Ok, this should get this section going AR-15 VS AK-47

[VTECking]

1st, the AK is just as accurate up to 200yards.. So really the accuracy argument isn't valid.. And comabt is done well withing 200 yards.. 2nd you are comparing later AR versions to the AK 47, the first version.. You should be comparing it to the later AK 47 variants like the AK 74 which is more accurate..

LOL the AR is NEVER and will never be as reliable as an AK no matter what.. Clean it? Well the mere fact that you have to clean it every time you shoot a bullet makes it inferior and a bad design.. An assault rifle used in war shouldn't be something you baby and clean all the time.. It should be something you throw around, drop in the sand, never clean, but will ALWAYS shoot no matter what..

Okay, actually we can compare the AK-47 with the best varients of the AR's because the AK has pretty much not changed since '47, but the latest and greatest AR's are still AR's, they have just evolved from its more primitive state. But you cant compare the AK-74 with the AR in this debate because the AK-74 is a completely different rifle than the AK-47, the AK-74 shoots a round thats even smaller than the 5.56, it shoots a 5.45. Sure the AK-74 vs. the AR would be a better debate than the AK-47 vs AR "because of accuracy and round similarities of the AK-74 and AR", but this gun is still not the AK-47 even though its similar to it. That would be like me bringing up a HK-416 vs the AK, sure the 416 is similar to the AR, but it's also completely different. Heres a vid of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpZryZEiY4

[Frög]

Okay, actually we can compare the AK-47 with the best varients of the AR's because the AK has pretty much not changed since '47, but the latest and greatest AR's are still AR's, they have just evolved from its more primitive state. But you cant compare the AK-74 with the AR in this debate because the AK-74 is a completely different rifle than the AK-47, the AK-74 shoots a round thats even smaller than the 5.56, it shoots a 5.45. Sure the AK-74 vs. the AR would be a better debate than the AK-47 vs AR "because of accuracy and round similarities of the AK-74 and AR", but this gun is still not the AK-47 even though its similar to it. That would be like me bringing up a HK-416 vs the AK, sure the 416 is similar to the AR, but it's also completely different. Heres a vid of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZpZryZEiY4

Same can be said otherwise! AK has evolved from its primitive state..

The AR was improved where it needed to.. It didn't need or couldn't really change the round..

The AK had nothing to fix except their slight accuracy.. To improve this, (and improvement, just like the AR's) they went with a smaller round.. Still the same gun..

AR still today has major reliability issues especially in deserts.. The gun has to be cleaned, can't touch sand, can't get a grain of sand anywhere near the rifle..

The AK is dropped in sand and never cleaned.. Yet, it will shoot, every time.. A luxury AR owner cannot share..

The AK-47 should be compared to early version AR's.. AK-74 to later versions.. Of course, AR fan boys will disagree because the AK is better in both comparisons.. Saying that you can't compare them is preposterous..

AK-47 = AK
Ak-74 = AK

[Truegiant]

Same can be said otherwise! AR still today has major reliability issues especially in deserts.. The gun has to be cleaned, can't touch sand, can't get a grain of sand anywhere near the rifle..

Do you have any first hand experience with this? I do. ALOT! I never had a problem with the m4 platform during my entire deployment.

[BB4_to_DC2]

Same can be said otherwise! AK has evolved from its primitive state..

The AR was improved where it needed to.. It didn't need or couldn't really change the round..

The AK had nothing to fix except their slight accuracy.. To improve this, (and improvement, just like the AR's) they went with a smaller round.. Still the same gun..

AR still today has major reliability issues especially in deserts.. The gun has to be cleaned, can't touch sand, can't get a grain of sand anywhere near the rifle..

The AK is dropped in sand and never cleaned.. Yet, it will shoot, every time.. A luxury AR owner cannot share..

The AK-47 should be compared to early version AR's.. AK-74 to later versions.. Of course, AR fan boys will disagree because the AK is better in both comparisons.. Saying that you can't compare them is preposterous..

AK-47 = AK
Ak-74 = AK

The AR is by Far the better over all weapon i have both so i am not a fan boy of the black rifle or the AK but if you compare the early ARs to the Ak you might be surprised. the early models were given to us military advisers in Vietnam (Green Berets) the loved them they and they told the military the top brass thought that the 223 was to small but a lot of lobbing got them to get the ar a test run but the brass was not done the fucked the rifle all up when they issiued it to our troops saying it never had to to be cleaned bull shit every gun has to be cleaned even your ak
also the tolerance to sand is not as bad FROG says i served in Iraq and i can say i hardly had a problem with dust and sand yes the ak is very great for reliability but the accurcy sucks the only poeple i have meat that can shoot the rifle good are Special Forces Operators but that comes from years of training and E36_ACE is right about 47/74 they are completly different. AK stands for Avtomat Kalashnikova thats it bumb ass they are to different weapons so i can say the AR 6.8 piston drivin system is the the same as the AR15 because it is an AR and any way Frog how do you know any thing about AR/AK your French the only thing you guys are good for is surrendering and wiping the UNs ASS

[Frög]

The AR is by Far the better over all weapon i have both so i am not a fan boy of the black rifle or the AK but if you compare the early ARs to the Ak you might be surprised. the early models were given to us military advisers in Vietnam (Green Berets) the loved them they and they told the military the top brass thought that the 223 was to small but a lot of lobbing got them to get the ar a test run but the brass was not done the fucked the rifle all up when they issiued it to our troops saying it never had to to be cleaned bull shit every gun has to be cleaned even your ak
also the tolerance to sand is not as bad FROG says i served in Iraq and i can say i hardly had a problem with dust and sand yes the ak is very great for reliability but the accurcy sucks the only poeple i have meat that can shoot the rifle good are Special Forces Operators but that comes from years of training and E36_ACE is right about 47/74 they are completly different. AK stands for Avtomat Kalashnikova thats it bumb ass they are to different weapons so i can say the AR 6.8 piston drivin system is the the same as the AR15 because it is an AR

PUBLIC EDUCATION = FAIL..

You claim to be American and can't even write a full sentence.. Just for example, you can't tell the difference between "meet" and "meat".. You are an idiot.. Seriously, reading this gives me a headache..

and any way Frog how do you know any thing about AR/AK your French the only thing you guys are good for is surrendering and wiping the UNs ASS

LOL we will see how good you do in this war buddy.. Maybe it would of been a better idea to follow the French's advice here about Iraq don't you think cowboy?

[Truegiant]

PUBLIC EDUCTION = FAIL..

You claim to be American and can't even write a full sentence.. Just for example, you can't tell the difference between "meet" and "meat".. You are an idiot.. Seriously, reading this gives me a headache..



LOL we will see how good you do in this war buddy.. Maybe it would of been a better idea to follow the French's advice here about Iraq don't you think cowboy?

I think its public education.. but I am slow remember.

I am pretty sure your sentence should be as follows:

You claim to be an American but you cannot even write a full sentence.

[Frög]

I think its public education.. but I am slow remember.

I am pretty sure your sentence should be as follows:

You claim to be an American but you cannot even write a full sentence.

That was not directed to you.. Was it? It was to BB4_to_DC2..

BTW if you correct me, please do so correctly.. You can use either, "but" is better, but "and" isn't grammatically wrong..

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm

Anywho.. Enough of the BS.. Lets keep this on point!!

Just like I have been saying..

[Truegiant]

That was not directed to you.. Was it? It was to BB4_to_DC2..

BTW if you correct me, please do so correctly.. You can use either, "but" is better, but "and" isn't grammatically wrong..

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm



Just like I have been saying..

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