manifold with stock turbo.Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
They ported the turbo IIRC or something , it made over 5xxawhp, look on their website, it was a BIG deal back then before they built the stroker motor.
Im sure they can fill you in.
1/4 times or power numbers, both or achievments
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This car is Tracy's daily driver. It has broken the stock block/stock ECU/stock turbo all wheel horsepower record twice and now boasts of a stammering 665 horsepower (to all 4 wheels). It ran 10.55 in the 1/4 mile on drag radials it's first and last time at the track. The car remains with full interior and full weight and maintains the A/C and P/S. You cannot miss this car with Hello Kitty stickers on the wing.
http://batlground.com/index.php?content=shoptracy
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I still call BS on making 5XXwhp on a stock motor and stock turbo Evo.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Ok that link showed me they put down 575whp on a "budget kit" at 30psi on the stock motor but deff not a stock turbo. Then the motor blew up and built everything and put down 665whp and went 10.55. Thats no where near the record for stock block or stock turbo or anything of that matter.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
That car didn't break shit for records.
i think you are misunderstandingOriginally Posted by WickedIXMR
It has broken the stock block/stock ECU/stock turbo all wheel horsepower record twice
Whatever that was, BACK IN THE DAY, they broke it, i remember it was all over Evolutionm.net and on the other boards. It may have not been 5xxwhp i could be wrong, maybe it was 4xx something. Then they did the budget 35R kit, which is when it made 5xx something, then with the Gt37 it made over 650
Dude this was well before there were 500whp EVOs everywhere, this was when the car first came out
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I doubt that until I see proof. You have shown no proof just guesses and opinions. I think you should stick to the honda/240 world...You have a lot of misleading information when it comes to the evos. Btw those numbers you posted are no where near impressive, even 5 years ago.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
sigh you prob missed the part where i said IIRC.Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
I dont need to show you proof its WELL KNOWN in the evo community, go look it up.
Search on Evolutionm youll find it
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You don't think 500whp can be made with a stock motor, stock turbo evo? LOL. It can be done, it just takes some thinking about HOW to make it work. Curt Brown made 500whp on a REAL 16G (evo 3 16g, not the bigger one that comes on the evo's) with his DSM on the stock block. Same car made 438whp on straight pump gas on the same turbo. No AEM needed, as he used DSMLink.Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
At any rate, the BG Evo was making 560whp or so on the stock block before it let go, but it was also out of injector on that tune. I was there, and I know first hand. As for the stock turbo record, yes, it held that record for a little while too. I believe AT THE TIME, it was 440awhp or so, but obviously, strides have been made, and that was a long time ago. The 35R kit make well over 600whp, but again, the boost on this car was never ran past 30psi, where many other people with the same cars are running much more boost now. AT THE TIME, and that's they key, because we're talking 2004-2005 season, there were no 30psi pump gas Evo's, and everyone was running the same kits.
Pick your poison. 8.58 was done on drag radials, in the NDRA street tire class. Oh, and the power was made on the stock pistons. 5-6yrs later, even though fast supras are everywhere, the BG02 Supra AND Dan, still sit on a that record list.Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
Well its obviously not WELL KNOWN in the evo community. Battleground didnt break shit for records for the evo.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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We (Mike and I) were talking about an evo 8 and yes I dont think BATTLEGROUND can hit over 500whp on a completly stock motor, stock evo 8 turbo. Were talking about Battleground not Curt Brown here... Anyone can say they hold a record for a car when they FIRST came out, thats pretty damn easy to do and I bet that record was beat FAST. 560whp is not impressive for a stock block evo for the 2004-2005 season, people were making that all over the evo community back then. 440whp for a stock turbo aint shit now and days. That stock turbo record was probably beat a week after anyways. AT THE TIME AMS and Buschur was making over 800whp! Battleground did not make crap. They probably made a record for like a week but its holding a record is whats "key."Originally Posted by SleepingTalon
BTW Mike was saying they made a record for making 5XXwhp on a stock block, stock turbo, stock ecu and stock manifold which is complete BULLSHIT and false information.
well i saidOriginally Posted by WickedIXMR
youre right, im not an EVO guy and i have no idea what the specifics were so maybe i should have said "Held some records with an EVO" instead of posting what i thought they held. THis was long before i worked there.Im sure they can fill you in.
