Evolution or Creation?

[Jaimecbr900]

How is reproduction tied into proving evolution exactly?

Even Adam and Eve had to reproduce to populate the world....?

I understand the loose point you are making about how "God" should just snap his fingers and things should merely happen, but that is another discussion all together. Couldn't we use the same loose knit argument that IF there really was a "big bang" or "single cell origination", how come there are no spontaneous species popping up or another "big bang" ever happened again? In other words, if we all evolved from mindless single cell organisms and mindless single celled organisms STILL exist today.....how come you don't see spontaneous copies of what happened billions of years ago? Are today's single celled organisms suddenly "smarter" than their ancestors???

IF God suddenly parted the sky and had a deep loud voice like in the movies and performed miracles daily, why wouldn't everyone "believe" then? Much like logical and real world, things don't get handed off to you without having to do something for it. In the religious realm and based on what you believe is what determines how much you have to "do" to get what you want. It's not a blind race. There is a road map, but it's only understandable if you READ the road map, otherwise it IS a blind race.

Point is that all non-believers have been waiting for the irrefutable "sign" for millenia. Again, it's a gamble everyone plays in their lifetime. Some choose to believe, while others don't. Just like any gamble, there are winners and there are losers. Everyone should place their bet on what they truly believe in their own heart regardless of what everyone else around them thinks.

This also applies to evolution and creationism IMO.

[metalman]

IF God suddenly parted the sky and had a deep loud voice like in the movies and performed miracles daily, why wouldn't everyone "believe" then? ....
Point is that all non-believers have been waiting for the irrefutable "sign" for millenia.

Sad thing is that if indeed God appeared Himself in person to declare His creation and prove His existence still MOST would choose not to believe for one reason or another. The primary reason being MAN DOESNT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY to a HIGHER AUTHORITY!

And IF one believes the Bible then the other sad fact is that by the time He does appear in person it will be too late, just like it was too late for those who didnt believe it would rain in Noahs day.

[4dmin]

Sad thing is that if indeed God appeared Himself in person to declare His creation and prove His existence still MOST would choose not to believe for one reason or another. The primary reason being MAN DOESNT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY to a HIGHER AUTHORITY!

And IF one believes the Bible then the other sad fact is that by the time He does appear in person it will be too late, just like it was too late for those who didnt believe it would rain in Noahs day.

this is fucking retarded now. THERE IS NO SPOON. Right.

[metalman]

this is fucking retarded now. THERE IS NO SPOON. Right.

If you have no response other then that I would suggest you have not much of a case for your opinion. Yet I support your right to believe whatever you wish. But...time will tell wont it.....

I must also say that some (perhaps you too, perhaps not) have asked the impossible.
That being....prove something that you will not aknowlege any proof for or have an open mind to even being a possibilty.

Sorta like if I drove up in a 65 Vette and stepped out telling you that its my car. To which you respond.."I dont believe it"
I say.."It is...I just drove up in it...I have had it for 2 years"
You say..."I dont believe it"
The problem isnt with the "proof" the problem is you dont accept it....just keep saying I dont believe.

This happens alot within the creation vs evolution discussion. People present science that leans well toward creation yet others just keep repeating..."I dont believe it".
Well fine...why ask for the proof then?????? Why ask for evidence that wont be considered?? Why ask for proof for a theory one will never believe in regardless OF the evidence??
Again, this may or may not be you but it IS the prevelant "argument" against creation as an origin of life. And its not much of one.

[Jaimecbr900]

If you have no response other then that I would suggest you have not much of a case for your opinion. Yet I support your right to believe whatever you wish. But...time will tell wont it.....

I must also say that some (perhaps you too, perhaps not) have asked the impossible.
That being....prove something that you will not aknowlege any proof for or have an open mind to even being a possibilty.

Sorta like if I drove up in a 65 Vette and stepped out telling you that its my car. To which you respond.."I dont believe it"
I say.."It is...I just drove up in it...I have had it for 2 years"
You say..."I dont believe it"
The problem isnt with the "proof" the problem is you dont accept it....just keep saying I dont believe.

This happens alot within the creation vs evolution discussion. People present science that leans well toward creation yet others just keep repeating..."I dont believe it".
Well fine...why ask for the proof then?????? Why ask for evidence that wont be considered?? Why ask for proof for a theory one will never believe in regardless OF the evidence??
Again, this may or may not be you but it IS the prevelant "argument" against creation as an origin of life. And its not much of one.

+1 billion for you for that comment right there.

I've been saying the exact same thing on this forum since it's beginning.

There have been many people that have presented evidence for everything from the accuracy of the Bible to whether or not Jesus even existed, yet at every turn someone tries to merely squash that by saying, "nope, I still don't believe...".

I said it before and I'll say it again....everyone has to make up their own mind what speaks to their hearts and what doesn't. "Proof", like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Proof for me may not be proof for Paul, yet it doesn't change the fact that I have reached a point where proof is no longer necessary for me to believe. He obviously hasn't got to the that same conclusion, which is fine.....for now . Judgement will only come once....ready or not......

[4dmin]

If you have no response other then that I would suggest you have not much of a case for your opinion. Yet I support your right to believe whatever you wish. But...time will tell wont it.....

I must also say that some (perhaps you too, perhaps not) have asked the impossible.
That being....prove something that you will not aknowlege any proof for or have an open mind to even being a possibilty.

