that is true but my question is this. how is the big bang theory accepted as a theory for the origin of life if it just leads you back to the question of who made it happen or who or what put it into motion
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that is true but my question is this. how is the big bang theory accepted as a theory for the origin of life if it just leads you back to the question of who made it happen or who or what put it into motion
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This is the same thing with God.
If the BB theory is true, and there's strong evidence that it is, but for some strange reason had a creator--then who created it? It's a never ending cycle of questions. There's no possible way that a "being" can "be" just because. God doesn't have a creator, doesn't have an origin, doesn't have a comparable force, so technically, from what I got from you, you're saying that there is only one. One!? I mean, you cannot be serious, can you?
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So God is all. How did you calculate that?
The difference between your calculations and science is that scientific calculations don't not need to describe movements as a series of stills, nor are infinitesimal points in space or time purely abstract math.
When you look at your speedometer in your Trans Am, you're not seeing a representation of where you are, you're seeing a representation of the change of where you are.
The laws of nature work mathematically, the relation between any two characteristics of the universe can be described as such.
The thing is that your God has been getting smaller and smaller the more we learn. The more we learn, the less relevant "it" becomes. Now "he's" restrained it to be literally impossible to exist even partially as a concept. That to concieve makes it vanish, like a leprechaun or some shit. What are we? All inbreds?
Yes i do believe that there is only ONE GOD. what some people fail to realize is that no matter what theory they come up with they can never provide a source or cause for it all. creationism and christianity state that ONE being greater than the laws of nature or bound by our thoughts or math or laws or theories or even our timeline created everything. He was the source, the cause, the Beggining. its funny how they state we can never truly know or comprehend whats inside a black hole yet people can immediately write off the notion that a supernatural entity created everything we see and know. and that that being stands all alone and gave us instructions on how we are supposed to live and what not. Heck even a manufacturer gives and instruction manual when they make anything.
my God is getting smaller and smaller? im sorry buddy but no other theory has lasted since the beggining of time. we keep learning and learning and coming up with new ideas and theories every day yet my God and the God of many still stands. and where you getting your facts buddy? the Big Bang theory is no longer supported as it used to be. scientist's are actually getting closer to truth and " my God " as intelligent design and creationism are growing.
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ah yes ignorance, and when they all agree that we evolved from monkeys it was called brilliance. i see clearly now.:lmfao:
It's true that a God could have started the big bang but until there is evidence of that, it can't just be assumed. The biggest difference between people who believe in God and those who don't are that people who don't believe in God aren't afraid to say they don't know answers to many of those big questions.Quote:
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Once again, you are completely misrepresenting science and then trying to use it as ammunition. So let me state this clearly:Quote:
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EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGISTS DO NOT BELIEVE WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS!
So please stop with this bastardization of science.
i just think its funny how you put so much faith in science, i highly doubt you have personally studied all the theories that you believe in. you just accept it as truth because some guy with a degree tells you its so. remember, scientists and philosophers used to think the world was flat. atleast with my belief i have had the opportunity to study MYSELF and make MY OWN conclusion on what i believe. stop trying to seperate God and science. God uses science so we can have some kind of understanding of the world around us
Science and Physics stand above Religeon.Quote:
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You are blind to facts if they don't correspond to what you wanna believe.
thats the best you got?
Compared to what you are saying, its more than enough.Quote:
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Tell me this, did you go to college ever?
im enrolled now taking fire science and paramedic/emt courses. so yes. i have done countless hours of study MYSELF when it comes to science and faith. most people try to seperate the two. i do not, i see science in general as a partial explanation of how " my God" did things. my point is this my friend, scientific theories change constantly as they gain more knowledge or are proved wrong or just are not popular any more. my Christian God has not changed. people still believe now what they did thousands of years ago. He has stood the test of time and always will
I'm trying to see the logic of a person like you sitting in front of a PHd level instructor.Quote:
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Are you like Adam Sandler from waterboy? Do you take the ideas of a person whose spent their life researching something only to say.....nah, that's not what god said.
Science actually doesn't change constantly, you just say it does because you want to.
