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    Exclamation BAD SELLER ... Southside

    About 2-3 months ago I purchased an S1 (cable) B series transmission from Southside. At the time of the purchase I was told that the transmission was a B16 transmission and grinded in 3rd gear (typical of a B series transmission because of the synchros).

    The transmission sat in my parents garage until about 2 weeks ago because I do not live at home. I go to college 3.5 hours from the Atlanta area. In fact, my pops was the one who picked it up from him because I could not be in town to make the transaction. So when I finally got into town, I opened the transmission case to determine what the problem was with the grinding. I was going to replace the synchros if that's all it needed. Well, I discovered 2 problems.

    First, the transmission is an LS transmission, not a B16 transmission like I was told. This is obviously a problem because LS transmissions aren't the desired transmissions for an NA b series because of the long gear ratios. I determined that the was an LS transmission by counting both the gear on the main input shaft and the matching gear on the counter input shaft and divided one number into the other. The numbers I got from this equation was the exact same numbers that a USDM LS transmission is.

    Second, the main input shaft bearing was broken. This is the 1st transmission I've opened, and I'm not sure how a transmission wouldn't have any problems (except for a grind in one of the gears) if the main input shaft bearing was broken.



    I will add, that I was home for 1 day to tear the transmission apart. While I had it tore apart, I replaced the bearing because I was pressed for time, and could not leave a transmission in pieces in my parents garage. Granted, i should have contacted Southside while it was open to address the problem, but like I said, I was pressed for time. And I highly doubted he would have dropped everything he was doing right that second to drive over an hour to see what was wrong, which is why i just fixed the problem and contacted him when I got done driving back to school the next day.


    So I addressed Southside about the problem, and at first he was willing to work things out with me, although he was hesitant because it had been so long since the initial transaction, which is completely understandable. However, he claims he purchased the transmission from someone else and was told it was a b16, and did not seem to believe that it was actually an LS transmission. The main issue he addressed was the broken main input shaft bearing, which to me was not the main issue here. The main issue was that I purchased a transmission which I believed (and was told) was a b16 transmission, and it was in fact an LS transmission. He asked how much $$$ it would be to "make the situation right" and I said $50, and he counter offered with $25. Which I refused because to me, thats simply ridiculous. The value of an LS transmission (with a broken main input shaft bearing none the less) and a b16 transmission are completely different, and surely MUCH different than $25.
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    Damn that sucks man..

    How much did you Pay to begin with?

    SOOOOOO are yall gonna work things out???

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    damn man sorry to hear that. i hope you get everything worked out

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    Oops, $220. Ment to put that in the original thread.

    Well He left it @ offering me $25. I told him the least I would take is $50 or i was gonna make a thread, and he said $25 is all he's offering.

    So I made this thread, not sure how things are going to work out. I really just want to inform people about it.
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    I still dont get how in this day in age people STILL dont check shit out before buying it. WHy do you people believe kids on IA selling parts????

    Should have pulled the case right then to make sure IMO, if you cant be home to do it, dont buy it or have someone you TRUST look at it before purchase. I buy a transmission im pulling the case and inspecting everything or paying someone to inspect it for me.

    IMO he fucked you for selling an LS tranny to you not a B16 (IF HE KNEW IT WAS AN LS). But you will never be able to prove that. Again its BUYER beware not SELLER beware. If hes a stand up guy he will compensate you somehow. If not, you learned a lesson.
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    YUP! folks on IA DO lie about parts...

    Both are at fault...IMO

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    I agree with you !00% Vteckidd, the case should have been opened at the time of the purchase. This is my fault for sure. and BUYER beware.


    But you're right, he should compensate me somehow. I think what i asked for was reasonable, obviously he did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa_Smurf View Post
    I agree with you !00% Vteckidd, the case should have been opened at the time of the purchase. This is my fault for sure. and BUYER beware.


    But you're right, he should compensate me somehow. I think what i asked for was reasonable, obviously he did not.
    $220 for a grinding b16 tranny is pretty cheap. IMO the Mainshaft bearing is not his problem (although he may have lied about it just grinding again you cant prove it). The problem is $220 for a B16 transmission is cheap, its incredibly expensive for a grinding LS tranny. I wouldnt have paid more than $100 for a trans like that. So $50 is a very reasonable amount for him to compensate you.

