Rifle and Pistol smithing! Got bored and wanted a change.

[Truegiant]

Well I have had this Norinco for quite some time. I have always hated the factory grips. I had a set of Hogue 1911 grips laying around and decided I was going to make them work some way or another. I used a 9/64 drill bit and a 8FN tap. I used some 8/32 FN screws to hold them in place. I had to shorten the grips a little and cut them down near the slide stop. Let me know what you think.







Now on to the Mauser project. I just got this a couple of days ago. I decided a while back that I wanted to build a neat little mauser project. It was already a little sporterized but I decided to take it a little further. I dont wanna hear any of that you ruined the gun crap. I did what I wanted to do. I shortened the barrel 3". I polished the bolt and some of the internals. I sanded down and restained the stock. I have not cleared it yet. Tru oil hasnt come in. I took off the rear sight post completely. I painted the barrel with gloss black high temp paint. Once my duracoat kit comes in I will be working on that. It has a monte carlo stock on it. Let me know what you think.

[ep9716]

I Like What You Did To The Rifle Nice

[BURRITO_mike]

dude that rifle is killer son, reps

[Truegiant]

appreciate it. I ended up cutting the fore end of the stock down some more. I also put together a nice little kimber mauser. I am also in the middle of working on a nice 1911 conceal carry with all wilson combat internals and a 10" ar CQB weapon.

[Danny]

appreciate it. I ended up cutting the fore end of the stock down some more. I also put together a nice little kimber mauser. I am also in the middle of working on a nice 1911 conceal carry with all wilson combat internals and a 10" ar CQB weapon.

awesome projects as usual. i want to drop my 16" ar down to 10" so bad. But i am not ready to pay the SBR tax yet

Photos of the 1911s asap! Ill post some photos when i get to workin on my new 1911 project.

attached is a stocker photo of the new beauty. Hope to start shaving metal next week.

[Truegiant]

So you said that you are going to dehorn it? What all tools are you buying? We need to get a compiled list together so we dont double buy. I decided not to buy the colt officer instead i bought the High standard crusader. the crusader has alot of options from the factory (the company that imports them buys there internals from brownells as a kit) its a great shooter out of the box. my main reason for this is that i can sell all the "new" components to one of my referal customers and make half of my money back to make a match barrel. anywho.. I do not know which direction to go with the ar right now. I have a custom made 5.5" flash hider to make my weapon 16" atf complied. anywho.. i am thinking of just rocking my suppressor on it and changing it out if the dnr shows up. i mean seriously, how many people have actually had there serial numbers run to see if they are pistol uppers, sbr uppers, or rifled uppers. Anywho..

[Danny]

So you said that you are going to dehorn it? What all tools are you buying? We need to get a compiled list together so we dont double buy. I decided not to buy the colt officer instead i bought the High standard crusader. the crusader has alot of options from the factory (the company that imports them buys there internals from brownells as a kit) its a great shooter out of the box. my main reason for this is that i can sell all the "new" components to one of my referal customers and make half of my money back to make a match barrel. anywho.. I do not know which direction to go with the ar right now. I have a custom made 5.5" flash hider to make my weapon 16" atf complied. anywho.. i am thinking of just rocking my suppressor on it and changing it out if the dnr shows up. i mean seriously, how many people have actually had there serial numbers run to see if they are pistol uppers, sbr uppers, or rifled uppers. Anywho..

probably not many people get caught. But i think the consequences out weight the risk. just pay the 200$ (or whatever it is) SBR tax and dont put one of those silly 5.5" flash suppressors on it.

Yes i am going to attempt a dehorn, using a little bit of filing, stoning and cratex wheels.

as far as the tools:

- 8" half round file
- 8" pilar file #0 swiss
- .220" radius beaver tail jig
- trigger track stone
- 6"x1"x1" fine india stone (for stoning primiary and relife angles on the sear
- marvell sear jig
- brownells trigger stirrup die
- cratex wheels

this is what i have/am getting this week to get me rolling. Will be in addition to my dremel and other 'normal' tools.

when i get around to doing fire control i may need to get a hammer jig, i have to look into that a bit more.

also, what do u think of this. i am thinking of measuring the diameter of the hammer and sear pins, and finding a supplier. I would buy longer version, half inch or so wider than the frame. That way you could put them through the frame like normal but would stick out the side, so you could drop the sear and hammer on them and inspect the alignment for safety and function. Considering you obviously cant see them inside the frame. They sell jigs for it, but they are like 80 bucks. What ya think?