If you actually educated yourself with no biased, you'd see that.
science does not change constantly? what planet do you live on man? i could list hundreds of examples in just the last thousand years. the thing about these phd instructors is that they only know what they read in books or heard some other instructor say and you say that im going on what ive been told my whole life? did you not hear me say that I STUDIED this issue MYSELF. its funny how you athiests say that christians or anyone of any faith is blind and closed minded, you are the ones that are bound, bound to what the world wants you to believe, to what you were taught in school ( which the subjects are regulated and controlled ). my friend you need freedom in your life. search deeper than you ever have. and at the end of the road if you still dont have faith in anything then atleast you know you searched.
I'm not an atheists for one so don't call me that. I just don't like in a mental box like you.Quote:
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For two, i know that someone doesn't earn a PHd till they have worked on something of their own. They can credit help on research but the actual work is theirs.
The reason certain aspects of science change is because the factors change. The world is a different place then it was millions of years ago because there is plausible evidence.
I highly doubt anything you studied yourself would be worthwhile as you don't come of as someone that would even give it the time of day. I guess in your eyes gravity is a joke, right?
Lol regulated and controlled.
That darn calculus for example. They never let me do it gods way. (Oh gosh darn):rolleyes:
gravity? calculus? how does any of that say that the christian God is not real? you obviously havent paid attention to when i said that i believe science and God can go hand in hand. once again your arguement on someone with a phd means nothing. their work is judged by others that have ALL been taught the same thing just in a different package.
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I beat you are because as I am a person that opposes your opinions, you'd see me as someone that stands against your god. That's just how your train of thought works.
I told you like three times already i'm not an atheist but you failed to read.
I'll try one more time. (In caps for your sake)
I'M NOT TELLING YOU YOUR GOD ISN'T REAL. I'M ALSO NOT TELLING YOU RELIGION SAYS YOUR GOD ISN'T REAL.
Now that i've written that again, i'm making the point that YOU are the one looking at science as the anti christ. Not me. You can worship your god all you like. We can do that in America.
First of all I must say that--geoff has proven yet again, that well, there is simply no way that he could ever win an argument when it comes to religion.
Resorting to being as primitive as the bible, being close-minded, clearly being in denial, lacking simple comprehension skills, the list, sadly, goes on and on...
I don't put much effort nowadays on religious topics, because I've been doing so for many years, but's it's totally necessary in this thread. It's 8:06 am as I type, so let us see how long it takes me to completely destroy your God (with facts, links, video clips, ect. ect.), and if you cannot reply back with a "logical" rebuttal, then I'm afraid to say that our discussion will be over. Bring facts- NOT scriptures, personal beliefs, or anything else that serves no purpose but to make the scroller on the right hand side of our monitors smaller, and the page longer.
Are those simple requests understood, geoff? Should be easy for you... seeing as how God created everything and proof of his/hers/it's existence should technically be everywhere, and not just in the bible... riight?
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Seriously dude, you should start treating the "Submit Reply" button like it costs you money, because every one of your posts makes absolutely no sense at all! You are simply posting up a personal belief, and refuse to accept or even acknowledge an intellectual rebuttal from anyone who has posted against you.
Like you've said: "I do believe..." just because you believe that there is only "ONE" God doesn't make it so. Just because YOU think God is the reason behind life, and that there is no other explanation for life being what it is doesn't make it true. You're still a young guy who still has much to experience in life.
Throughout your life, you might ask God to assist you during your hard times, but at the end you are the only one who'll be able to help yourself.
You've said that you did not grow into religion, but that you found God on your own. Did you venture on some quest, barefooted with only a sword and a shield, or did you simply just get yourself in a tough situation, and eventually found the bible--and couldn't help but to continue reading. So it changed your prespective on life.
Even if that's not how it happened the truth is this:
When things go bad - people turn to God.
When things go well - people praise God.
When someone is lost - they talk to God.
When someone is hopeful - they pray to God.
When someone is lonely or afraid - they talk to God
It all comes down to this: God is simply an emotion one creates to deal with uncertainty. The human mind does not like leaving things at "I don't know." It's frustrating to try and come to terms that you literally do not know something. You can't guess, can't lean more to one side than the other - you just straight up do not know.
And how do you deal with that? You put God in it's place. Instead of not knowing you just say God is responsible.
Sounds pretty childish to me. Kind of like this story:
Easter Bunny Mother: "Claire, did you eat the cookies that I baked for your grandma??!!"
Easter Bunny Daughter: "No mommy, it was... it was... umm... it was Panda!!"
Easter Bunny Mother: "Your stuffed bear ate all of my cookies??!?!!"