    But hes prob like every other broke kid on here and would rather stiff someone and go about his business than just do whats right to make you happy.

    I mean seriously what is $50 between IA members when you are obviously in the wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    $220 for a grinding b16 tranny is pretty cheap. IMO the Mainshaft bearing is not his problem (although he may have lied about it just grinding again you cant prove it). The problem is $220 for a B16 transmission is cheap, its incredibly expensive for a grinding LS tranny. I wouldnt have paid more than $100 for a trans like that. So $50 is a very reasonable amount for him to compensate you.

    But hes prob like every other broke kid on here and would rather stiff someone and go about his business than just do whats right to make you happy.

    I mean seriously what is $50 between IA members when you are obviously in the wrong
    Exactly. I thought I was getting a good deal on a b16 transmission, and thought the 3rd and 4th synchros would need to be replaced which is why he was selling it for cheap.

    And yes, $220 is expensive for an LS tranny (I've seen them go for $150 recently) AND mine had a bad bearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    I mean seriously what is $50 between IA members when you are obviously in the wrong
    Exactly. I did not think I was asking for much. In fact I should have asked for more, but I was trying to be reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASE*Tech View Post
    Southside is a POS and needs to be banned...I bet he knew about this as he is shady

    sorry about this happen to a good member but it happens more then most see
    Dude fuck you your a dumbass.Point blank you say everyone is shady but be forreal I still remember you vouched for a h23 that was supposeitly rebuilt and knocked on start up oh you dont remember let me refresh your memory fucking block was painted blueSo fuck off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    $220 for a grinding b16 tranny is pretty cheap. IMO the Mainshaft bearing is not his problem (although he may have lied about it just grinding again you cant prove it). The problem is $220 for a B16 transmission is cheap, its incredibly expensive for a grinding LS tranny. I wouldnt have paid more than $100 for a trans like that. So $50 is a very reasonable amount for him to compensate you.

    But hes prob like every other broke kid on here and would rather stiff someone and go about his business than just do whats right to make you happy.

    I mean seriously what is $50 between IA members when you are obviously in the wrong
    Like I told him the guy that sold me the tranny told me it was a b16 tranny the guy is a Acura Tech.So when he contacted me I was pretty hesitate about what he was saying seeing I sold him the tranny a while back.Then when he told me the input shaft bearing was bad and it was a ls I told him I didnt know it was a ls tranny because when I received the tranny I was told it was a b16 tranny that had a grind in third gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa_Smurf View Post
    Oops, $220. Ment to put that in the original thread.

    Well He left it @ offering me $25. I told him the least I would take is $50 or i was gonna make a thread, and he said $25 is all he's offering.

    So I made this thread, not sure how things are going to work out. I really just want to inform people about it.
    As for you Alan think you forgot to mention you said your dad had a bearing laying around.Then after I was threaten with a messege>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa_Smurf
    I'm sorry, but that's a ridiculous counter offer. MAYBE I would take that if this was a b16 transmission, but it's not, it's an LS. I should be asking $75, but $50 is the lowest I will take. Otherwise I'm going to make a thread about this. I'd rather not do that, but if thats the only choice I'm left with, than so be it.
    I was trying to work shit out but I said after you tried to threaten me I said fuck it go ahead and the last messege I sent you was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
    .[/QUOTE]Go ahead and make a thread dude I sold you the tranny under the understanding that it worked fine except third. You fixed a problem that I dont even know was wrong with the tranny the person that sold me it told me it was a b16 and only grinded second now you are telling me its a ls and input shaft bearing was broke then you tell me well I had a extra one but I want you to pay me 50$ for it.When you can get it at any local part store for no more than 20$,If that was what you told me was wrong with the transmission.Also you waited a very long time to tell me that anything was wrong with the tranny.Then you try to threaten me talkin about you should be asking for 75$ Dude gtfo of here.I offered you half of what you asked me for and also considering you tell me instead of you contacting me when you first found the problem you fixed the problem.With parts you had laying around and now you want me to pay for it?Like I said Ill give you half of your asking because you waited so long and I asked the person I got it from they said they were sure it was a b16.If you found out it was a ls tranny why didnt you hit me up instead of just fixing it.[/QUOTE]


