Quote Originally Posted by SleepingTalon
So Buschur and AMS were making 800whp in June of 2004? Really? I can call Martin to confirm this, but I would like to see some posts from EVOM to say otherwise. Furthermore, the record BACK THEN with a 35R, not the HTA version, but a REAL 35R was like 650whp, and that's what BG was running. The 67mm turbo went on the car right before they sold it, and Dan never really put the car through the ringer for that very reason...it was for sale. That motor never saw much more than 30psi, as opposed to the 40psi other people run. Also, 560whp wasn't impressive for stock block back then? What was the record back then? Actually, did you even OWN an evo back then? Just curious.. Please enlighten me since you seem to be some sort of expert. Here's a thread DIRECTLY from EVOM from like 2 months ago (let alone 4-5yrs ago) talking about stock blocks and what people are making and what is generally considered MAX power for the stock block. In fact, there's an entire 22+page thread dedicated to people who have made 500+whp on stock blocks. The thread started in 2006, so you're trying to tell me that in late 2004, what BG did "aint shit". That's laughable. It's easy to say it's nothing now, but back then, it was a big deal. I made 600+whp with my DSM back in the day, and everyone was in awe, but now it's nothing, so that takes away from the feat itself? You've got some flawed logic.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-eng...max-power.html

Also, just FYI, back then, FYI, 440whp was not only a great record back then, but was the subject to a huge debate about whether it was even POSSIBLE. Do your research about the history of how things unfolded. There were a lot of things back then that people said "weren't possible", but have become the norm these days.

Just for reference, here is a thread from February of 2005 where people are "ooohing and ahhhing" over what everyone now would consider entry level shit.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-eng...stock-ecu.html
I dont know about 2004 but I know by 2005 there was alot of high horsepower evos. Boost solutions had a high horsepower evo before AMS did IIRC. A buddy of mine in MD put down over 800whp on his Evo in 2005. Turbo Trix Racing put down high horsepower back then. The list goes on. Not everyone posts on the internet . Before all these people even hit these crazy numbers the stock block was tested to how much power it will hold. At least I know my buddy did and finding out that 5XXwhp in a stock block is where the limit for the evo motor is, is no news back in 2005. Actually I did not own an evo back then but doesnt mean I didnt know people with them or I didnt do my own share of reading. Those threads really dont mean shit! There are tons of Joe Schmo's posting dumb threads like that everyday on Evom dont mean there hasnt been alot of 5xxwhp stock block evos out there. As for the second thread, EVERYONE "oohhhsss ahhhh" in threads where people post there numbers, who gives a flying fuck?

EDIT: To add to all this and throw some more fuel to the flame, Dan SUCKS DICK at tuning evos! One of my buddys made pretty decent powers but car completely ran like shit. Wouldnt even stay on always had to restart it all the damn time, worst tune I have ever seen. Another guy I know makes just over 400whp on a car that should be making over 500whp on pumpgas. On racegas it made just over 500whp when on the same turbo same q16 gas another car made well over 600whp. What a great tuner!