Easter Bunny Daughter: "Yuuup, he sure did..."
See, geoff. Putting your faith and a name on your problems, accomplishments, or whatever in the name of God is nothing more than "childish."
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creationism and christianity state that ONE being greater than the laws of nature or bound by our thoughts or math or laws or theories or even our timeline created everything.
I love how people need mountains of evidence to believe in evolution or any other scientific theory, but believe that some amazing entity created the earth in a week. Evidence for that? The bible said so. I believe that the earth spawned from one tiny drop of sweat from God's balls, what evidence do you have that that isn't true?
Anyone who is a creationist at this point is really just living in a fantasy world. Seriously.
For you to take the word or creationists and christianity as truth just proves how clueless you are when it comes to this topic. Mathematically you cannot prove God. Is it because he created it--thus, left it with an impossible equation, that if ever calculated could disprove his existence, right? Please, don't answer that.
The laws of nature? Haaaha, there are micro-organisms that don't get effected by the laws of nature (ex: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5594539.ece). The emptiness of space, countless, stars, galaxies, super novas, red giants... all those things are incomprehensible to our little minds. The laws of nature? What a joke.
I hope that you're only throwing out "guesses" here because if you truely believe all this then there's nothing I could ever learn from you.
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He was the source, the cause, the Beggining. its funny how they state we can never truly know or comprehend whats inside a black hole yet people can immediately write off the notion that a supernatural entity created everything we see and know.
Do you even know what a black hole is?
Basically black holes do exist as we can empirically observe them, but the way they are proven in Special Relatively is debatable.
There is some aspect or element that is being left out of the equation that is causing it to be wrong. The whole dividing by zero thing. My thoughts are that since we are still discovering and observing new elements in space, such as dark matter, then there will be new ways to prove the existence of black holes that we see. Although we may need to redefine the term black hole to make it appropriate
Also-- just because we aren't quiet sure what is inside a black hole doesn't mean anything. A "supernatural entity creating everything we see and know" is just... just not even worth taking serious.
Schwarzschild metric - static, neutral
Reissner–Nordström metric - static, charged
Kerr metric - rotating, neutral
Kerr–Newman metric - rotating, charged
http://nrumiano.free.fr/Estars/int_bh2.html
Here are a few things that have to do with black holes. I've been reading up on them for a few months, but am still having a hard time understanding the whole concept.
Listen to this cosmologist's lecture at Richard Dawkins' youtube channel. If you haven't seen it then it will surely blow your mind: A Universe from Nothing watch it, and tell me what you think. It's very interesting if you want to learn a thing or two.
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and that that being stands all alone and gave us instructions on how we are supposed to live and what not. Heck even a manufacturer gives and instruction manual when they make anything.
Intruction manual? You mean "natural instinct?"
The creation of the universe didn't need intructions nor will it ever. Things occur and evolve. No intructions needed.
There was a YouTube page called The Counter Weight 1 that had fantastic uncut interviews of Richard Dawkins from his documentary "The genius of Darwin." You can see uncut interviews of him and science teachers, creationist chemistry teachers, paleontologists, and biologists that have uncovered various species of our human cousins in Africa. Sadly though the account has been suspended.
I learned and got so much from those videos I can't even begin to describe it.
Did you know that the human infant is the only mammal that is born pre-mature? All other mammals can begin walking and integrate rather seamlessly into the community once being born. The human infant, however, is birthed quite early, and researchers, like the evolutionary biologist (in the documentary) discovered that the rapid enlargement of the human brain and subsequent enlargement of the skull made the birthing process nearly unsurvivable due to constraints of the birth canal. Over time though babies began to be born, and still are, with their skulls having not yet been formed.
Now, what this requires after birth is a tremendous amount of care from the mother. It requires almost all of her energy to raise the child, teach it, nurture it, feed it, etc. this had never before happened to mammals with such large brains.
It is thus thought, then, that this constant nurturing produced a community that was chiefly concerned and centered on both the mother and the newborn. This may have given rise to primitive but ever complex communities where language and communication was of paramount importance in order for the survival of the young and the child bearing. Evolution is just incredibly fascinating.
Intruction manual? Where has a manual ever been needed? Have any records of someone ever questioning how to inhale and breathe out ever been discovered? Geoff, I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed I am in your posts. They're comparable to a 7th graders' retorts.