    Like I said how could I help you but threaten me isnt going to get you anywhere when I could have just said fuck it he bought the tranny and didnt inspect it.I would have had no problem letting you take it apart.But instead I was meet up by your pops again.Like I said I was trying to help you considering I work at parts store if you would have told me the bearing was bad I could have got you a new one.Instead of you fixing the tranny if I had a problem with a tranny I wouldnt hit someone up after I fixed the problem I would let them know soon as I encountered the problem.Instead of repairing the problem then trying to tell the person who sold me the tranny you need to pay for 50$ for a used input shaft bearing my dad had laying around.Now if you would have told me hey man the tranny isnt a ls and the bearing was bad instead of telling me Hey BLAHBLAH BLAH I fixed the tranny instead of hitting you up when I ran into the problem.So how does that look to me I dont know if its the same tranny if it ever was broken.Or if it is or isnt a b16 tranny Like I said I was trying to help you but the way you came at me in your last messege was allllllll fucking wrong.Why would I screw you over and continue to talk to you after I sold you the tranny we sent messeges back and forth and I figured the tranny was straight seeing you didnt say anything about it when we were talking about your build.Well I wouldnt mind resolving this fuck what other people say people that really deal with me like Jermaine now.Seeing I drove 2 hours to take a jumper harness up north for him after he didnt wanna buy the part until he got someone elses ok on it.Long ass drive Jermaine!THink I lost money on that one but its all good people can think what they wanna think.
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    haha $25

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    Well, as with any other member, his selling rights will be put on hold until this is addressed and/or handled. Later, QD.
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    Southside is a POS and needs to be banned...I bet he knew about this as he is shady

    sorry about this happen to a good member but it happens more then most see

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    damn Alan , i hate to hear this , this is not the first issue i have heard about SS , hope it gets worked out laddie

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    that sucks Alan! can't believe he only offer $25 for all that trouble.

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    Damn dude, sorry this had to happen to ya. Take this as a lesson learned, and always double check everything before you make a "major" purchase (even though I know you wasn't able to do that this time). There's more people on this site out to get over than willing to cut people deals.

    As Southside, you didn't want to give dude back $50 for a crappy transmission that wasn't even the type of transmission you said it was?!? Come on dude. In my opinion, that's just low dude. If you gave Alan $25 back, that means you sold him a mess up LS transmission for $195 then. Ask yourself this, would you pay $195 for a messed up LS transmission? Don't even answer that, because I know the answer is HELL NAW. I believe $50 is more than fair since messed up cable LS transmission are basically paper weight to people. Hopefully you man up make things right, if not what goes around comes around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdare23 View Post
    Damn dude, sorry this had to happen to ya. Take this as a lesson learned, and always double check everything before you make a "major" purchase (even though I know you wasn't able to do that this time). There's more people on this site out to get over than willing to cut people deals.

