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    Indications that Jesus did have a homosexual orientation:
    "In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 For example, during the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, he describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand." 5 Jesus appears to have loved all of his male and female followers in a close, trusting, non-erotic manner. However, the "beloved" disciple appears to be in a special relationship with Jesus; the disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.

    On the other hand: Some commentators have suggested that it was a common practice in Judea at that time for heterosexual man to lay his head on another's undergarment. Such behavior was common between two heterosexuals in an emotionally close but non-erotic relationship during the first century CE. 6
    Jenny Stokes, research director for Saltshakers, a conservative Christian group in Australia, said that there are five words for love in Greek (the language in which the Gospels were written: Agape: spiritual, unconditional love,
    Eros: erotic love,
    Philia: love between friends,
    Storge: familial love.

    The Gospel references to "the disciple whom Jesus loved" use the word "agape." 3 Whether the authors originally used "eros" and the word was subsequently changed is open to speculation.


    "Jagannath" interprets the Gospels differently. He argues that Jesus may have been bisexual. He wrote: "In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha." 7
    During the crucifixion, in John 19:26-28, Jesus is described as seeing his mother and an unidentified man: "the disciple standing by, whom he loved." Jesus probably loved all of his 12 or 70 disciples in a non-sexual manner. But this particular disciple is identified as "the" disciple who Jesus loved. That might indicate a special intimate relationship with one special disciple.
    The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed with him at his place all night. More details.
    "J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts as well. 8

    On the other hand, these words have historically been interpreted as overturning the Mosaic law about eating,
    Rollan McCleary, was awarded his doctorate from the University of Queensland in Australia during 2003-MAY for his work researching the sexual orientation of Jesus and his disciples. He obtained about $33,000 US in funding from the government to finance his degree. He concluded that Jesus and at least three of his disciples were gay. He based this conclusion on excerpts from the Gospel of John and on Jesus' astrological chart based on the approximate year, month, day and place where he was born. Considering that many theologians have concluded that Jesus was born sometime in the Fall, between 4 and 7 BCE, it is difficult to understand how an accurate astrological chart can be prepared. Dr. McCleary told Australian Broadcasting Commission radio that, in the past, "one or two queer theologians" had attempted to show Jesus was gay. "People haven't taken them very seriously because they don't have any evidence and they say things so sensationally that people are not really going to listen or just be very angry. What I'm doing is showing a much more theological and also astrological dimension on all this which will make a lot more sense to people." 9 He has written a book based on his doctoral thesis which was published in 2004. 18
    An anonymous webmaster wrote about a revelation that he received during her/his daily prayer and meditation: "Suddenly many aspects of the New Testament made sense. Jesus never married. He preached love, tolerance, and forgiveness of sins. He did not condemn and vilify as his so-called followers do today. He surrounded himself with men whom he loved. The Bible says nothing of Jesus' sexuality, yet we are taught that he was both divine and fully man. Why did he never marry? Why is the New Testament silent about his sexuality? It became so clear when I had the insight that Jesus was probably gay and that He understood hatred and bigotry first-hand." 10
    Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men." 11 (Emphasis in the original.)
    Michael Kelly wrote of Jesus' attitude towards a same-sex couple as described in Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2: "One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favorite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Greco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about — and deeply moved by — their faith and love." Kelly implies that Jesus' sensitivity towards the gay couple might have arisen from his own bisexual or homosexual orientation. 1
    Some commentators argue from silence. They note that there is no passage in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) that directly describes anything about Jesus' sexuality. There are many direct and indirect references to Jesus' sensuality. He was accused of being a "drunkard and a glutton" and of partying with "prostitutes and sinners." He apparently enjoyed a tender foot massage from a woman. Yet, neither Jesus' sexuality nor his celibacy is mentioned. Yet, sex is referred to, elsewhere in the Bible, quite often. One might argue that the books in the Christian Scriptures might have once described Jesus' sexual relationships, but that these passages have been vigorously censored by the later church because they were unconventional.
    Other commentators have noted that Jesus is silent towards homosexuality in the Gospels. Yet, Paul's opinions and those of many other authors in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) are clearly stated. They conclude that Jesus might have been gay himself. Odler Jeanlouie speculated: "Is it meaningful that, in the Sermon on the Mount, central to his teaching, he offered a one-way trip to the Kingdom of God, to anyone who is persecuted?" 12

