I figured you wouldn't have a rebuttal. Later, QD.Originally Posted by NissanTun3r
I figured you wouldn't have a rebuttal. Later, QD.
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Let the gays/lesbians get married. I mean seriously, how does this affect or harm my every day life? It doesn't. As Americans we are all entitled to unalienable rights and the pursuit of happiness, therefore we should back that up. Any "sins" should be taken up with God on their behalf, but I have no problem with it.
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Argue politics with religion
I know I will get flamed for this post, I expect it. This forum is FULL of closed minded people that think only what they think goes. Im not gay (I love the vagina too much) and my parents are not gay. They are normal within the loose definition (which will be discussed later) and have no crazy alter-egos.
An ex of mine had gay moms, they were EXCELLENT people and brought all their children up great. The kids were all conceived while the moms were married to men so they werent adopted. They are wonderful people that totally changed my outlook on gay couples.
VtecKidd, you made the best points on the anti side so I will question you. Ive met you and I can tell you arent a moron so I know you will have good remarks that arent full of childish jargon. Im not here to get into a e-fight about life, I just want the other side to have a voice in this thread.
So here goes....
What is your definition of a married couple? Why cant it be 2 people who are in love with each other and care about each other greatly? So it HAS to be a man and a woman??
Lets just say its a "couple" (man-woman, man-man, woman-woman), what prevents them from having the same benefits? They are humans! So in your ideas, it seems that interracial marriage should be illegal as well. What the difference??
WHAT?!?! NORMAL?? Who is raised in a normal situation, period?? Every family has problems. A pedo uncle, a drunk father, a mom addicted to pills.... So would you rather have parents that are gay and nothing else wrong with them or a pedo uncle that will molest you??
Consequences?? Why should someone get punished for who they love??
Agreed...
As long as its a human that has human rights there shouldnt be a problem. Animals are NOT human so marriage to them should def be illegal. And yes, that includes Humanzees, they are not 100% human so they shouldnt get 100% human rights. A gay person is 100% human.
Illegal aliens are ILLEGAL, they shouldnt get those rights. Its not a crime to be gay....
Whats the diff if a gay person gets hurt and a straight person?? Is there a gay hospital??
And what wrong with adoption?? You think orphans should just stay in orphanages their whole childhood? A loving parent is a loving parent, a child should not be deprived of that.
Agreed on the affirmative actions BUT now you are saying it shouldnt matter your race, creed, color, or sexual preference. If they are gay why cant they have the opportunity to have the benefits? Whites dont get benefits that blacks cant have. So why cant gays get the benefits that straights do?
I will only respond to comments that have substance. If someone makes a comment on me "being gay" then all I will do if give them neg rep. And within that rep there will be no comment. I dont wanna waste my time on children....
You must have missed my input, lolol. Later, QD.
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Agreed 100%
LOL, I meant toward me....
There is no need for rebuttal. This is an opinionated thread. There is no clear factual answer to this question, although one day down the road I think society will accept homosexuality, and it will be legalized.
It really does boggle my mind how a man could find another man attractive when women are so beautiful. That's why I can understand lesbians.
Here is where there lies a massive misunderstanding and manipulation of the "seperation of church and state" clause. The founders of this country did not want to remove religion from our society (this includes in laws and such). They wanted to remove the religious leaders from having power over the political leaders, such that was found in England with the Anglican Church and the King, such that was also found in mainland Europe and the Pope. They did not want to remove religious values from the leaders nor from the laws, they wanted to remove the abuse of power that religious leaders exercised over the political leaders.
Also, since when is Christianity the religion of "being open minded? It basis is on forgiveness and repentance and love. That doesn't mean that as a Christian, you "aren't being a good christian" if you believe that homosexuality is wrong. Hell as a Christian it tells you that is a sin to begin with. Now you are right if you were to say its wrong to cast judgement on another person, but it is not wrong to disagree and believe in your faith.
So we should eliminate legal marital benefits altogether. I mean marriage's origins manifested in religious practices (of all kinds from pagan to wiccan, not just Christian). Therefore by your desire/logic we must separate the state from sanctioning such a religious act.
You're right. But when you respond as you did, it not only helps solidify many people's opinion of you in general, it just shows how narrow-minded you are about mundane things. People don't take you or your opinions with anything more than a grain of salt because you're not known for having a remotely valid opinion on anything. And after reading some of your lines in this subject, the trend continues. Later, QD.
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Isn't this the truth. Christians are about the most closed minded group of people known to man. They'll look down on you in a minute if you don't follow their thinking. Later, QD.
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No politics to it.. no religion eather.. its what i believe, and what I think is right..Argue politics with religion
Depends on who you're talking about QD. I consider myself to be a christain. I attend a local "Church of God" denominated church to be exact, which means I should be an "extremist" by religious standards accord to the media and the general populations stereotypes. Please don't tell me that when you see stuff like this Sunday School teacher that killed people on the news you think that's how we all are. As a christian I'm taught to welcome anyone with an open mind, but that doesn't mean that I agree with their beliefs or way of life by any means. I believe it to be a sin to be homosexual, but I've had many gay and lesbian friends in the past who know exactly where I stand on the subject, yet they were friends with me. These "physco christians" have really ruined many good chances the good ones have at showing what their religion is really about.
