Evolution or Creation?

[metalman]

... you guys are blinded by faith.

I dont think its any faith thats the issue here...its the lack of any compelling information in your argument that leads to others remaining unconvinced.
You simply have shown that life can be re-created/reproduced from one cell, one egg, one embryo etc etc. That is ALL in complete harmony with a creative origin of the FIRST CELL/LIFEFORM...period. The subsequent adaptation, reproduction, etc etc of lifeforms is not itself at all compelling as evidence for non creative origin of those lifeforms...which is the central thesis of evolutuon.

[4dmin]

I dont think its any faith thats the issue here...its the lack of any compelling information in your argument that leads to others remaining unconvinced.
You simply have shown that life can be re-created/reproduced from one cell, one egg, one embryo etc etc. That is ALL in complete harmony with a creative origin of the FIRST CELL/LIFEFORM...period. The subsequent adaptation, reproduction, etc etc of lifeforms is not itself at all compelling as evidence for non creative origin of those lifeforms...which is the central thesis of evolutuon.

^ what are you babbling about? you are doing everything possible to not use the word evolution so your not wrong. Adaptaion and reproduction is evolution. Like i said you can call it what you want but its evolution; you still to answer 3 question i've brought up about reproduction.

Also the BIG BANG i guess you forgot that, its about as proven as Creation.

[metalman]

^ what are you babbling about? you are doing everything possible to not use the word evolution so your not wrong. Adaptaion and reproduction is evolution. Like i said you can call it what you want but its evolution; you still to answer 3 question i've brought up about reproduction.

Also the BIG BANG i guess you forgot that, its about as proven as Creation.

I have already acknowleged evolution in that form more then once.

Big bang proven??? Something (cells/lifeforms from NOTHING)LOLOLOLOLOL......yeahhhhhhhhh right. Now youre cracking me up!!
Talk about faith!! And...HOPE! Better have ALOT of faith in scientists who want you to use carbon dating for time measurments when such has been proven to be less accurate then a broken clock with no hands!

Yet...in another sense they may be right...in Genesis God spoke...and BANG it was! Hows that for a big bang??

[4dmin]

I have already acknowleged evolution in that form more then once.

Big bang proven??? Something (cells/lifeforms from NOTHING)LOLOLOLOLOL......yeahhhhhhhhh right. Now youre cracking me up!!
Talk about faith!! And...HOPE! Better have ALOT of faith in scientists who want you to use carbon dating for time measurments when such has been proven to be less accurate then a broken clock with no hands!

Yet...in another sense they may be right...in Genesis God spoke...and BANG it was! Hows that for a big bang??

Big bang was a joke tard, much as the idea of the Creation you are grasping hold of... i guess your god is like a magician he just pulled everything out of a hat. thats how you got here right? Creation can't be proven any further than a book written by man that is not even 2000 years old. :jerkit:

[metalman]

Big bang was a joke tard, much as the idea of the Creation you are grasping hold of... i guess your god is like a magician he just pulled everything out of a hat. thats how you got here right? Creation can't be proven any further than a book written by man that is not even 2000 years old. :jerkit:

Youre free to whatever opinion you wish to hold.
The only thing I will repeat to you is this....there is MORE scientific evidence for a god that pulled the universe out of a hat then for a universe that "evolved" from nothing. Period.

Which brings us full circle to another discussion....it takes MORE faith to believe in evolutionary theory then creation theory...based upon the evidence.

[4dmin]

Which brings us full circle to another discussion....it takes MORE faith to believe in evolutionary theory then creation theory...based upon the evidence.

OK, there was a simple question presented and you have still have yet to prove the fact that a life cycle is creation.

[Jaimecbr900]

How is reproduction tied into proving evolution exactly?

Even Adam and Eve had to reproduce to populate the world....?

I understand the loose point you are making about how "God" should just snap his fingers and things should merely happen, but that is another discussion all together. Couldn't we use the same loose knit argument that IF there really was a "big bang" or "single cell origination", how come there are no spontaneous species popping up or another "big bang" ever happened again? In other words, if we all evolved from mindless single cell organisms and mindless single celled organisms STILL exist today.....how come you don't see spontaneous copies of what happened billions of years ago? Are today's single celled organisms suddenly "smarter" than their ancestors???

IF God suddenly parted the sky and had a deep loud voice like in the movies and performed miracles daily, why wouldn't everyone "believe" then? Much like logical and real world, things don't get handed off to you without having to do something for it. In the religious realm and based on what you believe is what determines how much you have to "do" to get what you want. It's not a blind race. There is a road map, but it's only understandable if you READ the road map, otherwise it IS a blind race.

Point is that all non-believers have been waiting for the irrefutable "sign" for millenia. Again, it's a gamble everyone plays in their lifetime. Some choose to believe, while others don't. Just like any gamble, there are winners and there are losers. Everyone should place their bet on what they truly believe in their own heart regardless of what everyone else around them thinks.

This also applies to evolution and creationism IMO.

[metalman]

IF God suddenly parted the sky and had a deep loud voice like in the movies and performed miracles daily, why wouldn't everyone "believe" then? ....
Point is that all non-believers have been waiting for the irrefutable "sign" for millenia.

Sad thing is that if indeed God appeared Himself in person to declare His creation and prove His existence still MOST would choose not to believe for one reason or another. The primary reason being MAN DOESNT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY to a HIGHER AUTHORITY!

And IF one believes the Bible then the other sad fact is that by the time He does appear in person it will be too late, just like it was too late for those who didnt believe it would rain in Noahs day.

[4dmin]

Sad thing is that if indeed God appeared Himself in person to declare His creation and prove His existence still MOST would choose not to believe for one reason or another. The primary reason being MAN DOESNT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY to a HIGHER AUTHORITY!

And IF one believes the Bible then the other sad fact is that by the time He does appear in person it will be too late, just like it was too late for those who didnt believe it would rain in Noahs day.

this is fucking retarded now. THERE IS NO SPOON. Right.

[metalman]

this is fucking retarded now. THERE IS NO SPOON. Right.

If you have no response other then that I would suggest you have not much of a case for your opinion. Yet I support your right to believe whatever you wish. But...time will tell wont it.....

I must also say that some (perhaps you too, perhaps not) have asked the impossible.
That being....prove something that you will not aknowlege any proof for or have an open mind to even being a possibilty.

Sorta like if I drove up in a 65 Vette and stepped out telling you that its my car. To which you respond.."I dont believe it"
I say.."It is...I just drove up in it...I have had it for 2 years"
You say..."I dont believe it"
The problem isnt with the "proof" the problem is you dont accept it....just keep saying I dont believe.

This happens alot within the creation vs evolution discussion. People present science that leans well toward creation yet others just keep repeating..."I dont believe it".
Well fine...why ask for the proof then?????? Why ask for evidence that wont be considered?? Why ask for proof for a theory one will never believe in regardless OF the evidence??
Again, this may or may not be you but it IS the prevelant "argument" against creation as an origin of life. And its not much of one.

[Jaimecbr900]

Sad thing is that if indeed God appeared Himself in person to declare His creation and prove His existence still MOST would choose not to believe for one reason or another. The primary reason being MAN DOESNT WANT ACCOUNTABILITY to a HIGHER AUTHORITY!

And IF one believes the Bible then the other sad fact is that by the time He does appear in person it will be too late, just like it was too late for those who didnt believe it would rain in Noahs day.

The funny thing is that I almost typed the exact same response a little while ago. I was trying to show how people always want this full proof "sign" in order to fully commit to the idea of "God", but yet by the time that "sign" shows up it will be too late.