both.
But, I voted AK for one reason, and one reason only: knockdown power. For the record, I want ZERO of the shot placement BS. Shot for shot, a 7.62 is tearing shit up and the 5.56 is just cutting a nice little hole.
both.
But, I voted AK for one reason, and one reason only: knockdown power. For the record, I want ZERO of the shot placement BS. Shot for shot, a 7.62 is tearing shit up and the 5.56 is just cutting a nice little hole.
Not necessarly true, when the 5.56 penetrates its target it tumbles and shatters leaving the target with a shit load of lead throughout the point of impact and around it. So dont completely bag on the 5.56 saying that its small and wouldnt do anything, thats the mistake that the vietcong made in the Vietnam conflict when the M16 A1 first came out, and they obvioulsy thought wrong. So essencially the 5.56 is tearing shit up, and the 7.62 is knocking shit down and punching a decent sized hole in its target.Originally Posted by KPowerEP3
Life begins at 6000 RPMS.. You will notice an audible change in engine noise, large increase in acceleration and any female passengers will immidiately start to remove their clothing.
AK-47 won the war.. Swamp, mud, rice fields, we couldn't shoot.. They could.. Maybe if we had a better gun, we wouldn't have lost that war..
If we had a foward assist on the M16A1 for the first half of the conflict, the gun would have been alot more deadly too. But I do agree with you, the AK is definatley more durable gun. But Id still take a AR over an AK any day just because of the accuracy, and you can carry more ammo on you because the 5.56 is alot smaller than the 7.62, and all you have to do is clean it and the gun will be just as good durability wise as the AK.
Last edited by VTECking; 03-26-2009 at 10:41 PM.
Life begins at 6000 RPMS.. You will notice an audible change in engine noise, large increase in acceleration and any female passengers will immidiately start to remove their clothing.
1st, the AK is just as accurate up to 200yards.. So really the accuracy argument isn't valid.. And comabt is done well withing 200 yards.. 2nd you are comparing later AR versions to the AK 47, the first version.. You should be comparing it to the later AK 47 variants like the AK 74 which is more accurate..
LOL the AR is NEVER and will never be as reliable as an AK no matter what.. Clean it? Well the mere fact that you have to clean it every time you shoot a bullet makes it inferior and a bad design.. An assault rifle used in war shouldn't be something you baby and clean all the time.. It should be something you throw around, drop in the sand, never clean, but will ALWAYS shoot no matter what..
Marines and soldiers can and do engage at ranges around and over 200m. Marines somewhat prefer this and it shows, just look at how the equip their typical squad (lots of full length M16s). And accuracy has way more to it than the where the first shot lands, follow up shots are just as important (if not more important) and the m16/m4 has the upper hand here. Giving it the upper hand in both CQB and medium range.
I am not saying the ak cant hit the broad side of a barn, but for you to say accuracy makes no difference in the argument is pure bs.
And for the varient argument, i wasnt saying the ak hasnt changed over the years. But a typical ak fanboy argues using the veitnam war as support, and suggests or flat out lies about those problems not being addressed.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
Okay, actually we can compare the AK-47 with the best varients of the AR's because the AK has pretty much not changed since '47, but the latest and greatest AR's are still AR's, they have just evolved from its more primitive state. But you cant compare the AK-74 with the AR in this debate because the AK-74 is a completely different rifle than the AK-47, the AK-74 shoots a round thats even smaller than the 5.56, it shoots a 5.45. Sure the AK-74 vs. the AR would be a better debate than the AK-47 vs AR "because of accuracy and round similarities of the AK-74 and AR", but this gun is still not the AK-47 even though its similar to it. That would be like me bringing up a HK-416 vs the AK, sure the 416 is similar to the AR, but it's also completely different. Heres a vid of it.1st, the AK is just as accurate up to 200yards.. So really the accuracy argument isn't valid.. And comabt is done well withing 200 yards.. 2nd you are comparing later AR versions to the AK 47, the first version.. You should be comparing it to the later AK 47 variants like the AK 74 which is more accurate..
LOL the AR is NEVER and will never be as reliable as an AK no matter what.. Clean it? Well the mere fact that you have to clean it every time you shoot a bullet makes it inferior and a bad design.. An assault rifle used in war shouldn't be something you baby and clean all the time.. It should be something you throw around, drop in the sand, never clean, but will ALWAYS shoot no matter what..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpZryZEiY4
Last edited by VTECking; 03-29-2009 at 12:20 AM.
Life begins at 6000 RPMS.. You will notice an audible change in engine noise, large increase in acceleration and any female passengers will immidiately start to remove their clothing.
Same can be said otherwise! AK has evolved from its primitive state..
The AR was improved where it needed to.. It didn't need or couldn't really change the round..
The AK had nothing to fix except their slight accuracy.. To improve this, (and improvement, just like the AR's) they went with a smaller round.. Still the same gun..
AR still today has major reliability issues especially in deserts.. The gun has to be cleaned, can't touch sand, can't get a grain of sand anywhere near the rifle..
The AK is dropped in sand and never cleaned.. Yet, it will shoot, every time.. A luxury AR owner cannot share..
The AK-47 should be compared to early version AR's.. AK-74 to later versions.. Of course, AR fan boys will disagree because the AK is better in both comparisons.. Saying that you can't compare them is preposterous..
AK-47 = AK
Ak-74 = AK
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