[Danny]

hey giant. started a light dehorn tonight.

[DarwinsA32]

awesome projects as usual. i want to drop my 16" ar down to 10" so bad. But i am not ready to pay the SBR tax yet

Photos of the 1911s asap! Ill post some photos when i get to workin on my new 1911 project.

attached is a stocker photo of the new beauty. Hope to start shaving metal next week.

I had a stubby for a while, no reason to cut though IMO. Mine was 11.5" with a short stroke piston retrofit,larue rails, EOT552, Standard Birdcage,DNTC muzzle break,XS .080 Front post, Magpul CTR skeleton stock, UTG flip up rears... sounds nice, but it didn't group for shit, and it made far too much noise.

Edit: remove birdcage, i have no idea why i put that there.

Why do you want a shorty?

Sold it to a cop because i didn't want to pay tax and surrender rights.


and True Giant, nice work. love the C&R pieces, you feel like tappin rail mounts on my Mauser and Mosin?

What is the degree of accuracy youre getting with the self tapping?

[Danny]

I had a stubby for a while, no reason to cut though IMO. Mine was 11.5" with a short stroke piston retrofit,larue rails, EOT552, Standard Birdcage,DNTC muzzle break,XS .080 Front post, Magpul CTR skeleton stock, UTG flip up rears... sounds nice, but it didn't group for shit, and it made far too much noise.

Why do you want a shorty?

Sold it to a cop because i didn't want to pay tax and surrender rights.


and True Giant, nice work. love the C&R pieces, you feel like tappin rail mounts on my Mauser and Mosin?

What is the degree of accuracy youre getting with the self tapping?

I want a stubby just for fun mainly. I guess the same reason everyone else wants one. Im not kickin in doors for a living or that would be the reason. overall im not too worried about it. The money towards going stubby will be paying for more training instead.

[DarwinsA32]

I want a stubby just for fun mainly. I guess the same reason everyone else wants one. Im not kickin in doors for a living or that would be the reason. overall im not too worried about it. The money towards going stubby will be paying for more training instead.

Training for what?

[Danny]

Training for what?

handgun and carbine

[DarwinsA32]

handgun and carbine

Shit, i'll have you grouping 3"s at 25 with a pistol, and sub MOA with rifles just for fun. To hell with paying.

[Danny]

Shit, i'll have you grouping 3"s at 25 with a pistol, and sub MOA with rifles just for fun. To hell with paying.

alot more than distance accuracy concerns me. but if your offering, just tell me when. Need a range to setup at (not sure where would let us), inless you have a private range which is even better.

Whats your training background?

[Danny]

Hey giant, i am probably going to dehorn the corner that runs the length of the slide along each side towards the top. What ya think?

[BKgen®]

What type of Mauser is that? Hard to tell without the original stock. Yugo M48? K98?

[Danny]

finishing up my dehorn. feels a million times better. Mr Brownells has a shipment for me tomorrow

[Truegiant]

I have been extremely busy over the last couple of days. Danny please call me john, Although I am almost six and a half feet tall and 240lbs the giant thing tends to get old, haha.

The dehorn looks good. I might have to send mine up to you to do it for me, haha. I still have not received my new CCW yet. I am getting impatient with the seller in AZ.

As far as grouping. If you cant shoot any better than 3" with a pistol at 25yds something is wrong. Anyone can shoot sub MOA with a rifle and a bipod practically. But not everyone can shoot, move, and communicate. Target acquisition, assessing the situation, engaging, maintain distance, find cover, and either assault or exfil takes alot of skill, practice, and planning.

I did almost 15 months as an infantryman in Iraq and have attended several military schools. You will never stop learning. I am even contemplating taking a carbine course this year because I am sure I will pick something up *plus i can add it to my resume when i get out* . Every time I get behind a weapon it is a training session/ learning experience. Setting up real life situations at a range with make shift targets is what its all about. It takes alot of prep work, attention to detail, and discipline urban combat. The average person who owns a weapon does not even know how to do a functions test on that weapon.