DOesnt matter if the record has been broken, for a shop to break any kind of national record, even for an hour, is an achievement. Even Olympic WOrld Records fall, sometimes in the same day that doesnt take away from the actual achievement IMO.
Like i said, im sure Tracy can fill in the specifics, and ive seen the dynoes, and we all remember the car. Its not like it never existed. They did break SOME KIND OF RECORD, im sure they can list the specifics.
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So Buschur and AMS were making 800whp in June of 2004? Really? I can call Martin to confirm this, but I would like to see some posts from EVOM to say otherwise. Furthermore, the record BACK THEN with a 35R, not the HTA version, but a REAL 35R was like 650whp, and that's what BG was running. The 67mm turbo went on the car right before they sold it, and Dan never really put the car through the ringer for that very reason...it was for sale. That motor never saw much more than 30psi, as opposed to the 40psi other people run. Also, 560whp wasn't impressive for stock block back then? What was the record back then? Actually, did you even OWN an evo back then? Just curious.. Please enlighten me since you seem to be some sort of expert. Here's a thread DIRECTLY from EVOM from like 2 months ago (let alone 4-5yrs ago) talking about stock blocks and what people are making and what is generally considered MAX power for the stock block. In fact, there's an entire 22+page thread dedicated to people who have made 500+whp on stock blocks. The thread started in 2006, so you're trying to tell me that in late 2004, what BG did "aint shit". That's laughable. It's easy to say it's nothing now, but back then, it was a big deal. I made 600+whp with my DSM back in the day, and everyone was in awe, but now it's nothing, so that takes away from the feat itself? You've got some flawed logic.Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-eng...max-power.html
Also, just FYI, back then, FYI, 440whp was not only a great record back then, but was the subject to a huge debate about whether it was even POSSIBLE. Do your research about the history of how things unfolded. There were a lot of things back then that people said "weren't possible", but have become the norm these days.
Just for reference, here is a thread from February of 2005 where people are "ooohing and ahhhing" over what everyone now would consider entry level shit.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-eng...stock-ecu.html
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I would have to agree with Wicked on Buschur Racing. They have always done the best work on DSM's and Evo's period. This is why I say some of the best in GA, because there's alot more to a shop then throwing money at a car and making records. Even thought BR was doing it before anyone with DSMs.
Yall are good, but best in the country is a big stretch.
No one would dare say best in the country with that specific car, but BG has never said that they ONLY work on Evos, Supras, 240's, etc. Dan has tuned everything from N/A Civic's to twin turbo, 9 liter, stroker motor Vipers. The project and customer list has always been diverse.Originally Posted by Bridged
I was one of the main people in the area messing with the 4G63, and this can be confirmed by anyone on GADSM, but Buschur was doing it long before me, and everyone else. I give credit where credit is due, but Buschur specializes in that car, where many other shops branch out to build other things. My point is that whatever project BG has decided to partake in has always been successful. The Supra, the Evo, the 240, all did VERY well, and performed exactly how they were supposed to, and the "new" car will be no different.
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I dont know about 2004 but I know by 2005 there was alot of high horsepower evos. Boost solutions had a high horsepower evo before AMS did IIRC. A buddy of mine in MD put down over 800whp on his Evo in 2005. Turbo Trix Racing put down high horsepower back then. The list goes on. Not everyone posts on the internetOriginally Posted by SleepingTalon
. Before all these people even hit these crazy numbers the stock block was tested to how much power it will hold. At least I know my buddy did and finding out that 5XXwhp in a stock block is where the limit for the evo motor is, is no news back in 2005. Actually I did not own an evo back then but doesnt mean I didnt know people with them or I didnt do my own share of reading. Those threads really dont mean shit! There are tons of Joe Schmo's posting dumb threads like that everyday on Evom dont mean there hasnt been alot of 5xxwhp stock block evos out there. As for the second thread, EVERYONE "oohhhsss ahhhh" in threads where people post there numbers, who gives a flying fuck?
EDIT: To add to all this and throw some more fuel to the flame, Dan SUCKS DICK at tuning evos! One of my buddys made pretty decent powers but car completely ran like shit. Wouldnt even stay on always had to restart it all the damn time, worst tune I have ever seen. Another guy I know makes just over 400whp on a car that should be making over 500whp on pumpgas. On racegas it made just over 500whp when on the same turbo same q16 gas another car made well over 600whp. What a great tuner!
