Could Jesus have been an alien?

[Maniacc]

i see the original poster of this source has yet to make a rebutal. when your wrong your wrong

First of all it's spelled rebuttal, and you also misspelled you're wrong TWICE. Am I responding to a person who failed language arts?

And second. You want me to reply to your posts - that have yet to prove my previous posts wrong. Know why? Because you can not. I've been far too busy to really sit down and read the posts in the last couple of pages.

Give me some notes and I'll commit multi-quote assault on them later.

But before I fall asleep lemme say a few things. If you are fully sane you should be able to see how idiotic your posts are, or at least think they are stupid. Because believing things with no or invalid proof is pretty much what being stupid is all about. Let me ask you this, if I told you I believe for sure that masturbating unicorns are secretly planning to take over earth early next year with Mario Cantone clones riding them bareback -would you say that is a stupid belief? Or would you not call it stupid, but just say it's a belief that you 'don't share?'

Also. Just throwing this out there for the hell of it, but I personally don't consider myself atheist or agnostic because claiming to be an atheist is a pretty bold statment, but even the overly enthusiastic atheists -- at least are accurate and logical in what they are talking about - whereas the religious people believe insane illogical crap like a guy coming back from the dead, a virgin birth, and that a guy on an arc who was 500 years old gathered two of each species of animals(must have been a pretty big boat...) and got them all to fuck during a flood of the entire earth which is physically impossible since the water supply of earth is finite and has to go somewhere so if there was a flood that big then where did all this new flood water come from?

And then where did the water go when the flood was over? It would have to evaporate back into the air but there is not enough air space to hold that much proportion of water - so it's impossible and obviously total bullshit.

What do you think of a guy who believes in scientology, and their beliefs that some alien leader named Xenu dropped off alien souls into a fucking volcano on earth and the souls then came out of the volcano and inhabited human bodies? You respect that person's sanity? Well they have exactly the same amount of proof behind their story as Christianity or any other religion, which is zero. Atheists, the ones who spend a lot of time with it, while they may be wasting their time to a degree, although that's pretty subjective, aren't believing in a bunch of bullshit.

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But before I fall asleep lemme say a few things. If you are fully sane you should be able to see how idiotic your posts are, or at least think they are stupid. Because believing things with no or invalid proof is pretty much what being stupid is all about. Let me ask you this, if I told you I believe for sure that masturbating unicorns are secretly planning to take over earth early next year with Mario Cantone clones riding them bareback -would you say that is a stupid belief? Or would you not call it stupid, but just say it's a belief that you 'don't share?'

Also. Just throwing this out there for the hell of it, but I personally don't consider myself atheist or agnostic because claiming to be an atheist is a pretty bold statment, but even the overly enthusiastic atheists -- at least are accurate and logical in what they are talking about - whereas the religious people believe insane illogical crap like a guy coming back from the dead, a virgin birth, and that a guy on an arc who was 500 years old gathered two of each species of animals(must have been a pretty big boat...) and got them all to fuck during a flood of the entire earth which is physically impossible since the water supply of earth is finite and has to go somewhere so if there was a flood that big then where did all this new flood water come from?

The flood in Noahs account was a regional flood. The bible talks about the world being flooded because it was a large region. You find that out pretty quickly when you study the text in its context and original language.

Also as for the unicorns. Provide us with compiled selection of evidence and I will be able to make a good conclusion.

Maniacc, the reason we sound so strange to you is that you have not looked at the evidence. The evidence does not have to prove our case or convince you of our worldview, but it should at least get you to understand that the unicorn theory as used by Dawkins, Hitchens, and all of the "free thinkers", is very inaccurate in describing believers. The irony for me is that most of these "free thinkers" or militant atheists who say crap like this are exactly the opposite. They outwardly admit to ignoring the evidence of their errors and the evidence of their non-scientific approach to theorizing and then THEY have the nerve to say that someone else is ignoring the case.

Well, Maniacc, when you have a case and I present a series of arguments from the same field and other fields of study then I have earned the ability to say that I do NOT agree with your theories as a "free thinker" based on the simple point that there is a much better case against you.

Dawkins touts evolution as if it even remotely explains human origins (he admits it doesn't) and that human origins have to be a product of something else. Even though he describes evolution as a very intricate and structured process. I don't believe in his evolution version either by the way.

Then you get Christopher Hitchens, who hasn't made a valid argument yet, but gets off of bickering and name calling like a little british school girl. His strongest argument is the expansion of our universe, which only demonstrates that our universe is STILL submissive to the laws of its origin.

These men are not free thinkers, and if you would just look at some of their debate without trying to be bitter about religions then you would see that they are not making good cases against God. They make god cases against stupid fundamentalists, but never against God. Their points always land on..."its just absurd" but never is there any substance to those arguments.

But again, you don't have to believe and we are not called to provide proof. We are called to provide evidence because that is what leads to legitimate belief.

There are infinite possiblities of what is out there, we just happen to be what we are because, well, we just are. If we weren't then we wouldn't be able to think about it. So it's not really luck. It just is. Doesn't mean there isn't a 'higher power.' Shit, we could be the experiment of some chemist on some planet 1000000 light years away whose average citizen is 500 feet tall.

You admit infinite possibilities yet none of those possibilities in your mind has to do with a resurrection of our God with us, living and breathing on our earth. And your giant chemist argument only leads to the same issues of origins of all things.

[Maniacc]

Dawkins touts evolution as if it even remotely explains human origins (he admits it doesn't) and that human origins have to be a product of something else. Even though he describes evolution as a very intricate and structured process. I don't believe in his evolution version either by the way.

Then you get Christopher Hitchens, who hasn't made a valid argument yet, but gets off of bickering and name calling like a little british school girl. His strongest argument is the expansion of our universe, which only demonstrates that our universe is STILL submissive to the laws of its origin.