It scares me everytime I see someone at a range lay there weapon down pointed towards me. Everytime I see a bunch of hoodlums blasting away with no regard for others. I wish I had the resources to fund a range down here. When I move back up to dahlonega/ visit I will invite a select few up to do some shooting.

As for smithing, I am no pro. I learn as i go. That is why I have my shooters *high quality guns* and my tinkers*smith projects*. I am on a military budget and cannot afford to screw up a 1400 rifle just to learn. I will mess with a 200 mauser though.

Danny the dehorn looks good. Once my frame comes in and I get my parts fit and finished. I will ship it to you to do a custom danny dehorn, haha. Let me know the price. Are you planning on cold blueing it when your finished? I am in the process of getting my local smith working a deal on front cocking serrations. I am going to hold off on the SBR tax and rock my suppressor for now. Its an easy way around the SBR tax because they cannot prove the barrel is less than 16" as long as I keep it attached. I took it all out and did some field testing a couple of days ago. I am getting my uppers from a company that just picked up a new distributor. There uppers are quality for the price and offer neat things some of the big name guys dont. Once I get it all done I will get photos up. I am also stock piling ammo for my website sales. I am also building several target stands to start setting up shooting sessions at the local range during the week.

As for the mauser question its a 98. I grouped 1.5" at 100yds with factory ammo. I am sure I could dial it in with a better bullet selection but for what I am using it for it works great. Cheap little hog/deer/armadillo blaster.

I picked up a SIG PRO 2340 and ordered a 357 barrel. I am going to be trying build a couple of small custom peices for it. Its a neat little pistol for the price. I broke out the dremel and poliishing gear and got the trigger/slide smooter.

I am working in partnership with a local machine shop about getting some flash hiders made for the ar chassis. I am also getting custom charging handles, faux suppressors, and sling mounts. Once all these projects are done the website will go online. I have my meeting with planning and zoning in a couple of weeks to see about the home business office liscense. I hope all goes well. I would like to have everything done and my stock of goodies by the end of march.

I will be selling ammo, about 15 ar parts, two uppers with my logo, small 1911 parts, used GI parts, magazines, and target accessories. I dont plan on having more than about 50 parts to start with not including ammo. The ammo side of the house will be my major stock of stuff. I will be attending all gun shows and looking online to get as much bulk ammo as possible.

So anywho.. I am going to bed. Glad to see the updates and the birth of IA's soon to be record length gun thread, haha.

[DarwinsA32]

I have been extremely busy over the last couple of days. Danny please call me john, Although I am almost six and a half feet tall and 240lbs the giant thing tends to get old, haha.

The dehorn looks good. I might have to send mine up to you to do it for me, haha. I still have not received my new CCW yet. I am getting impatient with the seller in AZ.

As far as grouping. If you cant shoot any better than 3" with a pistol at 25yds something is wrong. Anyone can shoot sub MOA with a rifle and a bipod practically. But not everyone can shoot, move, and communicate. Target acquisition, assessing the situation, engaging, maintain distance, find cover, and either assault or exfil takes alot of skill, practice, and planning.

I did almost 15 months as an infantryman in Iraq and have attended several military schools. You will never stop learning. I am even contemplating taking a carbine course this year because I am sure I will pick something up *plus i can add it to my resume when i get out* . Every time I get behind a weapon it is a training session/ learning experience. Setting up real life situations at a range with make shift targets is what its all about. It takes alot of prep work, attention to detail, and discipline urban combat. The average person who owns a weapon does not even know how to do a functions test on that weapon.

It scares me everytime I see someone at a range lay there weapon down pointed towards me. Everytime I see a bunch of hoodlums blasting away with no regard for others. I wish I had the resources to fund a range down here. When I move back up to dahlonega/ visit I will invite a select few up to do some shooting.

As for smithing, I am no pro. I learn as i go. That is why I have my shooters *high quality guns* and my tinkers*smith projects*. I am on a military budget and cannot afford to screw up a 1400 rifle just to learn. I will mess with a 200 mauser though.