BTW all this started because I was simply correcting a false statement Mike made extremely false at that and you guys want to take it this far, fine by me.
Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
Boost Solutions? You're gonna use that as an example? That car ran like shit, never saw a track, and IIRC, they ended up ripping off a ton of people. Not exactly who I'd use as an example. The two shops around here that have built high HP Evos have been TopSpeed and BG.
Oh jeez. Here we go with the "but this guy makes this much, so why am I not making that much?". I'm sure your buddies car had absolutely NOTHING wrong with it, and it was "only the tune", and that's why it ran so bad, lol. I'm sure Dan is such a bad tuner that he can't figure out how to make an extra 100whp. That really is laughable, and if you call AEM and say that about Dan, they'll laugh at you too. Actually, you can pretty much call any of the big name tuners and they'll laugh at that. King of the 4G himself, Brent Rau, John Shepherd, Martin over at AMS, will all say that Dan knows what the fuck he's doing. Things aren't always so cut and dry.
Anyway, if you did your own "fair share of reading" then where the fuck were you reading it??? The INTERNET perhaps? BTW, back then, AMS were the guys that everyone chased. Now, Buschur is the man, but back then, it was certainly AMS (although Buschur always had his own thing going on and had a good Evo customer base, and was actually the person I got my first turbo kit from for my DSM), and they were the yard stick. Everyone was running AMS kits.
How is it that those threads don't prove shit? You said it was "no big deal" and that "people were making that all over the evo community back then". That's your quote, so what community were you referring to? Is there some secret Evo society that you belong to that just sits back while others are working on stuff, watching unimpressed? LOL. Gimme a fucking break. I was simply showing you that the GENERAL CONSENSUS (maybe not you, since you're obviously some sort of "expert") was that those numbers were VERY GOOD for back then. I'll use this last thing as a point. I used to tune all these DSM's for people back then, and the big thing was "I wanna make 400whp on pump gas". No one around here had done it, but I did it with a customer car, and when I posted the numbers, dyno sheet, and mod list, on the internet, people were like "that's just not possible, blah blah blah". Now if I were to post those numbers NOW, not only would I barely get a pat on the back, but it would probably garner responses like "that's all...?" or "why such low numbers?". Every year the game gets stepped up a bit, simple as that.
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People post pics from Honda-Tech meets all the time.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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P.S. I know I am like 6 pages late. Didn't want to read all of it to make one comment.
maybe so. but from the first race, the s2k totally got it!maybe he turned his boost up? o well not my cars so i could care less.
but lankhoss's vette was raping everyone!!!
Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
shhh...
vtec game scArY. . !
I have all of the races on footage and the S2000 NEVER beat the Evo, period.Originally Posted by jdmda9
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The S2000 even said on another forum "that Evo checked the fucked out" and said he lost.
In all my video's the Evo pulled hard. Your vision must have been diluted.
AND Lankhoss wasn't raping everyone.
Boost Solutions lol Yeah probably not a very good example! It ran okay when it wasn't destroying motors!Originally Posted by SleepingTalon
Yes George pissed off plenty... but I liked the direct port and the HKS t51rspl on it.
Yeah my car was spinning so bad. i think i would have lost to the jeep. No traction FTLOriginally Posted by 2.3 Evo 8
Ima get his ass though...Originally Posted by btstone84
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Yea I know what your saying. I just have a lot of love for BR and what they do for the DSM community. BR use to do other cars, still do, they just don't advertise it on there site. Like I said I think the stops in ATL are awesome and know alot about alot of cars, including the DSM. Just thought the "country" remark was kinda untrue.Originally Posted by SleepingTalon
We will definitely run again. I think we need to line up teh G35 and the BMW as well. Next time I'll bring the Evo on pump to make things even:boobies:Originally Posted by btstone84
Thanks man!Originally Posted by AnthonyF
Here is some more footage from Phil. More to come... I hope![]()
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSbZjBuLnE
that wont be even. remeber i was spinning REALLY bad. even with me spinning it was like that crazy of a gap. when we were on the highway it wasnt great but was a lot better traction then when on that side street. Bring that EVO out balls to the wall. i want it all. and we can run the slow ass g35 when ever you want. 13 second car FTWOriginally Posted by Evolunchbox
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I remember, I'm just busting your balls!Originally Posted by btstone84