Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
That depends on what you think the core of the Christian faith is. I do not believe the Bible is the core of the Christian faith. I believe Christ is the core of the Christian faith and the Bible is only one of the many things that testify to who he was. People always talk about the word of God (the Bible), but they miss the fact that Jesus is the fulfillment of the word. He is the Logos (The Word that was, is and is to come), and he is what breathes the validity into the Bible. The Bible is NOT eternal, but the word (the Logos/Jesus) is. I cannot base my faith on what is not eternal because what is not eternally binding for us does not suit my requirements as things that are not eternal are ever changing. Because without Christ even the moral teachings of the Bible are worthless. (this is a much deeper discussion than I care to go into on this forum)

You can be a believer and have never touched the Bible. The Logos (Jesus) is only partially understood through scripture. I believe the rest of it to be understood through other resources. Which is why the resurrection of Christ is so important. Without that NONE of the Christian faith is valid.
great points. without going off on a serious tangent, i think the major difference between our worldviews is that GOD is at the center of mine, while Jesus is at the center of yours. I don't believe that GOD = Jesus.

Additionally...I am of the opinion that "eternal" doesn't have to necessarily imply unchanging. To relate it back to nature...a system can have a bunch of little changes but as long as the net effect is ZERO, equilibrium is maintained. to put it better, "eternal" isn't the same thing is "static". And I believe God to be a dynamic being bc the universe is constantly changing.


Quote Originally Posted by sport_122
This is where i will sound crazy to some.
For me, it would take proving that the resurrection did not occur, or that our universe is not subservient to laws.
Speaking about the resurrection, what proof do you have (outside of what is mentioned in the Bible itself) that the resurrection DID occur? i'm asking bc i think this conversation is about to take some interesting turns . and i'd like to see where your head is on this before we proceed further.