Sorta like if I drove up in a 65 Vette and stepped out telling you that its my car. To which you respond.."I dont believe it"
I say.."It is...I just drove up in it...I have had it for 2 years"
You say..."I dont believe it"
The problem isnt with the "proof" the problem is you dont accept it....just keep saying I dont believe.

This happens alot within the creation vs evolution discussion. People present science that leans well toward creation yet others just keep repeating..."I dont believe it".
Well fine...why ask for the proof then?????? Why ask for evidence that wont be considered?? Why ask for proof for a theory one will never believe in regardless OF the evidence??
Again, this may or may not be you but it IS the prevelant "argument" against creation as an origin of life. And its not much of one.

you should really listen to yourself when you speak... i got respect for you on almost every topic but this. if you owned a vette you could prove it thats the point. Every heard of a title/insurance

YOU CAN NOT PROVE THAT YOU WERE BROUGHT HERE BY CREATION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BEGINING OF MAN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, PHYSICAL YOU.

Your parents are already apart of a process of adaptation which is evolution which then in return created you. There was not hand of creator involved in the process. If you can see it, touch it, then it is real. If there was no evolution to life we would all be sperm.

We can discuss this all day but i have given you all of the facts to support my stance, and i have repeadily asked you questions about ASEXUAL and REPORDUCTIVE ORGANS. You can still not tell me why we have such if we are all here individually by creation.

You have done nothing but twist the original question to prove your point of existance not the life cycle.

[NEONRACER]

Adam and Eve did not re-populate the world. According to the story they Had 2 sons and that was all. So here we have 3 men and 1 female and they are all family. Sounds like incest to me. It shouldn't matter what adam and eve did because their offspring were killed and the world was re-populated by Noah and his family which again is a story of incest. Creation and the stories of the bible don't add up, they say one thing and do another.

[metalman]

Adam and Eve did not re-populate the world. .

One smart thing you've said.
Youre right...they didnt RE populate it...they populated it.

Your failure to understand how two can make any number of offspring is beside the point. "Incest" as you put it...is a good thing...WHEN the species is perfect.

[metalman]

YOU CAN NOT PROVE THAT YOU WERE BROUGHT HERE BY CREATION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BEGINING OF MAN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, PHYSICAL YOU.

Well therein lies the problem. Its the origin of mankind/life that I am addressing. That is the only one that really matters.

Your parents are already apart of a process of adaptation which is evolution which then in return created you. There was not hand of creator involved in the process. If you can see it, touch it, then it is real. If there was no evolution to life we would all be sperm.

Here is where your logic falls flat. Sorry dude...it doesnt add up.
There is the hand of a creator in EVERY life, He is in fact the source of all life, He gave humans the sperm and all needed components to reproduce themselves in His image and by His power. Failure to recognize the source of that power is the problem. The Bible teaches this very clearly, and the scientific facts as I have previously stated, back up the Bible account of Creation and origin of life & reproduction exactly as outlined in Genesis. Although a measure of faith is needed there is plenty of evidence for anyone WILLING to SEE.
The very miraculous nature of human reproduction, the numerous delicate perfectly balanced systems involved in that alone, ALL point to ITELLIGENT DESIGN of that process and a Creator God who gives the universe its life.

[Jaimecbr900]

you should really listen to yourself when you speak... i got respect for you on almost every topic but this. if you owned a vette you could prove it thats the point. Every heard of a title/insurance

YOU CAN NOT PROVE THAT YOU WERE BROUGHT HERE BY CREATION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BEGINING OF MAN I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, PHYSICAL YOU.

Your parents are already apart of a process of adaptation which is evolution which then in return created you. There was not hand of creator involved in the process. If you can see it, touch it, then it is real. If there was no evolution to life we would all be sperm.

We can discuss this all day but i have given you all of the facts to support my stance, and i have repeadily asked you questions about ASEXUAL and REPORDUCTIVE ORGANS. You can still not tell me why we have such if we are all here individually by creation.

You have done nothing but twist the original question to prove your point of existance not the life cycle.

But wait....that is completely different than someone saying they believe in one or the other. What you are inferring there is that TODAY we "evolve" and reproduce as humans, but how is THAT related to the beginning of time?

The Evolution vs Creation argument is based on the beginning of time, not today.

[4dmin]

But wait....that is completely different than someone saying they believe in one or the other. What you are inferring there is that TODAY we "evolve" and reproduce as humans, but how is THAT related to the beginning of time?

The Evolution vs Creation argument is based on the beginning of time, not today.

your still taking out of context the original question at hand... THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE FROG? Where did i ask how the frog got here? I dont' give a shit about BIG BANG, GOD, whatever... i asked about the on going LIFE CYCLE. If you can't see that there is evolution at hand in that photo i posted then you are blind.

[Jaimecbr900]

Sad thing is that if indeed God appeared Himself in person to declare His creation and prove His existence still MOST would choose not to believe for one reason or another. The primary reason being MAN DOESNT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY to a HIGHER AUTHORITY!

And IF one believes the Bible then the other sad fact is that by the time He does appear in person it will be too late, just like it was too late for those who didnt believe it would rain in Noahs day.

The funny thing is that I almost typed the exact same response a little while ago. I was trying to show how people always want this full proof "sign" in order to fully commit to the idea of "God", but yet by the time that "sign" shows up it will be too late.