The Rapture - Where Christianity gets as fucking crazy as Scientology

[Maniacc]

Okay so I decided to watch a history channel show about The Antichrist to celebrate Easter. In it they started talking about the Rapture.

Apparently, in the Raputure all of the 'pure' Christians will whizz off into space to meet Jesus. So far, it's plausible(or am I just fucking high? I think I'm just fucking high haha!).

Then I think what happens is that the Antichrist starts to make people think he can save the world - this, goes on for 3 1/2 years - then he begins to make people worship him as a God and for the next 3 1/2 years tries to make people worship him - for some reason, Sky God Jesus decides at the end of this 7 year period, or Tribulation, or whatever the feck he'll come and kill the Antichrist, and then - in a last sweeping act of humanity either convert the remaining Jews or condemn them before something called the millenium (1000 years of peace before the second coming) happens.

I also checked out Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture.

Really? I mean the word Rapture isn't even in the Bible. It has been completely twisted into a marketing scheme from a verse talking about the second coming of Christ. If you gimps read the verses where the Rapture was conceived, it is talking about the Second Coming, not the Rapture. This whole Rapture thing is nothing but a thing to give Christians a sense of hope that they will simply not have to endure the 'Tribulation.'

[Ran]

The "rapture" has been so perverted by people that don't know what they're talking about that it's lost all of it's original intent. First off, the Christians will not be "whizzed off to space" by any means. Nor will they ascend to Heaven unless they are of the select 144,000 that are to reign as kings with Jesus. The anti-Christ does come and mess things up, during which the apolocypse comes in and the world turns to sh*t. It is at this point that Jesus will make his return and the final confrontation will commence. Those that have accepted Christ as their savior will be revived from the dead or saved from their fates to live eternally on the new Earth that is to come. Those that do not know Jesus or were unsure of their faith will be given one final chance to seek redemption. Those that deny Christ as this point will not be sent to Hell, but rather destroyed.

The problem with people's interpretation of the "rapture" is that they believe any idiotic nonsense that they get from a "preacher" weilding a bible. If they took the actual time to read the scriptures, then they might actually have a clue.

Not sure if this helps or not. Just thought I'd throw out some things.

[SPOOLIN]

The "rapture" has been so perverted by people that don't know what they're talking about that it's lost all of it's original intent. First off, the Christians will not be "whizzed off to space" by any means. Nor will they ascend to Heaven unless they are of the select 144,000 that are to reign as kings with Jesus. The anti-Christ does come and mess things up, during which the apolocypse comes in and the world turns to sh*t. It is at this point that Jesus will make his return and the final confrontation will commence. Those that have accepted Christ as their savior will be revived from the dead or saved from their fates to live eternally on the new Earth that is to come. Those that do not know Jesus or were unsure of their faith will be given one final chance to seek redemption. Those that deny Christ as this point will not be sent to Hell, but rather destroyed.

The problem with people's interpretation of the "rapture" is that they believe any idiotic nonsense that they get from a "preacher" weilding a bible. If they took the actual time to read the scriptures, then they might actually have a clue.

Not sure if this helps or not. Just thought I'd throw out some things.

^^^^^

LOL at the Jehovah's witness version up in here.

[Ran]

^^^^^

LOL at the Jehovah's witness version up in here.

"Witness version" or not, it's the same text that's written in every other New World Translation bible. The fact that they actually read and understand the text rather than mindlessly listen to whomever is on the podium puts them head-over-heels above these other denominations IMO.

[EJ25RUN]

[SPOOLIN]

ROFLCOPTERS!!

[Crazy Asian]

I just call it the End of the World. Or the Second Coming.

[Starrfire]

Guess I better acknowledge this jesus guy when he is like "hey, do you believe in me"(and I will be like,"damn there was the proof I was looking for from this stupid religion.") or he will blast me with his jew eye lasers into dust.

