U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

[StreetHazard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9sPTR-nMds

This is something that is fairly easy to see in our conflicts in the middle east, but is not really talked about...also not easily "proved" because of the military's policy seems to present a constitutional paradox in that the First Amendment's Establishment Clause restricts the government's authority to fund and endorse religion, yet we see it violating these laws as easily as breathing in and out. I suppose Islam and Christianity are both religions of "peace" if it can ever be attained through killing and waging wars in the name of god, by all appearances this means the U.S. military is engaging in a religious war.

But Trijicon does make some very nice sights!

[Glides]

Yea I saw this too. My immediate reaction was, "Who cares".

Then I thought about it and I have to say it's a bit sickening. Christianity is already the one thing responsible for more wartime deaths than any other and now a company, who we are paying BILLIONS too, is taking it upon themselves to wage a Holy War against Muslims.

No matter who tries to justify this, it is just that, a Holy War against Muslims. We are putting Bible Scriptures on the sights that help our soldiers kill Muslims. Pretty shitty and i'm ashamed to say I live in the USA on this one.

I personally think the Muslim religion is a shithole that dismisses and often encourages violence against women, children and anyone they see as not belonging. But for us to wage a war without persecution, we cannot allow this to continue.

[One_Bad_SHO]

Geezus. Only in America would something like this be an issue. Fucking liberals.

[Glides]

Geezus. Only in America would something like this be an issue. Fucking liberals.

Interesting. That's a pretty ignorant statement you just made there.

It's NOT just America that brought the issue up. It's the Muslims it bothers the most, not too mention other countries that see it as a Religious Statement. But I can see the selfishness in your post. See the Muslims see this as an encroachment on their religious beliefs. There were also crates and crates of the Bible translated into Arabic to be passed out as well. When you add that to the Scopes that allow Christians to kill Muslims, they tend to get a little upset.

So you might try using your mind for more than Import Atlanta and see things from the other side before you toss out comments like this. They just make you look ignorant in others eyes.

[One_Bad_SHO]

Womp womp womp.

I am Ahmed the jihad-inclined Muslim and I hear about Jesus guns. Do I wait for someone like you to give me a well-reasoned explanation about why the Bible quotes are contextually relevant, or is this what pushes me over the edge causing me to declare death to the infidels and sign up with Al-Qaeda? I'm pretty sure Ahmed the Jihadist really doesn't need the Jesus Guns as a prime motivation to sign up for the chance to get those 72 virgins. It HELPS, but the chance of it being especially significant are relatively small. I co-sign that shit.

Aside from the fact that it is against military policy to endorse one religion over another and the whole separation of church and state bla bla bla, its not THAT big of a deal. Yes, its wrong (legally). However, as a soldier all I care about is that my weapon is on target. If anything, this “secret code” is there to remind those that are viewing the business-end of the weapon to say their fucking prayers. Pardon me for not giving a rats ass how my weapon makes Ahmed and his family feel while they fight us in this “religious war.” This is my opinion.

[Glides]

Womp womp womp.

I am Ahmed the jihad-inclined Muslim and I hear about Jesus guns. Do I wait for someone like you to give me a well-reasoned explanation about why the Bible quotes are contextually relevant, or is this what pushes me over the edge causing me to declare death to the infidels and sign up with Al-Qaeda? I'm pretty sure Ahmed the Jihadist really doesn't need the Jesus Guns as a prime motivation to sign up for the chance to get those 72 virgins. It HELPS, but the chance of it being especially significant are relatively small. I co-sign that shit.

Aside from the fact that it is against military policy to endorse one religion over another and the whole separation of church and state bla bla bla, its not THAT big of a deal. Yes, its wrong (legally). However, as a soldier all I care about is that my weapon is on target. If anything, this “secret code” is there to remind those that are viewing the business-end of the weapon to say their fucking prayers. Pardon me for not giving a rats ass how my weapon makes Ahmed and his family feel while they fight us in this “religious war.” This is my opinion.

Is Womp womp womp supposed to be some introduction to greatness?

You see, it's good that the informed and intelligent world does not share your thoughts on this. Since you think locally, let me enlighten you on how to think Globally.