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    if ya'll don't even believe the bible exist or jesus or even God existed, how can this be true? u know, i don't see what u gain by posting this up? I understand that some people don't believe in God but by posting this up, it affects a lot of people. u may not care about that, but u can still respect other people and their beliefs. to me, this disrespects what a lot of people believe. my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD STI LOVER
    if ya'll don't even believe the bible exist or jesus or even God existed, how can this be true? u know, i don't see what u gain by posting this up? I understand that some people don't believe in God but by posting this up, it affects a lot of people. u may not care about that, but u can still respect other people and their beliefs. to me, this disrespects what a lot of people believe. my 2 cents.

    How is it disrespectful? He didn't write the article. He just copied it to IA.
    IMO opinion, you should respect others beliefs, as well. Maybe the author of the article "believes" that Jesus was gay. Your kind of being contradictory with you statement about respecting other people's beliefs.

    And...are you homophobic? Is that why this bothers you?

    I am asking serious questions. I am not attacking you. Just trying to find out why you think this is disrespectful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tracy
    How is it disrespectful? He didn't write the article. He just copied it to IA.
    IMO opinion, you can respect others beliefs, as well. Maybe the author of the article "believes" that Jesus was gay. Your kind of being contradictory with you statement about respecting other people's beliefs.
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    its not a far fetched idea, b/c in that place in time homosexual acts were very common, love was never defined until the mondern world came about.

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    I sincerely understand your point STI. This is just theory, conjecture, and etc. But, it is a legitimate topic. Most Christians abhor gays, gay marriage, and Will and Grace, but what if Jesus was/is gay? Hmm....?

    Edit: Some friends and I were dicussing this topic today, so I thought I would share with all of you. Since God created everything, it stands to reason he created homosexuality? Or was that a part of evolution? There are indications that certain people have a genetic predisposition to swing towards the same sex.
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    We're all just discussing here. I don't think anyone is trying to offend anyone. Religion is always a hot and heavy topic. Everyone is entitled to their say. Who knows...we might all learn something whilst discussing this.
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    oh no, it's not about me. I could care less about it. I'm just saying that it could be disrespectful to others. I know what I believe in and who I am. your all right, it is a free topic and people can say what they want to. I just think that others could get really offended. I guess I just think too much about what others think. for me, u can cuss or insult whoever ya'll want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    its not a far fetched idea, b/c in that place in time homosexual acts were very common, love was never defined until the mondern world came about.
    It is a far fetched idea... Jesus never sinned He was perfect. He never lusted over a women, and for sure was never with a man. The bible state's that homosexuality is a sin there fore Jesus would have never even thought about laying with a man.

    Yes we're all here to have these discussions... i've actually learned a lot about myself through them... BUT any TRUE christian would find this disrespectful, and offensive.

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    i don't think jesus was a mud digger but i'm sure he kissed a lot of people, guys included...but that was common place back then and still is now in a lot of countrys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    It is a far fetched idea... Jesus never sinned He was perfect. He never lusted over a women, and for sure was never with a man. The bible state's that homosexuality is a sin there fore Jesus would have never even thought about laying with a man.

