Jalopnik writes Transformers 4 copied Vengeance Camaro. Isn't this a GA built car?

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I'm real surprised that you all came down on him the way you did. You guys especially Vteckid and Julio.

Everyone in this thread is a car guy, or at least looks like they are. You ALL build machines, some good, some great and some not so great. The fact of the matter is....they coped his shit. Right down to the smallest detail. And I will tell you why.

If you don't know, I do stunts for tv and film. My truck that I posted on here, the old Ford truck with the Zombie hunting paint, was down on the set of The Walking Dead. I watched, and spoke to, the production designer of that show when he came out to my truck with a camera and paint chips. He 360 degree photographed it, matched up the paint and copied it right down to the roof rack. I talked to him while he was doing it and told him it was for sale. He didn't bite.

A few weeks later I was down there doing a stunt and voilah!...the Governers vehicles are all lined up in the picture car lot and they all look just like mine. Fancy that. I asked about it and was told that it was the basis for the vehicles. Now I thought, "Cool. my shits in a show"

Fast forward a bit and I was down there again with my new vehicle. Out comes this guy again...some friends of mine told me. They were going to do the same thing again. Dunno if it happened, haven't seen any of the new vehicles. But it happens. Now it isn't so cool anymore that my shit is just "In a show" cause i'm in the show. Now knowing when they spend, how they spend and how much they spend or spend to rent other vehicles, I don't think it's right to just copy it. At least give credit.

Some production designer saw his car on the internet, printed out a photo and stuck it on some pegboard. They showed it to the higher up and they said "Yes! That's it" Then they gave the info to the picture car guys and they built it. I have sat in on those meetings, i've seen it happen. Nobody ever thought to talk to Vengeance. Odds are they didn't even read the article until they needed the specifications on the car...which they copied right down to the exact wheels and sizes. They just don't think that far ahead.
You can say "Don't put it on the net if you don't want it copied" And that's all well and good...when it's not a major movie studio doing the copying. Vtec, I am 99% sure you would be on the net screaming foul if someone copied a build you did, right down to the smallest detail, and drove it to a meet claiming they did it, not giving you an ounce of credit. Same with you Julio, same with anyone in the car community. If someone copied your site, graphics for this site and put their own up, I am sure you wouldn't let it sit. But somehow it's different because it's a movie. He should be happy for his little bit of fame. Lol riiiight.

Vengeance is Atlanta, we used to stick by our own. The least they can do is give him credit, and if he contacts them, I bet you they will along with money. I've seen them do much more for less.

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I'm real surprised that you all came down on him the way you did. You guys especially Vteckid and Julio.

Everyone in this thread is a car guy, or at least looks like they are. You ALL build machines, some good, some great and some not so great. The fact of the matter is....they coped his shit. Right down to the smallest detail. And I will tell you why.

If you don't know, I do stunts for tv and film. My truck that I posted on here, the old Ford truck with the Zombie hunting paint, was down on the set of The Walking Dead. I watched, and spoke to, the production designer of that show when he came out to my truck with a camera and paint chips. He 360 degree photographed it, matched up the paint and copied it right down to the roof rack. I talked to him while he was doing it and told him it was for sale. He didn't bite.

A few weeks later I was down there doing a stunt and voilah!...the Governers vehicles are all lined up in the picture car lot and they all look just like mine. Fancy that. I asked about it and was told that it was the basis for the vehicles. Now I thought, "Cool. my shits in a show"

Fast forward a bit and I was down there again with my new vehicle. Out comes this guy again...some friends of mine told me. They were going to do the same thing again. Dunno if it happened, haven't seen any of the new vehicles. But it happens. Now it isn't so cool anymore that my shit is just "In a show" cause i'm in the show. Now knowing when they spend, how they spend and how much they spend or spend to rent other vehicles, I don't think it's right to just copy it. At least give credit.

Some production designer saw his car on the internet, printed out a photo and stuck it on some pegboard. They showed it to the higher up and they said "Yes! That's it" Then they gave the info to the picture car guys and they built it. I have sat in on those meetings, i've seen it happen. Nobody ever thought to talk to Vengeance. Odds are they didn't even read the article until they needed the specifications on the car...which they copied right down to the exact wheels and sizes. They just don't think that far ahead.
You can say "Don't put it on the net if you don't want it copied" And that's all well and good...when it's not a major movie studio doing the copying. Vtec, I am 99% sure you would be on the net screaming foul if someone copied a build you did, right down to the smallest detail, and drove it to a meet claiming they did it, not giving you an ounce of credit. Same with you Julio, same with anyone in the car community. If someone copied your site, graphics for this site and put their own up, I am sure you wouldn't let it sit. But somehow it's different because it's a movie. He should be happy for his little bit of fame. Lol riiiight.

Vengeance is Atlanta, we used to stick by our own. The least they can do is give him credit, and if he contacts them, I bet you they will along with money. I've seen them do much more for less.

You typed all that, and all I said was, " Don't see the big deal ". Owner of the car should be flattered, if not, get a lawyer..

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You typed all that, and all I said was, " Don't see the big deal ". Owner of the car should be flattered, if not, get a lawyer..

I am glad you read the part that was aimed at you. The rest wasn't. So I typed all that for not only you. What I am about to type is partly for your eyes, but not wholly. This part is however. He should in no way be flattered because the people copying it don't give a shit about the car, they only copied it to make money. Plain and simple. If you think Transformers 4 is anything other than a money making venture, you are sadly mistaken. It will take one day on set with a Line Producer to become quite aware of how much it is about money. As for your lawyer comment, he should get a lawyer, though he probably won't need one because the mere hint of one will do what is needed and if he did get one, he would most likely win for more than one reason.

1. ANY lawsuit filed against a motion picture for creative license halts the films release while they fight it. So while they have an army of attorneys, they still have to halt release until it is settled. That is why there is a person whose job it is on a film to make sure everything artistic related is cleared. Any stoppage of a motion picture, be it a day, or a month, costs the studio an insane amount of money. I can't remember the exact amount but it is something like 50k to 70 for every hour or so on a big budget film that the camera is rolling. It's ridiculous. To halt production is even worse. And the very worse is to have the movie in the can, sitting on a shelf ready to open worldwide and have to fight some small time lawsuit over the creative license of a car no matter if they win it or not. Costs too much money.

2. It costs WAY more to fight the case than it does to just toss him a few thousand dollars and get him to go away quietly. It's dollars and cents. There was a guy in L.A. who rode around with a backpack blower, a leaf blower, from set to set and as soon as they started to film he would fire it up. When they asked him to stop he said no because he would miss his route. They would pay him hundreds of dollars just to get him to go away. He packed up and went on to the next one. Made a living that way. People out there knew him and had money ready when he showed up so there was no downtime. That's how it works.

As for his car being just a Camaro with fender flares, the car is way more than just a Camaro with fender flares, the article stated how very much more than that it is. That comment was from sheer ignorance. Besides, it doesn't really matter what it has on it, it was HIS. He made it HIS way and it was copied right down to the very last detail. So what if it is a car. It's his car. Nobody in this thread, no matter how big they talk about this and that, would not scream foul if another scrub in the scene ripped off their style. Only this is radically different because the people who ripped it off stand to make a boat load of money off of the ripping off of his car. Toys, bedsheets, T-shirts and the list goes on and on. It was wrong to do it and not even bother to contact him.

I am still amazed that people are clowning on him for standing up for his stuff. The guy is an artist, he makes his money off of his creative license. I am going to venture a guess that not many of the people in here do their living that way. It makes sense if they don't.
Anyway, sad to see people clowning for no other reason that to ruffle feathers. Sad indeed.