You are correct, Ahmed the Jihadist and his family do not need a "Jesus Gun" reason to fight the Americans. I'll agree with you there. Also, yes, Soldiers care about their weapon being on target. I will agree with you there as well. Unfortunately, all soldiers are NOT like you. There are some like you, some like me, some are Christian nutcases like other people. So to put these on there only does one thing on a Global stage. Can you guess what that is?

Let me help you. Propoganda!. It gives the Muslims something to draw other Muslims into this fight with. You see, now America is attacking their religion. So people who might not have gotten into the fight will damm sure do it now because we are not attacking the Taliban for being Terrorists....we are attacking their God, their Prophet. So all that does is make the war worse and make more Americans die. Kind of counter productive of what it was meant to do yes? Save American lives?

I remember a time when we, as Soldiers, were almost attacked by an angry mob in Turkey because one of our people had a cruise jacket on with a Jewish flag on it. They sure as shit knew why they were angry, we....were not. And not knowing that almost got us lynched. Thank god for a bystander that got us in a cab and out of there before we got fucked up. We were ignorant to the rest of the world....because that is how the rest of the world views Americans, Ignorant.

You will also remember...or you won't, who knows, that most people in the Third World are not as distant from Religion like they are here. Where we probably wouldn't care if there were passages from the Kuran on their weapons, they will care greatly. It will cause their non-combatants to become angered with America and when, or if, you decide to travel abroad....it will be one more reason for them to hate America and knife you in a dark alley somewhere.

Now if you don't ever decide to travel, it's ignorant of you to say what you said because all this does is endanger Americans abroad and make us look worse in the eyes of the world. You may say, "Who cares, we are America. We are the baddest on the planet".

Ceasar said the same thing, so did Ghengis Khan and so did Alexander the Great along with Napolean, Hitler and Pol Pot.....I rest my case.

[Got Milk?]

Yea I saw this too. My immediate reaction was, "Who cares".

Then I thought about it and I have to say it's a bit sickening. Christianity is already the one thing responsible for more wartime deaths than any other and now a company, who we are paying BILLIONS too, is taking it upon themselves to wage a Holy War against Muslims.

No matter who tries to justify this, it is just that, a Holy War against Muslims. We are putting Bible Scriptures on the sights that help our soldiers kill Muslims. Pretty shitty and i'm ashamed to say I live in the USA on this one.

I personally think the Muslim religion is a shithole that dismisses and often encourages violence against women, children and anyone they see as not belonging. But for us to wage a war without persecution, we cannot allow this to continue.

There is religion, than there is culture.

In Quran it actually states that everyone should be treated equally, suicide is a sin, and so much other stuff those Eastern muslims do is against Islam. I hate most of Eastern "muslims", they just give the rest of the muslims people in the world a bad name.


You guys should understand that what eastern arabs, somalians "muslims" do over there is not based on religion of Islam, but its bassed on their culture. I put quotes on the muslim part because those are not muslims, they break about every rule and way of Islam.

Most things they do, like beat their women, commit suicide bombing, all that is against the religion of Islam, and based on Quran, it will send you straight to hell.

I know most of you don't give a shit about what I just wrote, but I hate when people mix culture ways with religion ways.

I always tried to educated people about Islam, but they just don't wanna hear it.

[5speed]

There is religion, than there is culture.

In Quran it actually states that everyone should be treated equally, suicide is a sin, and so much other stuff those Eastern muslims do is against Islam. I hate most of Eastern "muslims", they just give the rest of the muslims people in the world a bad name.


You guys should understand that what eastern arabs, somalians "muslims" do over there is not based on religion of Islam, but its bassed on their culture. I put quotes on the muslim part because those are not muslims, they break about every rule and way of Islam.

Most things they do, like beat their women, commit suicide bombing, all that is against the religion of Islam, and based on Quran, it will send you straight to hell.

I know most of you don't give a shit about what I just wrote, but I hate when people mix culture ways with religion ways.

I always tried to educated people about Islam, but they just don't wanna hear it.

Thank you, I think everyone needed that. Same goes for Christianity.

[StreetHazard]

I actually agree with both of you...So I am not sure where I stand in the matter. By far Trijicon makes the best sights and scopes available to mankind, and they ARE a private company, they are free to label their products however they see fit and in whichever way they desire, which is just another example of what makes this country so great.