Danny the dehorn looks good. Once my frame comes in and I get my parts fit and finished. I will ship it to you to do a custom danny dehorn, haha. Let me know the price. Are you planning on cold blueing it when your finished? I am in the process of getting my local smith working a deal on front cocking serrations. I am going to hold off on the SBR tax and rock my suppressor for now. Its an easy way around the SBR tax because they cannot prove the barrel is less than 16" as long as I keep it attached. I took it all out and did some field testing a couple of days ago. I am getting my uppers from a company that just picked up a new distributor. There uppers are quality for the price and offer neat things some of the big name guys dont. Once I get it all done I will get photos up. I am also stock piling ammo for my website sales. I am also building several target stands to start setting up shooting sessions at the local range during the week.

As for the mauser question its a 98. I grouped 1.5" at 100yds with factory ammo. I am sure I could dial it in with a better bullet selection but for what I am using it for it works great. Cheap little hog/deer/armadillo blaster.

I picked up a SIG PRO 2340 and ordered a 357 barrel. I am going to be trying build a couple of small custom peices for it. Its a neat little pistol for the price. I broke out the dremel and poliishing gear and got the trigger/slide smooter.

I am working in partnership with a local machine shop about getting some flash hiders made for the ar chassis. I am also getting custom charging handles, faux suppressors, and sling mounts. Once all these projects are done the website will go online. I have my meeting with planning and zoning in a couple of weeks to see about the home business office liscense. I hope all goes well. I would like to have everything done and my stock of goodies by the end of march.

I will be selling ammo, about 15 ar parts, two uppers with my logo, small 1911 parts, used GI parts, magazines, and target accessories. I dont plan on having more than about 50 parts to start with not including ammo. The ammo side of the house will be my major stock of stuff. I will be attending all gun shows and looking online to get as much bulk ammo as possible.

So anywho.. I am going to bed. Glad to see the updates and the birth of IA's soon to be record length gun thread, haha.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest with ya, but not everyone has what it takes to get sub MOA groups at distance, sure, if you can't get tight patterns at 100-200 you suck balls, but past that shit gets tricky, I'm a long time distance shooter, i'll probably have a tighter group at 600 than most would at 200. Not to mention i could zero it myself just using my scope, wind direction, and a calculator.

and holding 3" at 25 yards with a pistol ain't as easy as you're making it out to be.

[Danny]

as far as grouping i honestly havent done a 25yd session to see what i do. We did do the "so you think you can shoot" drill, its 10 seperate shots from the holster at 50yds. You have 2 seconds to make the shot from the time the instructor yells contact. I can tell u i suck at that, but was probably top 2 or 3 in the class (up there with the two guys who have dozens of tactical classes under thier belt).

John, please put me on the guest list for dalanga shooting, it sounds awesome. I dont have the resources locally to setup tactical drills. I am stuck with static drills at my range, and practicing tac reloads, speed reloads, malfunction drills at home

Darwin, i am sure its safe to assume john meant shooting moa at closer ranges is doable for the average person. We all know shooting moa at say 800+ isnt a skill set most people have. Oh and yes he did make shooting 3" at 25yds sound a little easy, now im worried i cant do it lol

[Danny]

oh ya John i have 8 hours in the dehorn. Dont know why im sooo slow lol. The dehorn website i found said 30 minutes, ya effin right.

[Truegiant]

So.. I have been watching all these retarded stupid idiotic pricing on ar's and decided I was going to build one of my own. My big turn off with the AR platform is that I am in the military. I am an infantryman. I use one of these probably 250 out of 365 days a year. I have carried one everyday for 15 months in Iraq. THEY BORE ME! I saw a possibility to build a neat little rifle and then, well.. sell it.

I have used a variety of good quality parts from different manufacturers to build it up. Spikes Tactical, RRA, Magpul, Matech, etc.. Here are some misc. pics of what has come in so far. I am still waiting on getting some stuff in the mail. We shall see what happens so far. Today I built the lower.

IT IS SO EASY TO DO! Do not pay the extra money to have someone build you one. Unless its the extra 10 dollars to spikes for them to build it. Def. better to spend the 10 and not deal with those dang pivot pin detents. Once all the goods come in I will keep some pics posted up.

ON TO THE REASON OF THIS THREAD!!!!!

