Animals

[4dmin]

Because if you believe that animals are not here to serve us in some capacity, food included, then you feel they are here for a "higher purpose". What's that "higher purpose", I don't know. But if you honestly feel that way, then it would stand to reason that you would NOT eat them since the act of EATING something can certainly be seen as the food SERVING for us. It's stretching, but you get the point I'm trying to make.



In the bible it clearly states in Genesis that:

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."


It goes on to say:

3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

So to ME there are clear indications of what God intended. Again, that is only IF you believe the bible. IF you don't, then I guess you don't.

it is still kill or be killed... personally you say humans are supposed to serve a higher purpose than animals, but i would own a slave and many of you too would, which is nothing more than an animal. you have to be realistic about this... as you said earlier you couldn't survive in their domain they can't survive in yours, so how are you better than an animal? We are the same just smarter.

You can't take the bible word for word anyway cause in this cause "anything that lives and moves" that would mean humans as well?

[ISAtlanta300]

it is still kill or be killed... personally you say humans are supposed to serve a higher purpose than animals, but i would own a slave and many of you too would, which is nothing more than an animal. you have to be realistic about this... as you said earlier you couldn't survive in their domain they can't survive in yours, so how are you better than an animal? We are the same just smarter.

You can't take the bible word for word anyway cause in this cause "anything that lives and moves" that would mean humans as well?

I don't get the "slave" part... My dog does not clean my house or cook my breakfast or work in my yard so I lost you there.....



Someone said something about babies and dogs being "taught" what food is and where to shit.. Thank you for making the point even more valid. That goes to show that the human brain DEVELOPS, while an animal brain DOES NOT !!

You STILL would need to teach a 6 month old puppy from the kennel where to shit, while a 6 year old may wipe his own ass already. If I brought a 6 year old to YOUR house, I do not need to teach him AGAIN where to shit.. he would KNOW to ask for the bathroom then and would KNOW what a bathroom is for. An ANIMAL can NOT figure that out for himself. THAT is the difference between Man and Animal.

[4dmin]

I don't get the "slave" part... My dog does not clean my house or cook my breakfast or work in my yard so I lost you there.....



Someone said something about babies and dogs being "taught" what food is and where to shit.. Thank you for making the point even more valid. That goes to show that the human brain DEVELOPS, while an animal brain DOES NOT !!

You STILL would need to teach a 6 month old puppy from the kennel where to shit, while a 6 year old may wipe his own ass already. If I brought a 6 year old to YOUR house, I do not need to teach him AGAIN where to shit.. he would KNOW to ask for the bathroom then and would KNOW what a bathroom is for. An ANIMAL can NOT figure that out for himself. THAT is the difference between Man and Animal.

the point about the slave what jamie kept saying i should be vegan/vegetarian, personally i eat meat b/c i like it... just as if i could own a slave i would. why b/c in this world it is survival of the strongest and the strongest will survive, that is why animals are our pets and not the other way around (ever seen planet of the apes?)

now you can't compare brain to brain, b/c the human brain is way more complex than a dogs, but dogs do learn and can be taught. humans have to be taught just the same. if you grew up w/ no one telling you about shiting in the toilet you would still be wetting your bed. the same for dogs you train them to piss outside in the yard not in your house. that is a learned behavior.

com'on guys how tuff is it to realize that humans are just the smartest of animals, look what we have evolved to. you find life so easy b/c of the 1000s of years of evolution that has brought us to present day. its like learning to walk or fly... those are learned behavior from trial and error, every living thing on this planet goes through it just some are more advanced than others. thats why dogs are mans best friend and not donkeys.

[ISAtlanta300]

the point about the slave what jamie kept saying i should be vegan/vegetarian, personally i eat meat b/c i like it... just as if i could own a slave i would. why b/c in this world it is survival of the strongest and the strongest will survive, that is why animals are our pets and not the other way around (ever seen planet of the apes?)

now you can't compare brain to brain, b/c the human brain is way more complex than a dogs, but dogs do learn and can be taught. humans have to be taught just the same. if you grew up w/ no one telling you about shiting in the toilet you would still be wetting your bed. the same for dogs you train them to piss outside in the yard not in your house. that is a learned behavior.

Not really. I would prob. be pissing or shitting in the woods. I would FIGURE OUT to use leaves to wipe my ass. I would FIGURE OUT that I "smell", therefore I must "wash" myself in the river. I would "FIGURE OUT" how to invent the wheel.

There were dogs back then as there are dogs now. But only humans have "advanced". Hmmmmmmm

[4dmin]

Congratulations.. u asked the right questions.. now look in the mirror and ask yourself that. Maybe "what is MY purpose in life? Just to live my life?"

i have and your book still doesn't answer it for me

Not really. I would prob. be pissing or shitting in the woods. I would FIGURE OUT to use leaves to wipe my ass. I would FIGURE OUT that I "smell", therefore I must "wash" myself in the river. I would "FIGURE OUT" how to invent the wheel.

There were dogs back then as there are dogs now. But only humans have "advanced". Hmmmmmmm

yes there were humans back then too and you make assumptians that you would know what to do w/o knowing anything also even eyptians buried animals w/ them for the afterlife. this is BC and the rise of Christianity.

[Jaimecbr900]

Egyptians were NOT Christians. Actually they were Christian persecuters. So if THEY believed that dogs, birds, gold, a staff, and jewelry were "needed" for the afterlife it certainly doesn't reflect anything about what Christians believe. I don't see how that could serve as "proof" of anything in this discussion.

Even if we use the evolution theory of man, it proves that man is the superior being on the face of the planet. Why? Because even in the evolution theory man evolved from simian to upright human. Dogs have evolved very little if any. How can that be considered an "equal" even IF we don't factor in the God factor?

Take that one more step: If monkeys share the majority of our DNA, have vocal chords, and a brain similar in size......how come they've never uttered a word? How come if WE evolved from THEM, WE walk upright, talk, think, and take care of ourselves totally different?

I don't see how anyone can say rationally that animals are "equals". :confused:

[4dmin]

Egyptians were NOT Christians. Actually they were Christian persecuters. So if THEY believed that dogs, birds, gold, a staff, and jewelry were "needed" for the afterlife it certainly doesn't reflect anything about what Christians believe. I don't see how that could serve as "proof" of anything in this discussion.

Even if we use the evolution theory of man, it proves that man is the superior being on the face of the planet. Why? Because even in the evolution theory man evolved from simian to upright human. Dogs have evolved very little if any. How can that be considered an "equal" even IF we don't factor in the God factor?

Take that one more step: If monkeys share the majority of our DNA, have vocal chords, and a brain similar in size......how come they've never uttered a word? How come if WE evolved from THEM, WE walk upright, talk, think, and take care of ourselves totally different?

I don't see how anyone can say rationally that animals are "equals". :confused:

i never said that animals are our equals, but that we are animals. if they were equals it would be a level'd playing field but it is not that way, we rule. much like i've said before "survival of the fittest".

the point of this topic was one do animals have a soul and two do they go to heaven. i posted info from the bible stating even animals have souls, i just think that if an animal has a soul then it must go to heaven as well. also the point about egyptians is that even races prechristianity believed in after life for animals, so i don't think its crazy to think so.