I just have a problem with their use as a "context" of religious warfare. It can also be used to exemplify the dangers of the fanatical religious mind and the destruction those ideas produce. Christian and Islamic

[Glides]

COMPREHEND what you read, kid, and we wouldn't be going in circles.

And here...is where you lost me. You do realize, or you would if you paid attention to who you were talking too. I'm 14 years older than you.

Interesting that you keep trying to make me understand that this is your OPINION.....when i'm giving you my OPINION. That is what a debate is about. I debate nicely while you slide in nicely veiled shots at Arabs. You rock!. Way to spread hate in your opinions.

Once again. Like I said early on in this debate. Ignorance is your best weapon. You exude it like sweat from your skin. Your parents taught you well.

[One_Bad_SHO]

And here...is where you lost me. You do realize, or you would if you paid attention to who you were talking too. I'm 14 years older than you.

Interesting that you keep trying to make me understand that this is your OPINION.....when i'm giving you my OPINION. That is what a debate is about. I debate nicely while you slide in nicely veiled shots at Arabs. You rock!. Way to spread hate in your opinions.

Once again. Like I said early on in this debate. Ignorance is your best weapon. You exude it like sweat from your skin. Your parents taught you well.

"Kid" was not meant to be taken literally. I can edit my post and insert *cupcake* and it would hold the same weight in water.

Once again, if you could COMPREHEND what you read, you'd understand that I realize you are giving an opinion which should have been apparant when I wrote: "As stated earlier, my OPINION differs from yours in that..." Circles. We're going in circles here!

Last but not least, you make the mistake of taking my humor for ignorance. I have no hatred towards Muslims. I respect your wrong opinions and your right to spew them.

[Glides]

"Kid" was not meant to be taken literally. I can edit my post and insert *cupcake* and it would hold the same weight in water.

Once again, if you could COMPREHEND what you read, you'd understand that I realize you are giving an opinion which should have been apparant when I wrote: "As stated earlier, my OPINION differs from yours in that..." Circles. We're going in circles here!

Last but not least, you make the mistake of taking my humor for ignorance. I have no hatred towards Muslims. I respect your wrong opinions and your right to spew them.

I fought for your right too give your opinion, so spew it all you want.

I mistake your humor for hatred, when you aim it at someone it's pretty easy to do so. You keep saying to comprehend what you are saying. That's how I comprehend it and I am sure I would not be alone.

But, like I said, say what you will. It's the American way.

[One_Bad_SHO]

I fought for your right too give your opinion, so spew it all you want.

I mistake your humor for hatred, when you aim it at someone it's pretty easy to do so. You keep saying to comprehend what you are saying. That's how I comprehend it and I am sure I would not be alone.

But, like I said, say what you will. It's the American way.

Thank you for your service. Thank you for fighting for my rights. I'll take it from here. As a soldier, I will continue to fight for my rights. TEAMWORK!

You have been calling me ignorant this whole thread. Lets not get into a pissing match because nothing here is personal. Unless you are muslim, none of my quips could be taken personally. Cry me a river.

[Glides]

Thank you for your service. Thank you for fighting for my rights. I'll take it from here. As a soldier, I will continue to fight for my rights. TEAMWORK!

You have been calling me ignorant this whole thread. Lets not get into a pissing match because nothing here is personal. Unless you are muslim, none of my quips could be taken personally. Cry me a river.

My pleasure.

Also, I don't take this personal, but I understand that others might. You don't seem to get that point so therefore it must not matter. Since i'm not Muslim, it's makes it ok for you to say it. That....is a prime example of Ignorance. Or it could be Apathy. "Hey, i'm not Muslim so who gives a shit what Muslims think"

[Starrfire]

Fuking gay. That's a different way to spread Christianity, with bullets lol.

[StreetHazard]

Fuking gay. That's a different way to spread Christianity, with bullets lol.

OH! like etching scripture on bullets and dipping them in holy water. Now that's how you hunt werewolves and vampires since we are talking about supernatural beings...

[Starrfire]

OH! like etching scripture on bullets and dipping them in holy water. Now that's how you hunt werewolves and vampires since we are talking about supernatural beings...