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Agreed but I will leave all my religion comments out of the lifestyle section. Im a devout atheist so all the religious stuff is just jibber jabber to me.....
Separation of Church and State is as I described it is there to allow religious freedom but not allow it to interfere with making law.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
You are talking about of two sides of your mouth - you are casting judgment on someone when you say their lifestyle is wrong "an abomination and they are ruining the sanctity of marriage" which has been used many times... but its your "faith"
If you aren't judging then why doesn't the church open arms allow them to get married? They are wrong and are sinners, OK accept it and move on. That is why American Christians are judgmental. Acting on your faith creates judgments so you are judging gays by standing up saying they can't get married b/c they are sinners and it is wrong.
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I'm 100% against it. I have a gay friend that is fun to hang out with. I use to get drunk with him all the time and not once felt uncomfortable around him. But I do not believe gays should be allowed to marry nor adopt kids. Kids come from a man and a woman. Just imagine how confused a child would be growing up with two moms or two dads.
I don't wont to raise my kids in a world where they see it all the time. I don't want them to think its acceptable or ok. Because it's not. There is a reason why two men or two women cant reproduce.
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I know times have changed and this is less common now but I was raised in a family where my father worked and my mother stayed home raising me and my brothers and sister.
Back in the day this is how most families were. And I believe thats why the benefits were there for the spouse. And since gays cant reproduce, there is no reason why the spouse deserves any benefits.
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We no longer live in the 18th, 19th, or 20th centuries. We live in 2009. We need to adapt to the times and what going on around us in our NOW society, like it or not.
I don't dare base any of my prejudice's on what I see/read. I base them on real life experience's. I have literally never met one Christian that was not a backstabber. That was not in your business for their self esteem. That did not pre-judge me. And, I hate to say it, but most of these people were COG folk as well. One example...a girl I was dating for a long time had a 4 year old child. They talked the child into telling the police that I had been "touching" her. Of course it all went away because they admitted it, but they did it because they wanted me away from their daughter and granddaughter because I had tattoos on me. They said I was dangerous. I'm about as dangerous as feather. That's just one of, trust me, many episodes.
But I don't think all of you people (lolol) are that way. Later, QD.
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Did you say... "You People" ????
LOL
I think he did...I don't even know how to come back on that one...QD is too e-slick for me, lol.
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Respond as I do? You follow me on this forum and post personal attacks on here and responding to most posts and threads I make. Shouldn't you accept that just because someone has a different perspective than you or the majority that their opinon is still valid? Sounds like you're the narrow minded one. But there is no argueing with you QD, you are always right aren't you? Wait don't answer that. I'll answer it for you.
I'm always right: I'm the fucking man and everyone should know it. Later, QD
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Um. Whats wrong with gays & lesbians adopting kids? I mean hell enough straight couples aren't damn doing it. We wouldn't have so many damn kids in the foster system if we had more gay and lesbian couples. They can provide just as good as a home as anyone. I'm sure the kid doesn't give a fuck if their parents are gay or not, they just want to be loved and out of the system. Gays & lesbian couplies IMO tend not to take those types of things for granted just because they know how society is. They know its a blessing to be able to adopt a kid with how many non open-minded people we have running around. If they can afford to adopt and have a great background...then dammit let them do it. We have WAY TOO MANY kids in foster homes and adoption agencies to just ban them from being adopted by a couple because of their sexual preference.
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my prev post was in response of this.
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Hrm... rather closed minded statement don't you think?LoL funny how it is so easy to group up people and call them whatever you want.
Actually, the separation of of church and state is so that the state does not interfere with the church. Pilgrims fled because of what? Religious persecution from the King. What was the First Amendment? Freedom of religion, of speech, of press, to petition and to assemble. Separation of church and state was not made to keep religion out of politics... it was so that politics would stay out of religion.
Lets not forget also, that freedom of religion does apply to ALL religions and not just Christianity... because the Founders KNEW that they did not want to impose the same tyranny on those of different religious values...
Lolol.
I don't follow anyone. I go into a lot of threads, regardless of author or content. If I see something inane, I respond. You just happen to fit into the category of Butt of all Jokes.
Me narrow minded? Hardly. I guarantee you that I'm probably one of the most open minded people on the site. But to say I'm narrow minded when I call you stupid because of your views on another person's style of life and how you THINK it's wrong is quite hypocritical.
And yes, I'm pretty much always right. Mainly and especially when it comes to topics with and about you and your lack of brain power.
Kind of stupid of you to not read on through the thread where you'll clearly see my explanation for this particular post of mine. It'll hit you like smart hitting NissanTun3r. Out of fucking nowhere. Later, QD.
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This is my question to everyone who has read this thread or will read this thread.
Do you honestly think that because a child grows up with a gay or lesbian couple that they will be persuaded to become homosexual? Honestly...... Do you think the "parents" would force their foster child to be homosexual? I'm going with a 99.9% chance that it's a no!
What if a foster home has a gay boy and a lesbian girl? Does that mean everyone or ANYONE would be gay just because there are kids living with them that are?