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my God is getting smaller and smaller? im sorry buddy but no other theory has lasted since the beggining of time. we keep learning and learning and coming up with new ideas and theories every day yet my God and the God of many still stands.
Yeah, it stands in the middle of a court being nothing more than a court jester--getting laughed at by the entire scientific community.
This has been 99% depressing & 1% entertaining. I seriously thought it would've really tested my knowledge. Sadly, I have been left blueballed. Haha, I'll continue though.
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and where you getting your facts buddy? the Big Bang theory is no longer supported as it used to be. scientist's are actually getting closer to truth and " my God " as intelligent design and creationism are growing.
We could keep swordfighting with our cocks, but I for one believe in trying out theories instead of sitting back and eating Costco pizza... which was terrible, by the way, and listening to buffoons, so I went out to my backyard, and tried an experiment where I caught a snake, and tried having a conversation with it. I recorded the experiment, but unfortunately it ended in complete failure. I ended up looking like a sick, mentally retarded individual who was trying to talk to a garden-fucking-snake.
This has lead me to the conclusion that I need to find a new girl for my harem because it's obvious to me I am so bored I am actually responding to you.
Now... I am getting my facts from years of research and college professors. Where are you getting your "knowledge" from, Geoff? The bible?
Oh and ROFLMMFAO, scientists are getting closer to the truth--that is your God? As, wait for it... the intelligent design behind life?
Wow, dude... this has gotta be the worst argument that there's proof of a God, that I have ever read.
Evidence against one theory (in this case, according to you is the BB theory) is not evidence for an entirely unsubstantiated theory like a universe-creating superhero.
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These are guys that have studied cosmology, and get paid to do this. What makes you think that they're simply just bullshitting?
Whereas I have gone to school for this, you have only been "reading" one book, that is claimed to be the word of God. YOU JUST ACCEPT IT AS TRUTH, YOU HAVE NOT STUDIED ANYTHING BUT THE BIBLE. See, that is funny. You're putting your faith (since that's all you have) on God.
We are not. If something doesn't sound right we question it.
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remember, scientists and philosophers used to think the world was flat.
Um, no you silly goose.
Religious people did. They also (and for some odd reason still do) think that everything was created 6,000 years ago.
It's actually pretty funny, the idea of people worshiping a God who doesn't give a flying fuck about them. God is too cool for fucking school in that little scenario. He must wear sunglasses and file his God nails with his feet up on his God desk while Pat Robertson is praying the shit out of a prayer to him.
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atleast with my belief i have had the opportunity to study MYSELF and make MY OWN conclusion on what i believe.
And what conclusions are those?
Oh yeah. God created everything, sees everything, listens to everybody, and if you pray to him with all your heart will listen and make you prayers come true. YOU CAME UP WITH THAT---ALL BY YOURSELF?!??! AMAZING!! I admire your drive, geoff. You make threads saying that God is all yet you resort to childish banters when we challenge you to prove this pile of horse shit. You cannot challenge common sense. You've made a thread wanting to create a God type of car club. Good luck, but If you want to make friends, why not take this crap to some pro-christian discussion board where you can all sniff each others christian butts and talk about saving mankind or whatever you want to do?
Get back to us when you have something intelligent we can discuss.
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stop trying to seperate God and science. God uses science so we can have some kind of understanding of the world around us
Spectacular. Outstanding retort.
... wowww... can you worship something that actually requires worshipping? Like, the sun??!
My "God"... I have way too much time on my hands.
"if you ever come in contact with a die hard athiest.....serve him a fine meal and simply ask if he believes there's a chef"
Dave =]
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you lost me right about here....Quote:
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bohdi i just got back into town. i will respond asap after work
Looking forward to your response.
busy with the holidays will respond soon
bodhi, here is my response. these are a few of the things i discovered in my research. there are a couple links to vidoes and some info on studies that were done and papers by highly respected people in their own fields. i hope you look at all this with an open mind and dont just right it off as ridiculous cuz its maybe not the most popular view. God bless you.