    Yes we're all here to have these discussions... i've actually learned a lot about myself through them... BUT any TRUE christian would find this disrespectful, and offensive.
    see what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck
    i don't think jesus was a mud digger but i'm sure he kissed a lot of people, guys included...but that was common place back then and still is now in a lot of countrys.
    a kiss doesn't have to mean anything, many girls kiss their dads on the lips. does that mean they're sleeping together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD STI LOVER
    oh no, it's not about me. I could care less about it. I'm just saying that it could be disrespectful to others. I know what I believe in and who I am. your all right, it is a free topic and people can say what they want to. I just think that others could get really offended. I guess I just think too much about what others think. for me, u can cuss or insult whoever ya'll want.
    Dude, anytime religion is brought up around different faiths, believers and non-believers, it will get attention; good and bad. Your post has no relevancy in here. It wasn't an attack on religion, it was just an open topic for peoples thoughts on it. Quit trying to get shit started in here. Later, QD.
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    like STI said... i could care less what you think of me but to call MY Savior gay just isn't right. I'm sure you would get this response out of anyone from any religion that has any type of savior...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    It is a far fetched idea... Jesus never sinned He was perfect. He never lusted over a women, and for sure was never with a man. The bible state's that homosexuality is a sin there fore Jesus would have never even thought about laying with a man.

    Yes we're all here to have these discussions... i've actually learned a lot about myself through them... BUT any TRUE christian would find this disrespectful, and offensive.
    Jesus was a man, that is all that needs to be said. No man is perfect. Its funny you want to dispute things about a man you only know through a book, and the events of only his birth/death. I guess it plainly talks about his entire life in the bible, so you know for a fact what he was doing. ok your right

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD STI LOVER
    a kiss doesn't have to mean anything, many girls kiss their dads on the lips. does that mean they're sleeping together?
    no, but did i say it did??? sorry, please read again...i said it was normal for guys to kiss back then and still is normal now in a lot of places...i don't think jesus was tounge wrestling with his diciples either

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    I find it very plausible that Jesus was gay. Killer, the biblical quotes in the article are valid. So are you saying the bible is wrong? Or are you saying the bible can be deciphered in a million different ways? So in essence, we read and see what WE want.

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    Paul, to me, that's how a lot of church folks are. They think that because they go to church every Sunday and have read the Bible, that they practically are experts at the art of Christianity. They know exactly what happened each hour of those times. Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    like STI said... i could care less what you think of me but to call MY Savior gay just isn't right. I'm sure you would get this response out of anyone from any religion that has any type of savior...
    here let me quote something you may understand "turn the other cheek" its a discussion, your taking it too personal like we called you gay

    bunch of homophobics in here. geez

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    Dude, anytime religion is brought up around different faiths, believers and non-believers, it will get attention; good and bad. Your post has no relevancy in here. It wasn't an attack on religion, it was just an open topic for peoples thoughts on it. Quit trying to get shit started in here. Later, QD.
    how the hell u know if i'm trying to start shit. u don't know me to say shit about me. I know it was an open topic and like I said before, it could offend other people. if I wanted to start shit, I would. I don't have to try.

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    ^^^ There was no reason for your post. Anything religion can offend someone. So what? Didn't need you to point that out. Later, QD.
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    Back on topic. BTW, I have a very good friend that is gay. He goes to church every week, gives back to the community in so many different ways, but by Biblical terms he won't go to your Heaven? Since he's gay, he is condemned for an eternity by God? Sexual orientation makes you less of a Christian? He is probably more "Christian" than most hetero religious fanatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    ^^^ There was no reason for your post. Anything religion can offend someone. So what? Didn't need you to point that out. Later, QD.
    this is true. religion always offends everybody. but this topic is extremely sensitive for other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharm_teg
    Back on topic. BTW, I have a very good friend that is gay. He goes to church every week, gives back to the community in so many different ways, but by Biblical terms he won't go to your Heaven? Since he's gay, he is condemned for an eternity by God? Sexual orientation makes you less of a Christian? He is probably more "Christian" than most hetero religious fanatics.
    true but God created Adam and eve, not adam and steve. man was meant to be with a woman. I am not homophobic. I know gay people and don't have a problem with them. I respect their decision, but I personally don't feel like it is correct. and not just speaking biblicly. salvation to me is not just being a good christian and doing good deeds. its about living your life in faith and by faith. if the bible states that homosexuality is a sin, then how can he live his life by walking in jesus's foot steps when in the bible it doesn't state he is gay.