[tinkolby_25]

hell yeah hes like the jew version of frylock lolz

[ahabion]

The Rapture and all its other happenings on a Christian standpoint is suppose to happen without anyone really knowing whats going on. Rephrasing... life will continue to go on like normal and people will be completely unaware that its actually taking place. There are "signs" and other stuff that people may recognize but can otherwise be trivial. For myself, Biblically speaking, the Anti-Christ will be some world leader or a very well known person that is mortally wounded. (I could go into a bit more detail but I'll hold it for another post)

Even in Christian circles, the Rapture itself is in great debate of the "When" it'll take place because the Bible doesn't exactly stipulate but everyone is entitled their opinion about when it'll happen. Of course, the best deal is if it is Pre-Tribulation so that they don't have to go through all that stuff... but again, there are those that oppose that and say its during or even after Tribulation. Again, its still in debate.

As far as the term itself, Rapture was coined after a few verses found in the New Testament. Namely 2 Cor. 12:2, 4 and 1 Thess 4:16-17. The phrase is termed from "caught up" or "catching away" stated by the Apostle Paul within context. Since the bible was not written originally in English, the termed was used in place of its Greek translation "harpazo."

[qwick]

Convert or die!

[ttman]

WTF where can I buy the toy? see God prefers the AK over the M16!

Convert or die!

[RL...]

The whole bible has been twisted into so many perceptions/notions/theaories/"facts"/events/hypothesis it's ludicrous.

There are like 45809721439857237 different christian sub groups alone because everyone has there own interpretation of the bible.

That book, the bible, is the greatest scam/storybook/joke of all time. To those that take it seriously, it is so ambiguous and it's references are so vague I mean wtf do you expect to get from that crock of shit...

You can live a great life without "believing", you can be in good health, make money, feel happy, raise a good family, and be a good person ALL without beliving in religion. So what's the point? To go to heaven lololol

Religion is for those who are weak and unable to believe in themselves so they need the comfort that there is higher purpose in life or if they just endure this life something better will be waiting in death. but there is no afterlife. There is no heaven, no sweet embrace.

[Ran]

The whole bible has been twisted into so many perceptions/notions/theaories/"facts"/events/hypothesis it's ludicrous.

There are like 45809721439857237 different christian sub groups alone because everyone has there own interpretation of the bible.

That book, the bible, is the greatest scam/storybook/joke of all time. To those that take it seriously, it is so ambiguous and it's references are so vague I mean wtf do you expect to get from that crock of shit...

You can live a great life without "believing", you can be in good health, make money, feel happy, raise a good family, and be a good person ALL without beliving in religion. So what's the point? To go to heaven lololol

Religion is for those who are weak and unable to believe in themselves so they need the comfort that there is higher purpose in life or if they just endure this life something better will be waiting in death. but there is no afterlife. There is no heaven, no sweet embrace.

Try formulating your little "God hate" rant into something intelligent and check back. I think it's great that you think you can spout out the typical anti-religion nonsense that everyone else thinks they know without having any credible substance to your post. You hate religion. We got that. It seems like, however, you're doing so out of a personal spite or just to be cool. Maybe you should try looking into a religion in-depth and seeing what you find. It doesn't even have to be Christianity. For now, however, it's obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I do my best to stradle the fence on the subject of realism and religion, but some of you guys really amaze me with the crap you post.

[RL...]

Try formulating your little "God hate" rant into something intelligent and check back. I think it's great that you think you can spout out the typical anti-religion nonsense that everyone else thinks they know without having any credible substance to your post. You hate religion. We got that. It seems like, however, you're doing so out of a personal spite or just to be cool. Maybe you should try looking into a religion in-depth and seeing what you find. It doesn't even have to be Christianity. For now, however, it's obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I do my best to stradle the fence on the subject of realism and religion, but some of you guys really amaze me with the crap you post.

I don't hate god. There is no denying that there in fact a divine spirit. Honestly, I think it's easily to believe in a divine spirit than the big bang theory. I mean something simply does not come from nothing. A universe did not explode out of a concentrated mass of what ever the fuk its supposed to be.

But I think it's utterly stupid to believe that this divine spirit, who christians call "god", told a human to write down his words and teachings and anecdotes etc in a book to be the foundation of prophecy and how to live ones life. And then depending upon how we "Act" in life we are either banished to hell or sent to heaven. Come on, think about that. Really think about that. It's the biggest crock of shit/fairy tale ever.