evolution is base all on assumption, hypothesis, and theory, all of which are NOT facts. in order for the THEORY of evolution to work the universe started out with hydrogen molecules and perhaps a few helium atoms(how did these get here? ) in 1960 George Kerkut did a study and wrote a book entitled "the implications of evolution". in it he said the first two assumptions of evolution were: 1-spontanius generation must have occured. 2-spontanius generation must have occured only once. (spontanius generation: the idea that something non-living can produce something living. the entire basis of evolution) not once in the history of evolution no matter how many experiments were conducted could this be done. all attempts failed misserably. therefore evolutionist "assume" that it happened. so there goes assumption 1. assumption 2...evolution cannot happen without spontaneous generation only happening once because all life is composed of a singular genetic code that has only minor variations between all life and because the code is so extremely complicated evolutionists are forced to concede that it could only happen once. so this is called a "one time event". which cannot be studied using the scientific method because science uses the 5 senses to study things that are universal, dependable, and reproductible. but one time events are neither dependable nor universal and by definition cant be reproduced. and so this once time event of spontaneous generation are not capable of expiramental verification.
a well known australian molecular biologist and evolutionist Dr. Michael Denton wrote a book in 1985 entitled "evolution: a theory in crisis" in the book he admits that no one has ever documented any evidence for the supposed evolutionary "chain of life" leading from one type of creature to another. He wrote, " the concept of the continuity of nature has existed in the mind of man, never in the facts of nature." (p.353) then 13 years later in 1998 he stated, " Whether one accepts or rejects the design hypothesis...there is no avoiding the conclusion that the world looks as if it had been tailored for life; it appears to have been designed. All reality appears to be a vast, coherent, teleological whole with life and mankind as its purpose and goal."
the new accepted theory now that evolution is fading out is " intelligent design". they say that everything was designed but they dont know by who. science is getting closer and closer every decade to proving God. as it sits now. there is no physical evidence of God because how do you prove a superior being that is timeless and infinite? its gonna come down to what the bible says:
"God has given him a name which is above every name – that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord…" Philippians 2:9-11
"I watched as He opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The sky receded like a scroll rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?" rev.6:12-17
Cornelius Tacitus,Flavius Josephus,Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, and Lucian. there are also numerous writings from jewish historians and philosophers that wrote about Jesus the man and the miracles He did but from a non believer point. there is no arguing that a man named Jesus was born and started a ministry and performed great things and preached and was crucified and that christianity was founded by Him. its faith that He was God in flesh and the same God of the jews that christians believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl9fO...aynext_from=PL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq9pO...om=PL&index=36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1J5kX4Cubc
we are the only ones with a conscience and morals and the ability to logically think hence we are the only ones that will be judged. and if a creator created the universe, the laws, and everything else then the creator Himself is not subject to those laws. He is above them since He had the ability to create them. and i was not refering to "intelligent evolution". God spoke everything into existence. what you see around today is the result of natural selection where only the strong survived and the weak species died off. as far as why an athiest wouldnt get to heaven even tho you lived a good life...because the creator God is holy without blemish. He created us to be the same but we failed. so He gave us a list of how to live life so we can be Holy thru Him...its called the bible. The creator God also created us to worship Him. when you dont worship Him and believe Him and live your life according to His word and accept Him as the Lord of your life then you are denying Him and He will deny you. good works are nothing compared to Gods holiness. and they are not enough to get you to eternal life. if the bible was just a book on being a good human then works alone could save you. but thats not the case. we are ALL sinners and the wagers of sin is death (hell). its only through the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross and through His Holy blood that we have grace. in a time not too far away God will reveal Himself to all
That whole post was pretty much about evolution.
Geoff, did you even read my shotgun shot of a post? I pretty much dismissed, and saved everyone of any future "chances" that you had at proving a point. Your links to videos were rather--boring. They didn't prove or disprove anything.
Your last paragraph was nothing more than your belief being thrown at me, again, for the 6th time. So, in conclusion, you pretty much wasted your time copy and pasting text that served no purpose as a "rebuttal" to my post.
It was fun, but I am not suprised to see nothing new come from a strong believer such as yourself.
nothing new? my point was to show that the accepted theories these days all have faults, holes, not complete, ect. not everything we believe to be true in this life can be seen or heard or what not. not everything we believe to be true is tangible or has physical evidence. i can not give you physical proof of God. i can tell you to look around you and use common sense. you see how delicately precise everything is from the tree that takes in Co2 and produces O2 so you can breathe to how every creature has a purpose. i can ask you if there can be a painting without a painter or a house without a builder. the evidence and lack of evidence points to something higher than us that we may never be able to fully understand.