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    Would someone please post where it says that homosexuality is wrong in the bible?
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    Does the Bible state that Jesus is not gay? Who really knows? Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD STI LOVER
    I know gay people
    sorry i can't help but laugh... i know black people too, but it doesn't make me an expert

    so being a homo is wrong but incest is ok? its in the bible. it doesn't really matter anyone could be a homo and on their death bed ask for forgivness and they can get into heaven.

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    in proverbs it say watch out the men who "lay wait" for men. dnt remember the exact words. proverbs tell u alot, watch out for jezebels, men wanting men, flea from fornication, all kinda stuff. its been a while since i read it but its pretty good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    here let me quote something you may understand "turn the other cheek" its a discussion, your taking it too personal like we called you gay

    bunch of homophobics in here. geez
    again you can call me gay all you want i could care less what you think of me...

    and yes it talks about the life of christ in the bible....

    and pharm_teg... i didn't take the time to read your "verses" but i can promise you that if you actually read the bible not select verses... you'll get the whole picture...

    and i don't want to hear that your not trying to offend people.. have you seen your sig...... that pretty much is there to offend christians....

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    sorry i can't help but laugh... i know black people too, but it doesn't make me an expert

    so being a homo is wrong but incest is ok? its in the bible. it doesn't really matter anyone could be a homo and on their death bed ask for forgivness and they can get into heaven.
    ok, the first part doesn't have anything to do with what I said. but the last part u are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quickdodge®
    Does the Bible state that Jesus is not gay? Who really knows? Later, QD.
    YES IT DOES!!!! It plainly states Jesus was sin free... and homosexuality is a sin... put 2 and 2 together!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracy
    Would someone please post where it says that homosexuality is wrong in the bible?
    Leviticus 20:13 - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

    not saying that i believe it is wrong, people can do what they damn well please, especially if they are two hot chicks, but i was just answering your question the way the church would...

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    anyone could be a homo and on their death bed ask for forgivness and they can get into heaven.
    ^ example of someone not knowing what they are talking about. this is what u get from listening to ppl or not reading enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTEC
    ^ example of someone not knowing what they are talking about. this is what u get from listening to ppl or not reading enough.
    ok since you want to call out my answer tell me where i'm wrong... can you not ask forgiveness of your sins? does it give you some type of time frame you should do it in? it is a common practice to have a person of the cloth at your death bed, its been like this for 100s of years.

    please enlighten us w/ your wealth of wisedom on the matter.

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    Jesus was perfect...God created him to be perfect, and he was not gay.
    That's all I have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer
    and pharm_teg... i didn't take the time to read your "verses" but i can promise you that if you actually read the bible not select verses... you'll get the whole picture...

    and i don't want to hear that your not trying to offend people.. have you seen your sig...... that pretty much is there to offend christians....
    The bible is fiction. It's folklore. Nothing more and nothing less. It's been written and rewritten. I went to an all Christian school so I've burned a few bibles. As far as me offending you, can it be that easy? Is your faith in God so feeble that you would let a sig offend you? I'll keep in mind the delicate sensibilities of Christians..LoL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    can you not ask forgiveness of your sins?
    Yeah, isn't that what that book said that the Jesus dude died for? Later, QD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck
    Leviticus 20:13 - If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

    not saying that i believe it is wrong, people can do what they damn well please, especially if they are two hot chicks, but i was just answering your question the way the church would...
    Thanks.


    So, does this mean it's ok to kill someone if they are gay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tracy
    Thanks.


    So, does this mean it's ok to kill someone if they are gay?
    i guess it all depends on your definition of "ok"...before it (killing) was illegal it was actually a quite common practice

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    Quote Originally Posted by tracy
    Thanks.


    So, does this mean it's ok to kill someone if they are gay?
    no woman. that is up for God to decide what happens to them and when. not for us to take it into our hands.

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    Nothing that anyone says about religion offends me...I know where my heart is, and thats all that matters...I pray for everyone, because one day we will all come to know the truth.
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