I purchased a High Standard Crusader 1911. I purchased this pistol because it comes with alot of neat features that the standard HS and RIA come with. Its a great out of the box shooter. I wanted to make a couple of subtle changes to have a great ALL STEEL CCW.
I ordered all kinds of stuff but its all from WILSON COMBAT. I have ordered there stuff before and never had any problems. With all there stuff I expect to have to do a little of smithing. I broke out the tool box and a couple of punches and files. I broke the entire pistol down. The only thing that I could not get to work *or should i say before i almost broke this dang thing* is the extended magazine button and the sear. I have never had a problem with there sears. EVER! It doesnt have a relief cut in it for the saftey. It will not work. I am going to run over to the machine shop tomorrow and have them fix it but i am Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----. With the mag button it just needs way to much material taken off to get it to work. I will take it to the shop as well but i dont think i will be able to use it. With that being said. Everything else works great. The trigger is crisp with what little work i did to it. I installed a set of Desert warrior grips in black. It handles well, and tomorrow after i get all the little peices fixed I will be taking it to the range to start with the shoosting! I have 6 different boxes of JHP to start with . I will be shooting different groups and changing out with different springs to find out what works and what doesnt.

WE shall see.. I hope everyone likes my gun porn.

[Truegiant]

Ok.. Ok.. I guess some explaining is in order. You didnt say ransom rest, prone, standing, stance style, etc.. on the pistol shooting. From a ransom rest or even from any kind of sturdy rest a well put together 1911 and some trigger practice should have you grouping that in no time. As far as standing with a plain weaver stance. I cannot do it. I am not going to lie. I just plain cannot. I can engage targets on the move from 25 meters and still group consistantly.

As far as long distance shooting. I meant anything under 300 meters. With a cheap scope and a factory loaded rifle most people can shoot groups *depending on the external factors* all day long.

With that being said, most people cannot hit shit past 300 meters. They dont take into account alot of the stuff that is standard under 300. I am not the best shooter in the world. I would consider myself average to maybe slightly above average. The one thing I am good at is shooting in tactical situations and being able to shoot and move.

Well.. maybe a little better than average.. haha

[Truegiant]

oh ya John i have 8 hours in the dehorn. Dont know why im sooo slow lol. The dehorn website i found said 30 minutes, ya effin right.

Its because it was your first time and you didnt want to mess anything up. Most of the people that can dehorn in 30 minutes treat there 1911's the way they should be. Like weapons and not prissy little polymers and it might get scratched. I have a old GI that I have dropped, dragged, drinched, etc.. and its prlly one of my most comfortable handlers aside from my custom Les Bear. Anywho.. let me know how much to do mine for me. I will break it down for you so all you have to do is dehorn and re ship. I will pay. Let me know.

Did you decide what your doing with the finish on yours? Are you going to just use a cold blue? Thanks

[Danny]

Its because it was your first time and you didnt want to mess anything up. Most of the people that can dehorn in 30 minutes treat there 1911's the way they should be. Like weapons and not prissy little polymers and it might get scratched. I have a old GI that I have dropped, dragged, drinched, etc.. and its prlly one of my most comfortable handlers aside from my custom Les Bear. Anywho.. let me know how much to do mine for me. I will break it down for you so all you have to do is dehorn and re ship. I will pay. Let me know.

Did you decide what your doing with the finish on yours? Are you going to just use a cold blue? Thanks

I am going to do a home done parkerize on her.

And for the 30 min dehorn, i dont understand how that is possible even with the pros. If they really can, then WOW.

Currently taking a break from doing the main radius on my beavertail that just came in. What a pain hhaa.. Dont worry, taking plenty of photos.


Oh and i like ur stubby. Is that a govt or officer frame? **Walkin back out to the shop**

[Truegiant]

officer. Its a neat little gun. I mainly am using it for the frame. Everything else is gunna be changed. The barrels on these are actually hella nicer than i thought. I will be building a race gun soon. Let me know about the dehorn though.

[Danny]

decided to post some photos since u did tonight. Brownells delivered some goodies yesterday (first photo).



Starting the main radius (made a couple strokes with the file then remembered to take a photo




Towards the end of the evening tonight. Got a little farther than this, but still has a good deal of hand fitting before the radius matches up.