That makes me wonder. I was going to buy some trijicon illuminated sights, or some meprolites. Maybe the trijicons will be the front sight dot as a cross lol. Very subtle how they did it though. Really trying hard to push the belief when you put it on a mass produced product to kill people. If I did have a problem with it I'd file it off and paint it back black.

[RandomGuy]

I agree with Glides COMPLETELY

couldn't articulated it better myself so I'm just going to read this thread,

intelligent exchange going on here

[5speed]

Hmmm... Its doesnt really matter now. The only reason we are at war with them is because the terrorist were initiating a Holy War or using that as a propaganda to give reason for war. The scriptures on the the weapons aren't anything new. They have been doing it for awhile, and there are only problems rising up now? Of course it could be used as propaganda against the U.S.A by saying that we are trying to oppress Christianity on them. This has been a problem in history for VERY VERY long time. It's not going to be made worse after thousands of years of turmoil. The only thing that gets worse is warfare because technology has changed. My only problem with it is that it is illegal and there should always be regulation on that.

[bu villain]

Both parties are at fault here but probably more so the government. The business should have made it clear that they make sights with scripture references on them and then the goverment should have asked them to not put it on the ones they buy. Since it is now after the fact, they should simply require that all future purchases don't contain them and switch out the old ones. Problem solved! Not that difficult was it?

[mushroom_toy]

Question: Will scripture sights be more accurate?


Jk, was gonna jump in on this convo, but I dont think I will right now anyway lol.

[apex2305]

But to make sure it is understood. I think its cool that they are written on the scope, but I understand its a terrible image for our country. People already SWEAR we are waging a holy war against islam............we dont need anything else for the propaganda, brain washing terrorists to be able to show as an example to recruit people. Every time they get low on numbers they find anything and everything they can to point out to young impressionable kids that this IS in fact a holy war, that they MUST fight for their god. And I believe the less we give them, the better. Will this stop them from recruiting, no, will they find something else, hell yes. But why give them more ammo? If a soldier wants to inscribe something on their weapon, more power to them, but to have a mass produced item that basically shows that the gov't is behind it, thats not what we need to help our cause. All my brothers and sisters are in the armed forces one way or the other, so trust me when i say I understand a need for religion on the battlefield, but like i said, we have to be more thoughtful to not give them something else to fight for. Just imagine al-jazeera right now. All they can talk about is shit like this, when they can't find anything, they make crap up, at least we can disprove some of it, but this, how do we dispute it?

[mushroom_toy]

Next Up: We shall now lobbest thy holy hand grenade.

[ahabion]

You know... I was driving down the interstate today and saw somebody with a Darwin fish sticker on their bumper. I said to myself... "Oh miGosh! How dare they?!" and then to make things worse... there was a South Carolina driver with a Clemson paw on their back windshield... "Oh miGosh! How dare they?!"

Put whatever you want on the gun... if I'm using it, I'm going to fire any gun for it's intended use... to shoot something. Woopty doo... stop crying and evolve.

[5speed]

I think people should learn a good deal of history before they start posting in here.

[bdydrpdmazda]

who fucking cares what is written on the side of our sights? some people act like it is a different sight because it has some sort of secret code on the side of it. What is engraved on the sights or weapons we use doesnt change anything. it just gives religion haters something to whine and complain about. People make it out like we are out shooting random people when really all we are trying to do here is protect our selves and the innocent people of the countries we are protecting. I have comment on the way i feel about the wars we are fighting and I wont ever post one on here but if the company making these sights wants to put these "secret codes" on the weapons they make it is their right to do so. they are the ones making them and the US is buying them as they are.

[bu villain]

who fucking cares what is written on the side of our sights? some people act like it is a different sight because it has some sort of secret code on the side of it. What is engraved on the sights or weapons we use doesnt change anything. it just gives religion haters something to whine and complain about. People make it out like we are out shooting random people when really all we are trying to do here is protect our selves and the innocent people of the countries we are protecting. I have comment on the way i feel about the wars we are fighting and I wont ever post one on here but if the company making these sights wants to put these "secret codes" on the weapons they make it is their right to do so. they are the ones making them and the US is buying them as they are.