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But it doesn't necessarily point to a God, either. Later, QD.Quote:
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Im starting to feel a little sorry for Geoff, it must be so frustrating to be one of just a few outspoken believers, surrounded by godless secularists that nail points home as harshly as the nails in Jesus's arms, poor fella.
no my friend i feel sorry for you. sorry that you dont realize what the nails in His hands did for you
i just need proof... then i'll go from there. i just believe we all exist and i'm not asking questions as to how or why. life's too short to worry about silly shit like where we came from... i got too much other stuff going on... like finishing my truck for spring fling and southeast showdown this coming year :-)
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well baby j, we have had some pretty good back and forths in this section, you seem like an ok guy. you actually interested in what the nails in His hands did for you or you just want something else to mock?
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well ok, the bible says that we have ALL fallen short of the glory of God and ALL have sinned. Jesus lived a perfect life, a life without giving into any temptation, He was the Lord of lords and the King of kings. He was rich yet became poor. He suffered and was beaten and broken for all to take their sins upon Him. His blood shed was the sacrifice for us for all eternity, He loved us ( His creation ) all so much that He died to make a way for us to heaven and to have a personal relationship with Him. if you ever get a chance to study His story you will see that the nails, the whipping, beatings, the spear to His ribs, none of that bothered Him. it was only when He drank the cup of all our sins, sickness, death, ect... that He said if it was at all possible, to take the cup from Him.
baby j and the others on here, we can argue forever about the origins of life and there will always be supporters of God and non supporters. one truth does remain tho. one day ALL of us will face death. what lies beyond that NO ONE knows. its all based on speculation or faith. science can give some insight to where we came from but not where we are going. do you really want to take the chance of facing an afterlife of torment and without peace? a relationship with God does not call for much. it is a life of peace, self sacrifice, helping others, living a morally sound life, and a faith based relationship with your Creator. if you seek after Jesus you will find Him. until you give God a chance you will never truly know what it means to be called His.
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So, because it says all this in the bible--a book, then it must be true, right? Yeah, riiiight.
Geoff, please stop.
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baby j and the others on here, we can argue forever about the origins of life and there will always be supporters of God and non supporters. one truth does remain tho. one day ALL of us will face death. what lies beyond that NO ONE knows. its all based on speculation or faith. science can give some insight to where we came from but not where we are going. do you really want to take the chance of facing an afterlife of torment and without peace? a relationship with God does not call for much. it is a life of peace, self sacrifice, helping others, living a morally sound life, and a faith based relationship with your Creator. if you seek after Jesus you will find Him. until you give God a chance you will never truly know what it means to be called His.
My life is peaceful, and I help others when I can. Your point?
If my soul still gets damned to be in hell for ever and ever and ever and ever... haha, then so be it. Though, I am pretty sure that nothing will happen.
Wait, I take that back... something will happen... my body will decompose.
Are you done yet? Because although you say that we can "argue" forever, the truth is that we can't. At least, you can't. babyj, me, and many others can keep the facts coming (ex. http://importatlanta.com/forums/show...&postcount=498) you, gave us opinions and nothing more...
you gave it one hell of a shot though, and for that I give you props lol
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Christians engage in Bible study, not the study of the Bible. Why is that? Because they assume it to be true - with that said, there there is never a reason to review beyond that.:rolleyes: Shouldn’t they be willing, and even HAPPY to do this... surely it will only prove that they are correct right?? LOL. This is supposed to be an absolute.... unfallable. Christians I would imagine would RUSH to obtain knowledge about how Christianity sprang into being. It should only validate the belief if they are correct.
Too bad they are not - ;)
Here is where you lose me. Define SACRIFICE. Just off the top of my head I'd say it is something you GIVE UP in exchange for something else. LOL. Did he not RISE on the 3rd day??:thinking: So where is the sacrifice?? God must be an Indian giver - LOL. Maybe he realized that we aren't worth a shit anyway and His dad said "fuck it Jr... come on back to the house and let them figure it out on their own. LOL. Come on back to the fort" - LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff
Seems to me that the entire basis of Christianity is that Christ "died for your sins"... but the punishment for sin isn't death, it's eternity in hell.
If eternity in hell is the cost of sin, who's in hell paying your toll? How can Christ be paying the price for your sins if he's up in heaven sitting by the pool drinking margaritas?:lmfao: What a mind fuck you guys are living.
Christ is the shit.