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    hmmm this does suck for you alan southside has always been a stand up guy with me even tho lots of ppl think he is shady im sure he will help you out and get you the extra 25 bucks. just take this as a blessing that you can build the perfect trans i mean you were going to run a ls 5th anyway right lol.
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    WELL YES..!! IM NOT GOING TO LIE BUT SOUTHSIDE DID ME WRONG A WHILE BACK AGO ALSO..!! THATS WHY EVEN WHEN HE HAS NICE PARTS I ALWAYS SAY F**K THAT B**TCH... BOUT TWO YEARS AGO I THINK IT WAS, HE SOLD ME A GEN1 SKUNK2 IM WHICH HE TOLD ME WAS FOR A GSR BUT THEN I FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS FOR A B16 AND TRIED CALLING HIM AND EVERYTHING AND MUTHAF**KER JUST NEVER PICKED UP THE FONE ANYMORE..!! SO F**K HIM PEOPLE..!! JUST LOOKING AT HIM YOU CAN TELL THAT HE JUST A SORRY LIL BITCH TRYING TO FOOL PEOPLE TO MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY THAT F**KER..!! DIE SLOW BITCH..!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMD_Civic View Post
    WELL YES..!! IM NOT GOING TO LIE BUT SOUTHSIDE DID ME WRONG A WHILE BACK AGO ALSO..!! THATS WHY EVEN WHEN HE HAS NICE PARTS I ALWAYS SAY F**K THAT B**TCH... BOUT TWO YEARS AGO I THINK IT WAS, HE SOLD ME A GEN1 SKUNK2 IM WHICH HE TOLD ME WAS FOR A GSR BUT THEN I FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS FOR A B16 AND TRIED CALLING HIM AND EVERYTHING AND MUTHAF**KER JUST NEVER PICKED UP THE FONE ANYMORE..!! SO F**K HIM PEOPLE..!! JUST LOOKING AT HIM YOU CAN TELL THAT HE JUST A SORRY LIL BITCH TRYING TO FOOL PEOPLE TO MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY THAT F**KER..!! DIE SLOW BITCH..!!
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    ^^ Damn thats pretty harsh!

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    just go ahead and get the hate out your heart LOL

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    yep it is buyer beware. I picked up a oil pick up tube from a member on here and it was obvious the motor had spun a bearing. Just all kinds of trash inside of it. I only discovered it while cleaning the part as i usually do. The praticles were so far down the tube there was no way i was going to see that garbage in there. I could probably salvage it but why risk a fresh rebuild , just buy it new when the community can't supply a good used part.


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    Quote Originally Posted by civicturbo10 View Post
    yep it is buyer beware. I picked up a oil pick up tube from a member on here and it was obvious the motor had spun a bearing. Just all kinds of trash inside of it. I only discovered it while cleaning the part as i usually do. The praticles were so far down the tube there was no way i was going to see that garbage in there. I could probably salvage it but why risk a fresh rebuild , just buy it new when the community can't supply a good used part.
    Yeah, but it's kinda hard to tear apart a transmission right in the middle of the parking lot. It is possible, but kind of a pain in the ass. It's just one of those parts thats buyer beware, like buying a used engine from someone.

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    just buy it new when the community can't supply a good used part.
    lol i hope you aren't suggesting that I buy a brand new transmission...
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    I meant my part. It's a $40 part at the dealer so tried to get it used.


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    Quote Originally Posted by civicturbo10 View Post
    I meant my part. It's a $40 part at the dealer so tried to get it used.
    lol alright, i was about to say thats not really an option haha.
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    im curious as to what SS has to say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Te72Rob View Post
    im curious as to what SS has to say...
    Sorry to hear you got fucked Alan
    Yup, really curious as to what he's going to say too.

    The last thing he said to me before i made the thread was basically that all he's offering is $25 and i'm lucky he was even offering me that because i waited so long.

    So we will see.
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    i hope he comes in and makes this right he has helped me out alot
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    PER THE RULES ON IA YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU SELL.

    If you CLAIMED it was a B16 tranny, and it is NOT, then YOU lied or were misinformed. The old "well my buddy said it was a B16 tranny" is NOT AN EXCUSE.

    Either take responsibility for what you sold, OR DONT SELL ANYTHING AT ALL. You sold him a broken LS tranny, NOT a grinding B16 tranny.

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    Your for sale thread title should've read, "B Series tranny for sale" and followed with, "Unknown condition as well as unknown model. I was told it was a B16 transmission, although I can't confirm. The same with the condition. Buy at own risk"

    But I guess you didn't want to scare people off with the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catnip View Post
    Your for sale thread title should've read, "B Series tranny for sale" and followed with, "Unknown condition as well as unknown model. I was told it was a B16 transmission, although I can't confirm. The same with the condition. Buy at own risk"
    But I guess you didn't want to scare people off with the truth.
    exactly

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    IIRC, you were selling 2 trannys in the original thread. an LS tranny and a b16 tranny. You said that you were told it was a b16 tranny and it grinded 3rd gear, but you never had it on ur car so you couldn't say what condition it was in. You didn't say anything about the posibility of it being an LS tranny.