I have taken a few philosophy classes in college, which by NO MEANS make me a pro, but I feel has given me some different perspectives about things from different profs/students that most ppl haven't experienced. Out of all religion, I would say buddhism makes the most sense and is the most logical.

I do not hate religion, and I do not have a personal vendetta against religious ppls. But maybe you along with other religious ppls should take a look outside the box and see what you find. But wait, for those who have faith, most will not try to think otherwise because they have been conditioned and prepositioned to believe that their faith and perspective the right one. Talk about igjnorance and small mindedness.

[ahabion]

I don't hate god. There is no denying that there in fact a divine spirit. Honestly, I think it's easily to believe in a divine spirit than the big bang theory. I mean something simply does not come from nothing. A universe did not explode out of a concentrated mass of what ever the fuk its supposed to be.

But I think it's utterly stupid to believe that this divine spirit, who christians call "god", told a human to write down his words and teachings and anecdotes etc in a book to be the foundation of prophecy and how to live ones life. And then depending upon how we "Act" in life we are either banished to hell or sent to heaven. Come on, think about that. Really think about that. It's the biggest crock of shit/fairy tale ever.

I have taken a few philosophy classes in college, which by NO MEANS make me a pro, but I feel has given me some different perspectives about things from different profs/students that most ppl haven't experienced. Out of all religion, I would say buddhism makes the most sense and is the most logical.

I do not hate religion, and I do not have a personal vendetta against religious ppls. But maybe you along with other religious ppls should take a look outside the box and see what you find. But wait, for those who have faith, most will not try to think otherwise because they have been conditioned and prepositioned to believe that their faith and perspective the right one. Talk about igjnorance and small mindedness.

Buddhism is exactly what you just spoke against if that is your viewpoint of Biblical God. (Buddhism is based on your actions) Your preconception of how Christians or religious people are shows your ignorance and small mindedness. Enlighten me, what exactly is "outside the box?" As far as I know, you live in the same world that I do. As you said, you have a family, go to school, maybe work, have a life... what is it that you have that many other religious people don't? People will believe what they believe and live by what creed that they want to live by. How some see the glass half empty, some see as half full, but the fact remains... its half of something.

Just because some people believe in something does not make them so abnormally different. For most believers, the bible is just as real to them as a math book or advance physics is to you. It's foreign at first, but once you learn it and understand it, the application of it in real life actually makes sense (math, physics, and for some, the bible)

[Ran]

I don't hate god. There is no denying that there in fact a divine spirit. Honestly, I think it's easily to believe in a divine spirit than the big bang theory. I mean something simply does not come from nothing. A universe did not explode out of a concentrated mass of what ever the fuk its supposed to be.

But I think it's utterly stupid to believe that this divine spirit, who christians call "god", told a human to write down his words and teachings and anecdotes etc in a book to be the foundation of prophecy and how to live ones life. And then depending upon how we "Act" in life we are either banished to hell or sent to heaven. Come on, think about that. Really think about that. It's the biggest crock of shit/fairy tale ever.

I have taken a few philosophy classes in college, which by NO MEANS make me a pro, but I feel has given me some different perspectives about things from different profs/students that most ppl haven't experienced. Out of all religion, I would say buddhism makes the most sense and is the most logical.

I do not hate religion, and I do not have a personal vendetta against religious ppls. But maybe you along with other religious ppls should take a look outside the box and see what you find. But wait, for those who have faith, most will not try to think otherwise because they have been conditioned and prepositioned to believe that their faith and perspective the right one. Talk about igjnorance and small mindedness.

First off, thank you for putting this together in a decent manner. That shows a lot to begin with.

It seems like you're not against religion or spiritual beliefs, just organized religion and the politics in which it becomes. I'm 100% with you there. I also find it hard to come under an organized faith so I don't. Still, I don't think it's right to say that all people that do fall under the "organized religion" category are brainwashed, conditioned, close-minded morons. Like stated before, all people believe in something different. While it may not make sense to us, it could be the world to them. Besides, at the end of this road we call life, there's no telling who's right and who's wrong. We could simply cease to exist, find St.Peter at the Pearly Gates, be awoken by the second coming of Christ, or find ourselves reborn in a different physical state. Who knows?