[Danny]

officer. Its a neat little gun. I mainly am using it for the frame. Everything else is gunna be changed. The barrels on these are actually hella nicer than i thought. I will be building a race gun soon. Let me know about the dehorn though.

thats basically what my springfield is going through. I am keeping the frame, slide, barrel and barrel link. The rest is going out the door. This isnt going to be a race gun. THis is going to be a tactical purposed gun.

As far as dehorn goes, if u were serious about me doing it let me know. We can work something out.

[Danny]

whats everyone think about this blast cabinet? Its a little pricier than harbor freights but i think its higher quality. 187$ shipped. I wonder if the lack of internal lighting will be an issue?


Overall Dimensions: 21"H x 23-1/2"W x 18-1/2"D
Working Dimensions: 14"H x 22-1/2"W x 18"D
Window: 20-1/4" x 16-1/4"
Construction: Polyethylene Plastic Construction
Gun Assembly: Trigger Operated; 5 CFM @80-90 PSI
Dust Vacuum: Not Included
Electrical: 110 Volts
Weight: 32 Lbs.

[Glides]

My brother has a blast cabinet down here. Got legs on it. I can see if he wants to sell it to you. I believe it has lighting too.

[Danny]

My brother has a blast cabinet down here. Got legs on it. I can see if he wants to sell it to you. I believe it has lighting too.

ya shoot me a price, and model/specs if he decides to sell.

[Truegiant]

looks good. i will get in touch with you. I have been ordering about two thousand dollars worth of ar stuff for my store. i am on hold on my 357 project. and on hold with the 1911 for now. I have alot of projects going but the business is first. anywho.. i will keep yhou in touch.

[Danny]

cool man. Cant wait to see the site/store.

Hey what disconector did you go with (i dont think i saw a wilson one pictured above). I will be ordering fire control parts soon i think. Been workin on the beaver tail tonight for a while, what a time consuming process.

[Truegiant]

I installed my YHM mid length rail on it today. Now I have to decide if I want the suppressor on it or the phantom. Either way it looks sick . Now I am only waiting for my mil spec tube and thin locking rings to come in and its off to the range for more testing.

Here is a parts list for those interested.
YHM Low Pro Gas block - $20
YHM Mid Length free fload rail - $85
YHM Rail Cap - $18

Of course there are some tools involved and those are my prices minus shipping roughly. It is alot more solid and cleaner fit and finish than the utg ones. These come with a completely new locking ring so you remove the spring d ring from the barrel completely.

Anywho.. I have a flip up front and rear sight i am waiting on. I have my spikes heavy buffer and trigger guard just came in a minute ago. I should have fully completed pics in a couple of days. I can install all this stuff for whoever needs it. I can put lowers together, uppers, bolt carrier groups, etc..

Thanks again for looking importatlanta.





This rifle will be for sale when it is complete.

[Danny]

sick dude. u said that is a 10.5" right? (looks like it). How do you permanently stake a suppressor onto it, so you dont get classified as an SBR? Kick ass (minus the punisher skull, not my cup of tea)!!!!


Dude get your site going, cant wait to see it. i would like to start a site too

[Frög]

I have the same rifle case!

[Danny]

I have the same rifle case!

me too! I have the POS that comes with S&W AR's. I hope you guys have a nicer version that I do, becuase mine SUCKs lol.


oh ya.... What rail should i go with guys. Dawson or novak are on the top of my list. Photos below (dawson pic1..... novak pic 2) Novak is M1913 spec, dawson is not (but have adapters for surefire). I like the dawson cause its slim, but dont like it obviously because its not m1913 picatinny.

[Frög]

I have the same rifle case!

[Truegiant]

me too! I have the POS that comes with S&W AR's. I hope you guys have a nicer version that I do, becuase mine SUCKs lol.


oh ya.... What rail should i go with guys. Dawson or novak are on the top of my list. Photos below (dawson pic1..... novak pic 2) Novak is M1913 spec, dawson is not (but have adapters for surefire). I like the dawson cause its slim, but dont like it obviously because its not m1913 picatinny.

I have several other cases that is just the one i use to tote around when i am in the z. the others are to big to fit, haha. anywho.. i only see one pic.

I am not a big fan of rails on pistols but i have heard good things about the dawson rails.

[Truegiant]

now the second pic shows up. plus the dawson will prly help with holster draw if you do or dont have your light attached.