The whole "gay parents = gay kids" debate is dumb..... Because if every kid had the same sexual orientation as their parents, then there would be no gays anywhere. Everyone would be straight.
If you grew up with 2 dads and no mom, witnessed them kissing and holding hands and doing what couples do since your birth, don't you think you might think that is normal, socially acceptable, morally acceptable behavior? You might grow up thinking that is normal and want to try messing with a guy when if you would've had straight parents been messing with a girl. Parents perspectives and their habits have a tendency off rubbing off on their children more times than not.
That last statement is absurd.
The fact is I am right and you are wrong.
i should not be legalized because it jus aint right n homos are increasin hiv and aids
100%.
Every post you've made is absurd. You haven't come across with an iota of rational reasoning. You've just come up with a lot of judgmental crap for thoughts that you've tried to infect on others. Your line of "reasoning" is about as straight as a line drawn by Michael J. Fox.
If you had ever bested me in a series of intellectual jargon and it was witnessed by anyone, then I might find your statement a little bit more believable. But since you've never once outwitted me and I seem to have more of a following when it comes to educational prowess, there is no fact to your claim. As per usual in your case, your claim is baseless.
Why don't you go be a dummy somewhere else, Boy. Later, QD.
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It's still hard for you to say being straight. If it can't be helped then your opinions are quite unfair.
I am straight but I was dragged to a few gay-straight-alliance metting ours highschool had (the girlfriend was all about supporting gays cause of one of her friends or some shit). When you hear these kids talk about growing up through puberty feeling attracted to the same sex, it really doesn't sound like a choice. Do you choose to like... well let's say you are a sucker for redheads. Or is it just soemthing about them that makes your pants get tighter? Some things can't be helped. There are also cases where it is said one can tell if a child is gonig to be gay in life based off of how they act in really young age. Even as early as five. Society has gender roles that some children break barriers of on their own. A study was done on twins at the age of 5 where one boy loved playing with toy cars and G-I-Joes where the other played with Barbies and requested his room be painted pink. The parents did not alter their children's request and wants at all and following the family fdor years proved a conclusion that the boy who played with the dolls did indeed end up gay. Under his own pathway of decisions in life, which could have been influenced by genetics. Furthermore, many gays I have talked to WISHED they weren't gay, and hate themselves for feeling the way they do. they can't help it, but in todays society, even if homosexuality is more accepted and less taboo, there are still TONS of hardships in a gay lifestyle.
Lastly, I know you wouldn't want your child to see two guys kiss, and society controls what is acceptable. but think about it, what makes it not right? Society told YOU it wasn't. Don't pull the "it's not natural" card either because homosexuality has been around for ages and was very popular in early (very early) Roman, and Greek heritages, and there are traces of it in every culture. I know gays can't have children and that leads to the unnatural thing but not al people were meant to have children, not all people want children, and lets be honest, the world needs less people anyway. I think adoption should not only be a possibility, but encouraged. I think the emotional damage of feeling unwanted living life being transferred from foster home to foster home is worse than having two moms or dads.
Attending the meetings really opened my eyes. I love women myself but I have an open mind to at least accept what is different. Remember, they are people too. I do think it is wrong for overly flamboyant gay males to go out of their way to make straight guys feel uncomfortable but can't really blamethem with their hard lifestyles(being shunned and made fun of) and the fact that straight men do it to women too (eg. calling out "Hay baby show me your titties" down the street so your friends get a good laugh is basically as bad. she feels the same way you do as when a gay guy winks at you to see your reaction. He's probably not interested, but just wants to have that same effect).
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actually stats indicate that the number of ppl getting aids has actually been reducing in the homosexual population....
There is no way nor a reason for me to try and reason with someone who is ignorantly blinded by his stupidity and his skewed perceptions.
You bring up all good points, all of them valid and reasonable. You are right about how society facilitates what's acceptable. Homosexuals may actually feel that connection to the same sex as I might with women.
I think we can all agree that male homosexuals are generally over flamboyant and need to chill out with that nonsense. But other than that let them be gay.
I think we can also agree that homosexuality is unnatural. No matter what religion you believe, we know for a fact that babies come from a man and women being together. With that said I think it can be logically assumed that whoever put human beings on this planet intended for a man to be with a woman.
First off, correct, you shouldnt be legalized. You should have your nut sack removed for the survival of the human race.
Second, learn to spell and write a correct sentence.
Third, go eat a glue sandwich.....
Ok, if you go back a read my first post in this thread youll see that my ex's moms were gay. Together they raised 5 children and of them one is gay and that one is a male. None of the 3 females are gay (but my ex DID want to have a threesome...) So this doesnt really work out in you scenario.
But I will agree about the tendencies rubbing off. BUT with gay parents they arent going to push their kids to be gay. Racist/Republican/Christian parents WILL push. Gays know that being gay is a decision they made on their own, no one forced or persuaded them. They wont sit their son down and say, "Son, we are expecting you to grow up and like other guys." No, if the son DOES end up being gay they are going to sit them down and make sure he isnt doing it because the parents are gay but because he chose that on his own.
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