[RL...]

First off, thank you for putting this together in a decent manner. That shows a lot to begin with.

It seems like you're not against religion or spiritual beliefs, just organized religion and the politics in which it becomes. I'm 100% with you there. I also find it hard to come under an organized faith so I don't. Still, I don't think it's right to say that all people that do fall under the "organized religion" category are brainwashed, conditioned, close-minded morons. Like stated before, all people believe in something different. While it may not make sense to us, it could be the world to them. Besides, at the end of this road we call life, there's no telling who's right and who's wrong. We could simply cease to exist, find St.Peter at the Pearly Gates, be awoken by the second coming of Christ, or find ourselves reborn in a different physical state. Who knows?

All I'm saying is, I think religious ppl focus too much on trying to convert others and on which religion is better/right/accurate, rather than trying to live a good/pure/spiritual/meaningful life. Which is what religion should be all about, essentially being the best you can be. And when a person is content and good, it radiates off of you all day long and influences other ppl to feel better about themselves.

As far as that last part goes, no one rlly knows, I personally think there will be nothingness...

[AirMax95]

Religion is for those who are weak and unable to believe in themselves so they need the comfort that there is higher purpose in life or if they just endure this life something better will be waiting in death. but there is no afterlife. There is no heaven, no sweet embrace.

Prove it! Prove that I am weak and unable to believe in myself, and need comfort that their is a higher purpose in life, or if I just endure this life something better will be waiting in death.

You seem a little angry from existing issues in your own life. Chill out.

[RL...]

Prove it! Prove that I am weak and unable to believe in myself, and need comfort that their is a higher purpose in life, or if I just endure this life something better will be waiting in death.

You seem a little angry from existing issues in your own life. Chill out.

my life is great. I have a good job, I'm going to school, I'm a decent looking person, I also have a great family. That's my point. I am having a great life without religion, and since this is possible, why the hell do so many require it? it must be because of the reason I've stated above. If you're confident in yourself that you control your destiny then you can truly do anything you want. And it's not up to jesus or anyone else to make things happen.

[sport_122]

my life is great. I have a good job, I'm going to school, I'm a decent looking person, I also have a great family. That's my point. I am having a great life without religion, and since this is possible, why the hell do so many require it? it must be because of the reason I've stated above. If you're confident in yourself that you control your destiny then you can truly do anything you want. And it's not up to jesus or anyone else to make things happen.

You are doing great without religion, but what if all that went away? Does that mean you would run to some faith or embrace a belief in God on your own? I am not trying to be smart, Im just curious? Cause that ^^^^does not seem like a reason to believe or disbelieve anything. It seems like a reason to take pride in what you have, but I don't get how you relate that into the attack on organized religion or the individuals believe in God? That's where I am really confused. I mean, I could understand if someone did something or said something to you that hurt or offended you, but if all is well while you are trusting in yourself then why make it a point to attack, belittle, or even come to a forum that is discussing religion? I really just don't understand it. Its like me going to a KKK rally just to tell them I don't agree and to call them names.


BTW,

in response to two posts ago.

The very nature of the christian faith is hypocritical. The only way we can be anything but is to admit that we are hypocritical and we don't really represent our faith the proper way. That's why even as a believer, I sometimes can't stand hanging out with them.

[btstone]

The whole bible has been twisted into so many perceptions/notions/theaories/"facts"/events/hypothesis it's ludicrous.

There are like 45809721439857237 different christian sub groups alone because everyone has there own interpretation of the bible.

That book, the bible, is the greatest scam/storybook/joke of all time. To those that take it seriously, it is so ambiguous and it's references are so vague I mean wtf do you expect to get from that crock of shit...

You can live a great life without "believing", you can be in good health, make money, feel happy, raise a good family, and be a good person ALL without beliving in religion. So what's the point? To go to heaven lololol

Religion is for those who are weak and unable to believe in themselves so they need the comfort that there is higher purpose in life or if they just endure this life something better will be waiting in death. but there is no afterlife. There is no heaven, no sweet embrace.

prob one of the most insecure statements i have read. lol.