Some of us actually want to follow the intent of the constitution. You know, the whole government not promoting any certain religion thing. Kinda important.

[StreetHazard]

Question: Will scripture sights be more accurate?


Jk, was gonna jump in on this convo, but I dont think I will right now anyway lol.

Next Up: We shall now lobbest thy holy hand grenade.

reps!

[mushroom_toy]

reps!

Lolol thanks haha. I was hoping at least someone would get the 2nd one.

[geoff]

the U.S. secretly campaigning a Holy war? lolololololololololololol. please do show me where this American government promotes christianity? please show me one time where Obama has said a prayer in Jesus name or any other member of our government. In TRUE christianity there is no such thing as a Holy war. My Jesus tells me to love my enemies and not to kill. this has nothing to do with religion. there are one of two things going on here....

a. the american government really doesnt care whats on the scope or any other piece of military equiptment, they simply buy tools that get the job done, and someone came along and got their feelings hurt cuz they saw this scripture and turned it into some Holy war crap.

b. the american government knows exactly what is going on and is using it as a cover and trying to make people hate christians. prophecy in my bible says that this will happen and it seems to be unfolding right along.

either way, the american government doesnt care about God, Jesus, Muhamed, Allah, or any other thing to do with religion. its all about getting what they want done.

[Total_Blender]

This is the kinda shit you have to deal with you give contracts to the lowest bidder

[Dietcoke]

This is the kinda shit you have to deal with you give contracts to the lowest bidder

You sir, are an idiot. Trijicon's ACOG sights are the best money can buy for their intended purpose. And no, no one gives a shit about the serial numbers. My job in the army is supervising a weapons shop attached to 4-9 infantry, and in the 5 years I've been in, I've never noticed or cared about the serial numbers, and neither has anyone else in my chain of command.

Lowest bidder is a fucking ignorant statement, seeing as the ACOG patent is held by one company, and trust me, there are less fine examples of sights in use in the Army but everyone wants either one of these for all around use, or a holo sight for CQM. Wonder why that is? The Iraqi army here loves them too. Trust me when I tell you that these guys could really give a crap less about numbers on the side, compared to form or function. They are envious of our weapons, not offended by them.

[Glides]

Hmm. I think 90% of the people in here missed the entire jist of why this is such a big deal.

I personally could give a shit less what is in the part number on the side of a Trijicon scope.....UNTIL is becomes one more reason for the people who are not fighting...to fight and kill Americans.

I know our government does not promote Christianity and anyone with common sense would know that too. The problem is, people we are fighting probably don't know that. and the Taliban or whoever we fight, will use that as a tool to sway their mind. Sort of like a Jedi Mind Trick. "These are the Americans you wish to kill, they hate Islam. See, it's on their weapons".

You want to see some good examples of Propaganda, check out North Korean posters.

http://calitreview.com/875

Are we dropping babies down wells? I don't think so. Or Russian ones.

http://englishrussia.com/?p=312

Is America promoting a Holy war against Islam? Nope. Will they draw a poster with a "Jesus Gun" on it shooting down innocent defenders of Islam? Probably. Will it make people furious even though it is completely untrue? You bet your ass it will.

It's like wearing a shirt that says "I fucked her" with an arrow pointing to your left and walking around standing next to guys wives. Did you actually fuck her? Nah. Does the guy know you didn't fuck his wife? Probably. But will her husbands buddies egg him on until he punches you in the face for doing it? Most likely. It's just more small pointless shit that will blow up into HUGE pointless shit that some dumbass will use to cause trouble somewhere. Easiest way to stop it....don't wear the shirt.

[Got Milk?]

Hmm. I think 90% of the people in here missed the entire jist of why this is such a big deal.

I personally could give a shit less what is in the part number on the side of a Trijicon scope.....UNTIL is becomes one more reason for the people who are not fighting...to fight and kill Americans.

I know our government does not promote Christianity and anyone with common sense would know that too. The problem is, people we are fighting probably don't know that. and the Taliban or whoever we fight, will use that as a tool to sway their mind. Sort of like a Jedi Mind Trick. "These are the Americans you wish to kill, they hate Islam. See, it's on their weapons".