Fuck Dawkins and Hitchens. Who gives a shit about them. I know I don't. I do not follow their shit because I am my own God. I am me.

Now let's talk about Jesus and his powers.

Simple hallucinations are very easy to do nowadays. Chris Angels would be considered God if it weren't for scientists and their logical explanations for his tricks. If he performed all the stuff that he has 2000 years ago he'd been crucified too.

It really sucks that I won't be alive to see our society - change from religious people shaking their pompoms at God and look at 'life' for what it really is.

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[QUOTE=Maniacc]Fuck Dawkins and Hitchens. Who gives a shit about them. I know I don't. I do not follow their shit because I am my own God. I am me.

Simple hallucinations are very easy to do nowadays. Chris Angels would be considered God if it weren't for scientists and their logical explanations for his tricks. If he performed all the stuff that he has 2000 years ago he'd been crucified too.

Will you go write Chris Angel and see if he has a kill him, and come back to life three days later trick. Maybe he would let you do the beating, the thorns and the crucifying. Of course such a simple hallucination could be performed easily by him.

It really sucks that I won't be alive to see our society - change from religious people shaking their pompoms at God and look at 'life' for what it really is.

that is exactly what the humanists think. The close our society gets to what you wish for, the less likely we are to kill ourselves. Denial of the spiritual side of humanity is denial of a very important part of who you are. It would be like asking a dog to learn how to purr, scratch and climb like a cat.

But you have fun with being your own god. Fair warning. The whole self god thing has historically NOT worked for anyone yet. And since you are your own god you should not fret over what the world is doing. As your own god its about you. Just watch out for other people who are their own god, they are your worst nightmare, especially if you want something they want.

By the way, what you desire and embrace for your life is a struggle for me to rid myself of in mine. Humanism destroys.

[Maniacc]

that is exactly what the humanists think. The close our society gets to what you wish for, the less likely we are to kill ourselves. Denial of the spiritual side of humanity is denial of a very important part of who you are. It would be like asking a dog to learn how to purr, scratch and climb like a cat.

But you have fun with being your own god. Fair warning. The whole self god thing has historically NOT worked for anyone yet. And since you are your own god you should not fret over what the world is doing. As your own god its about you. Just watch out for other people who are their own god, they are your worst nightmare, especially if you want something they want.

By the way, what you desire and embrace for your life is a struggle for me to rid myself of in mine. Humanism destroys.

Sport, sport, sport. You have no idea how I am in person and how I think. The words that I am posting are my thoughts on the subject -- they don't really reflect on my actions as a person. People like me do not think the way we do to make things work. It's how we live and see life - just like how God plays a role in yours. You live by his rules and except the word of Christ.

Let me ask you this.

What is the meaning of life in your opinion? I'll answer my own question first.

There is no ultimate meaning of life. It's just a ride. What you get out of it you get out of it, but then you die and won't know/remember/care about it anyway. Life is a lot like a dream. It seems so real and so cool but in the end you wake up and can't remember any of it. Is it all for naught? I don't think so. Just enjoy it while you can.

What happened in your life that made you turn to God?

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Sport, sport, sport. You have no idea how I am in person and how I think. The words that I am posting are my thoughts on the subject -- they don't really reflect on my actions as a person. People like me do not think the way we do to make things work. It's how we live and see life - just like how God plays a role in yours. You live by his rules and except the word of Christ.

Let me ask you this.

What is the meaning of life in your opinion? I'll answer my own question first.

There is no ultimate meaning of life. It's just a ride. What you get out of it you get out of it, but then you die and won't know/remember/care about it anyway. Life is a lot like a dream. It seems so real and so cool but in the end you wake up and can't remember any of it. Is it all for naught? I don't think so. Just enjoy it while you can.

What happened in your life that made you turn to God?

you are right. I have no earthly idea how you are in person. And all I can do is formulate based off of your posts.

To answer your question: The meaning of my life and the purpose of my life are not the same so I will give both.

I believe that the purpose of this life is to love and learn to understand the God of our universe. I often wonder if it is about getting us ready to experience his universe in a greater scope. But I believe that I am supposed to learn how to understand myself in relation to him. To learn who he is and to experience him in a way that is not available to all creation. This was a very long path for me to become a believer and it still continues now. I spent lots of time discussing thing with my professors, church pastors and friends who are in or went to seminary. I have studied and read tons on apologetics and I have read a ton on atheism and alternative theories.

I find that the alternate theories do not work for me. They leave very large holes for faith and confusion and question, but refuse to acknowledge the evidence of a God out of spite and denial. Even Steven Hawkins changed his initial big bang theory because it left a very large gap in logic that was (even to him) only logically filled by a transcendent God. So in order to avoid God, he changed his theory. To me this is error and fallacy beyond belief. He made scientific observations, and changed them not because his observations were flawed but because he did not like the conclusion. I could not accept this because I would know that every time I discussed God, I was not really arguing in disbelief, I would be arguing in denial of the evidence and denial of what is demonstrated by EVERYTHING we have known, and will know in the future. Knowing that some of the greatest minds who were arguing against believers were sitting in their labs observing our universe and seeing evidence in the cosmos that supported the arguments of the apologists yet lying on stage and in books to people like you and me.

But as i have said the evidence is there.

My life is becoming dedicated to making sure that the believers in my church are NOT ignorant. That they understand their reasons for faith and that they embrace knowledge in all arenas as it is ALL evidence of God, and his love for us. This is joy for me, and I am strengthing every time I discuss these things with a believer or non-believer, because when you are on the side of truth, you do not have to fear, as truth always survives and it stands on its own.

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very nice...LOOOOOOONG, but good read.