[mccoy1178]

Ouch you guys have some harsh statements. I'll pray for you! There is no need to defend GOD, he can handle that himself. Believe what you want to believe but I know where my heart is at.

[thepolecat]

organized religion,










end of joke ha

[Terror]

Fuck religion....


Done.Happened.

[b@d @pple]

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense.

[ttman]

yee of little faith! better stay indoors when there's lightening outside!

The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree... yeah, makes perfect sense.

[Crazy Asian]

Meh this world is going down the toilet.

[jimjam187]

I myself believe in god, but we live in a country where everyone can choose what they want to believe. I think Christians are the most hypocritical people on the face of the earth, for that I am sorry for those that despise us. I don't think we should rub anything in Anyones face, tell them they are going to hell if they don't convert.
I think church has become to commercialized and a money farm. Some churches are not that way but there are a lot out there that are. All I can say is that I respect everyone's beliefs and I will never impose my beliefs on anyone.

[1CleanEg]

I myself believe in god, but we live in a country where everyone can choose what they want to believe. I think Christians are the most hypocritical people on the face of the earth, for that I am sorry for those that despise us. I don't think we should rub anything in Anyones face, tell them they are going to hell if they don't convert.
I think church has become to commercialized and a money farm. Some churches are not that way but there are a lot out there that are. All I can say is that I respect everyone's beliefs and I will never impose my beliefs on anyone.

100% agree. I am a christian but we can be and are for the most part waaaay to hypocritical and judgemental at times. I have never and will never force my beliefs on anyone. But as u said there are still "some" churches that are not that way at all.

[ahabion]

I think Penn says it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM
Enjoy.

[BABY J]

I switching. I am now a believer. I mean --- GOD created the Bang - DUH!! That's it. I mean -- imagine... ur god, chillin --- fuckin bitches -- u know, all the shit that you'd do if you were the HNIC. You rub your hands together and strain a bit --- then made a kool motion (like a Ryu finishing move) and ...

BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's sexy! Even people who don't like God has to admit that an all-powerful being like this flexing his biceps and setting shit in motion. Sounds good to me.

Later, QD

[SPOOLIN]

i watched religulous the other night, great movie.

on another note, i believe that something does happen, you go somewhere, you do something, or you might just be reborn again when you die. I refuse to believe that you just end at death and there is just nothing...you just never know what happened because that's how it goes. Oh well...this isn't a religious comment by the way. Its a statement on my thoughts. I'm not religious.

[JDMEK18]

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my life is great. I have a good job, I'm going to school, I'm a decent looking person, I also have a great family. That's my point. I am having a great life without religion, and since this is possible, why the hell do so many require it? it must be because of the reason I've stated above. If you're confident in yourself that you control your destiny then you can truly do anything you want. And it's not up to jesus or anyone else to make things happen.


Responding: I believe in Jesus not because i'm stupid, poor, laxy, etc..(saying that in a calm way - i believe in peaceful conversation and i respect that you have kept things that way) - I believe in him because in "Him" my life is complete, regardless of what comes or goes(jobs, homes, money, etc). I'm complete because of Him. You said we don't need Jesus to make things happen but can you raise yourself from the dead? Can you bridge the gap between man and God? if your family or even you become ill - can you heal their sickness? in the kindest way, NO - you can't. He is the only one that offers these things and many more. You may say that this is crazy but what if its true? What if during the day of Judgement you are raised from the dead to be judged to eternal life in hell, not death! Not saying well - worse case i'll just be dead - NO! You'll be dead in Christ (away from him) but you'll suffer forever! But if you believe - then you'll suffer "Never". Also - i just want to make the point of Christians being hypocritical, Its true we say one thing and do another but "We all do" The only reason people point us out so much is because we promote such a good life and when we don't live up to that good standard of living - it makes us look twice as bad! But its just as hard for the Christian person to live a good life as it is for you - the funny thing is that non believers will hold others to standards that they themselves can not maintain.