    And when i came to you and told you it was infact an LS tranny, you fought me tooth and nail and did not believe it was an LS tranny. You kept saying you got it from an Acura mechanic or something and that HE would know. Even after i told you I cracked open the case and counted the teeth, you still countered that by saying that you got it from an acura specialist and HE would know since he's een a million tranny's.


    Playing the whole "i was told it was something" card is bullshit. Like VtecKidd said:


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    If you CLAIMED it was a B16 tranny, and it is NOT, then YOU lied or were misinformed. The old "well my buddy said it was a B16 tranny" is NOT AN EXCUSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    PER THE RULES ON IA YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU SELL.

    If you CLAIMED it was a B16 tranny, and it is NOT, then YOU lied or were misinformed. The old "well my buddy said it was a B16 tranny" is NOT AN EXCUSE.

    Either take responsibility for what you sold, OR DONT SELL ANYTHING AT ALL. You sold him a broken LS tranny, NOT a grinding B16 tranny.

    Give him $50, its fair
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    I don't know either party, I'm new here, lol. But the fair thing would have been to just return the money and take back the tranny OR just give him how much hes asking. Is your reputation really worth $50? Come on dude, man up.

    Like the guy above stated, should of posted in the thread, you don't know what kind/condition the tranny is in. Couldn't you have looked on the VIN of the tranny? Did it have one at all? If you looked, it would of said DC4/DB7, if you have any knowledge about hondas, you would know it's a LS...lol.

    To sum it up, man up and give him the $50...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenDB7 View Post
    I don't know either party, I'm new here, lol. But the fair thing would have been to just return the money and take back the tranny OR just give him how much hes asking. Is your reputation really worth $50? Come on dude, man up.

    Like the guy above stated, should of posted in the thread, you don't know what kind/condition the tranny is in. Couldn't you have looked on the VIN of the tranny? Did it have one at all? If you looked, it would of said DC4/DB7, if you have any knowledge about hondas, you would know it's a LS...lol.

    To sum it up, man up and give him the $50...
    It doesn't work like that with cable trannys. both YS1 and S1 transmissions can be either an LS or a B16, the VIN is irrelevant to my knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa_Smurf View Post
    It doesn't work like that with cable trannys. both YS1 and S1 transmissions can be either an LS or a B16, the VIN is irrelevant to my knowledge.

    Regardless, when selling a transmission that you're not certain the model, how hard is it to pull the case and count teeth? Unless you're selling it for LS trans price (or lower) because there's that possibility of it being an LS trans, it should be torn apart to find out or not sold at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catnip View Post
    Regardless, when selling a transmission that you're not certain the model, how hard is it to pull the case and count teeth? Unless you're selling it for LS trans price (or lower) because there's that possibility of it being an LS trans, it should be torn apart to find out or not sold at all.
    I mean, he should know what he is selling, or atleast post that he doesn't know what it is...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa_Smurf View Post
    It doesn't work like that with cable trannys. both YS1 and S1 transmissions can be either an LS or a B16, the VIN is irrelevant to my knowledge.
    My fault, didn't know if it was a cable or hydro.

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    The reason you didn't hear anything about the tranny while we were talking about my build is because the tranny wasn't in my possession. i told you this numerous times. as soon as i got a chance to come back home, i took apart the tranny.

    The issue isn't the broken input shaft bearing. Like you said, i had that part laying around, not a big deal. The deal is that it's an LS tranny and not a b16 tranny like you said. certainly the price difference between an ls tranny and a b16 tranny is AT LEAST $50.

    And the reason i sent you that "threatening" message was because i sent you a message and you hadn't responded for a few days, when i could see that you had logged on after you checked that message, so to me it looked like you were avoiding me. sorry if that came off the wrong way, but i still feel like i hardly came across as harsh.


    And i've fully explained the situation to you. I only had a day to be home, so while it was apart, i fixed the tranny. I had to put the tranny back together anyways because I couldn't leave a tranny in pieces in my parents yard for numerous months before I could come back again.
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