You want to see some good examples of Propaganda, check out North Korean posters.

http://calitreview.com/875

Are we dropping babies down wells? I don't think so. Or Russian ones.

http://englishrussia.com/?p=312

Is America promoting a Holy war against Islam? Nope. Will they draw a poster with a "Jesus Gun" on it shooting down innocent defenders of Islam? Probably. Will it make people furious even though it is completely untrue? You bet your ass it will.

It's like wearing a shirt that says "I fucked her" with an arrow pointing to your left and walking around standing next to guys wives. Did you actually fuck her? Nah. Does the guy know you didn't fuck his wife? Probably. But will her husbands buddies egg him on until he punches you in the face for doing it? Most likely. It's just more small pointless shit that will blow up into HUGE pointless shit that some dumbass will use to cause trouble somewhere. Easiest way to stop it....don't wear the shirt.

Intelligence just clicked in.

And If i was to ever to go to war for USA Army, I sure as hell would not hold a gun with bible writings on it. I rather take a knife and take my chances pretending to be rambo.

[Starrfire]

Intelligence just clicked in.

And If i was to ever to go to war for USA Army, I sure as hell would not hold a gun with bible writings on it. I rather take a knife and take my chances pretending to be rambo.

THIS

This is the reason it is wrong. This man is a muslim. He wants about as much to do with Christianity as I do which is none. I'd just file it off and take the punishment if there was one. But fuck religion being pressed on those who don't want it. And fuck the soldiers involved with the bibles and shit, its not their job and only makes them look like fools.

[geoff]

i get where your coming from buddy, and i strongly agree that it will be used to fuel the fire of hatred. my point was that if not this incident of the biblical engraving then it would be something else. the nation of islam isnt pissed that we have scriptures on our weapons, they are pissed that our weapons are pointed at them and we are swinging our red, white, and blue nutts around for the entire world to see.

[Glides]

i get where your coming from buddy, and i strongly agree that it will be used to fuel the fire of hatred. my point was that if not this incident of the biblical engraving then it would be something else. the nation of islam isnt pissed that we have scriptures on our weapons, they are pissed that our weapons are pointed at them and we are swinging our red, white, and blue nutts around for the entire world to see.

Exactly.

The scriptures just add alot of gas onto an already hot fire.

[ash7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9sPTR-nMds

This is something that is fairly easy to see in our conflicts in the middle east, but is not really talked about...also not easily "proved" because of the military's policy seems to present a constitutional paradox in that the First Amendment's Establishment Clause restricts the government's authority to fund and endorse religion, yet we see it violating these laws as easily as breathing in and out. I suppose Islam and Christianity are both religions of "peace" if it can ever be attained through killing and waging wars in the name of god, by all appearances this means the U.S. military is engaging in a religious war.

But Trijicon does make some very nice sights!

and since you've hopped on the Conspiracy Train, here's another one for you to watch:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1e...-inside-j_news

for being an atheist or whatever you claim to be... you sure do like to post in the religious section.
-jonathan

[StreetHazard]

and since you've hopped on the Conspiracy Train, here's another one for you to watch:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1e...-inside-j_news

for being an atheist or whatever you claim to be... you sure do like to post in the religious section.
-jonathan

That video does not pertain to me or any of my personal views, if you have any questions for me I will be more than happy to respond. Try to form them coherently though or you will be openly mocked accordingly, and to avoid any confusion.

I embrace the the fact that islamic extremist's attacked our soil, and killed our people. Because we get to see first hand the dangers of a theocracy (a government based upon religious values), and the destructive nature of the fanatical religious mind for everyone to behold.

And I post here to offer an opposing viewpoint to the growing cancer that is abrahamic religion. To avoid confusion I refer to abrahamic religion being the world's three primary monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, emphasizing their common origin and values as all being tied to the patriarch "Abraham"

[5speed]

This one from the Russian link didnt have a good description so I take it upon myself to tell you, my grandfather was in the military for the Union Soviets and has told me the mentality of Russia and its government.

They dont like the idea of the UN bc it allows other people to butt into others business and eventually has potential for unified totalitarian world government. The olive leaves have long represented peace since ancient times. The USA and UN will destroy any chance of peace in the USSR