[DrivenMind]

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I believe in Jesus not because i'm stupid, poor, laxy, etc..(saying that in a calm way - i believe in peaceful conversation and i respect that you have kept things that way) - I believe in him because in "Him" my life is complete, regardless of what comes or goes(jobs, homes, money, etc). I'm complete because of Him. You said we don't need Jesus to make things happen but can you raise yourself from the dead? Can you bridge the gap between man and God? if your family or even you become ill - can you heal their sickness? in the kindest way, NO - you can't. He is the only one that offers these things and many more. You may say that this is crazy but what if its true? What if during the day of Judgement you are raised from the dead to be judged to eternal life in hell, not death! Not saying well - worse case i'll just be dead - NO! You'll be dead in Christ (away from him) but you'll suffer forever! But if you believe - then you'll suffer "Never". Also - i just want to make the point of Christians being hypocritical, Its true we say one thing and do another but "We all do" The only reason people point us out so much is because we promote such a good life and when we don't live up to that good standard of living - it makes us look twice as bad! But its just as hard for the Christian person to live a good life as it is for you - the funny thing is that non believers will hold others to standards that they themselves can not maintain.

Whats amazing is how much people repeat the same nonsensical excuses, that churches provide for belief in the supernatural.

Thomas Paine made the point in the age of reason, that revelation is between a man and god. True revelation does not travel via hearsay, which is all the Bible contains. Of course the church would rather you didn't know this, which is why they have practically altered the very meaning of the word, as they tend to do when people start figuring out that it doesn't make sense.

Funny thing about those non-believers.

[Nemesis]

Somewhere in this has to involve zombies.

[One_Bad_SHO]

Proof that there IS a God.

[DrivenMind]

"I think we're about to destroy ourselves, and end our civilization."
"Oh well, fuck it man, He will be risen."

The Rapture.
The most defeatist stance human beings have ever taken.
Thanks a lot religion.

[geoff]

i find all these comments very funny. i have been reading a few other threads started and have somethings to say.

1st: the reason people dont know God, the bible speaks on this and says that we are blocked from God by our sins, that and without faith how are you ever supposed to believe? you cant say there is no God or christians are wrong because you yourself have never surrendered to a higher power. when you let go of everything you have and search for God....HE WILL FIND YOU!!!

2nd: i have seen alot about why do christians try to convert people....heres a story i once heard. two men were on a plane. the stewartess came to the first man and said sir if you put on this parachut, it will make your ride more comfortable. so he put it on and after a lil while it got hot and itchy and he couldnt stay still so he took it off and threw it down. the stewartess went to the second man and said, sir the plane is going to crash, i need you to put on this parachute to live. the man grabbed hold of it and never let go. JESUS is your parachute. one day everyone dies and you will stand in His presence and be judged...Jesus is the only way to have life.

3rd: the rapture: i saw a good point on this. the bible DOES NOT contain the word rapture in it. why? because translation but the bible does talk about it. read revelations chapter 7. it talks about the rapture.

i myself am a christian. a new christian. i have been in the faith for almost 2 years now. i always believed in logic and my own mind and thought "christians" were crazy...that is untill i decided to let go and have faith. you see FAITH is whats missing from most of us. we dont believe cuz we cant see touch hear God. But i dare you...search honestly for the truth without a biased mind and you will find at the end that there is a God, He made you for a purpose, He came down as a man to show us how to live and to save our souls, He died and took our sins upon Him and rose again to prepare a place for us, and that very soon He will descend on a cloud of fire to call those who have loved Him and honored Him to be with Him and have an eternal abundant life. God have mercy on some of you, i hope and pray that one day you get to feel a brush of deity so you too can know the truth. God bless

[Maniacc]

i find all these comments very funny.

]when you let go of everything you have and search for God....HE WILL FIND YOU!!!

2nd: i have seen alot about why do christians try to convert people....heres a story i once heard. two men were on a plane. the stewartess came to the first man and said sir if you put on this parachut, it will make your ride more comfortable. so he put it on and after a lil while it got hot and itchy and he couldnt stay still so he took it off and threw it down. the stewartess went to the second man and said, sir the plane is going to crash, i need you to put on this parachute to live. the man grabbed hold of it and never let go. JESUS is your parachute. one day everyone dies and you will stand in His presence and be judged...Jesus is the only way to have life.

God have mercy on some of you, i hope and pray that one day you get to feel a brush of deity so you too can know the truth. God bless