Quote Originally Posted by Hulud

you asked me where i got my morals from, so i said what i think is best for teh community. and so if i think that not obeying the laws is best then i will do it ie. blacks were slaves, so others thought that wasnt right and they disobeyed the laws to make a better society
Where I lost you is that Religion dictates people's MORAL compass, not their earthy legal one.

How would following the "laws" here translate to religion? Right and wrong is not only defined by laws, but also by morals. As a matter of fact, there are more people that govern themselves according to their MORALS rather than written laws. Sometimes that's good, other times it's not. But that's the truth.




i was basically trying to say that i was disgusted with the church leaders and the christian beliefs. then you said i was judging all christians (which i wasnt) so thats where my apples and tires comment came from.
Yes you are. You have always said that religion was a farce and that it was a rip off and that it was fake. All those opinions you have formed because of your experience with a very LIMITED exposure of "churches" or "Christians". So what I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass judgement on ALL Christians based on a few. I'm not saying you're wrong in your belief. You feel what you feel. I am noone to argue that. But just don't glob everyone into the same dough because Religion is not a cookie cutter.



im still trying to figure out where i am judging anyone in this thread
I didn't say you were judging anyONE. I said you're judging "Christianity" based on a limited exposure and therefore you are passing judgement onto something based on the actions of few. Again, I'm not trying to argue if that's right nor wrong, but I'm just saying that you should at least recognize that's what you're doing.



i was simply stating what turned me off religion, which was the church leaders and the christian beliefs (dont agree with some of them)
Ok, I'll bite with you too.


What is it that you don't like about church "leaders"?

What is it that you don't agree with in a Christian belief system?