so do animals go to heaven cause they might not have the capability to believe in 'god'? (in reference to christianity)
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so do animals go to heaven cause they might not have the capability to believe in 'god'? (in reference to christianity)
Val for President
Well, God spelled backwards is Dog......so....
hahaha but i heard somewhere (dont know if its true) that animals dont go to 'heaven' because they have no soul or some shit
Val for President
isint there a film related to dogs in heaven or something..lol
lol there is 2 films 1 and 2 lol
Actually you're right.... animals do not have a soul. there fore they can't make it into heaven. an animals role in life is basically to keep this world going.... Like all animals have a purpose to fulfill. as do insects... and so on and so forth. God put everything on this earth to do a job....
so my dog is ging to hell??!!Originally Posted by Killer
You are right. Most animals, not all were just put on earth for food.
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yeah.... isn't so weird that everything in this earth has a purpose.... this world is so organized and so well planned...
this is another reason i dont believe in christianity
Val for President
well that's weird cause when u look at it that way.... it makes sense... think about how organized this world is... that doesn't just happen....
and if it doent just happen than how does one explain the ability of frongs to change sex in a single sex invironment. (similar to what is talked about in the DNA fillers of Durassic Park moves) do minimal research and you will find that there are infact frogs that can do this
...... you have no point there... it just added to my point... that seems pretty organized to me... like something gave the frogs the ability to do so... they don't just go... "eh i want to have a gina today instead of a penis!" and i've had plenty of pets... and i understand what ur saying, but they don't have thoughts like human thoughts.
no.... it's not going anywhere... if it doesn't have a soul to carry on after death it's not gonna go to heaven or hell... (sorry i should have explained better)
ok since animals don't have souls, what is your definition of a soul??? how can you say you have a soul and an animal doesn't??? many christians bury their animals, what do you do?
don't animals have thought, action, & emotion??? i know mine do.soul( P ) Pronunciation Key (s
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n.
- The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
Psalm 84:11
"For the Lord God is a sun and shield; The Lord gives grace and glory; No good thing does He withhold from those who walk uprightly." NAS
So God doesn't deny anything good from us. My cat is a good thing. It also says there will be no tears in heaven, and I will certainly cry if he is not there.
That is not the "good thing" that is meant. A million dollars is also a "good thing" to you now.. maybe so is your beloved car....
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
no you won't.... you'll not even have a thought of something or someone that is not in heaven...
I know. I know. But it makes me feel better right now.
animals were created to server humans, and to do their jobs on this earth. and that's it.... humans were created to worship God, (same as angels) the only difference in humans and angels is the fact that we have a choice. The only way still to make it to heaven is to worship God.... Have you ever seen a dog lift up it's paws and praise the Lord. Animals don't have thought... They have instinct.
I dont buy that shit in the least, Im not here to worship anyone or anything.
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animals dont have thought...................have you ever owned or spent any time with an animal.....i tell you my dogs are not smart by any means but those fucks sure as hell do have the ability to think
ok if my point furthers your that is fine....but how do you know that they dont have thought like you and i...and i woould say that at least 100 times pre day my dogs reaches into the air...do i know if they are worshiping god or worshiping me or just happy to see me. sure we assume it is that latter of all the example but do we know.....the answer is NO b/c we are unable to communicate with them......
If dogs, or any other animal for that matter, could think like human beings and have logic and true emotion they would be a lot more complex than just "bark" "meow".... there would be a lot more to the animal itself.
well animals problem solve and show emotion... my dog is a fucking genius if he could speak english he'd tell you that your full of shit and he'd kick your ass
well animals problem solve and show emotion... my dog is a fucking genius if he could speak english he'd tell you that your full of shit and he'd kick your ass
LOL please do not confuse "TRAINING" an animal with INTELLIGENCE !!! Even "roaches" can be trained. Does that mean they have logic? Or thought?
You can teach a parrot to "talk". That does not mean that it knows what it is saying.
You can teach a "chimp" to react to numbers and figures.. but he just ain't going to do it by itself.
etc etc etc......
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
If your so set on there not being a God... Why do you care if your dog's gonna go to heaven or hell/has a soul? On another note... your all about proof. prove to me your dog thinks logically instead of just having instinct. show me a wild dog, not a trained dog, that does more than it has to to survive in the wild(since that's what u mean by problem solving)... show me all the inventions they've made... animals are trained to do things, have you ever seen an animal just decide one day to play an instrument... no... not unless it was trained to do so....well animals problem solve and show emotion... my dog is a fucking genius if he could speak english he'd tell you that your full of shit and he'd kick your ass
dude it was a joke about my dog, but if humans have a soul then so do animals... and animals don't have to be taught anything they evolve just like humans do, they can problem solve just as well. i have a dog that knows how to open my front glass door by herself. i never taught her shit, but since she can see me and other walk through the same door so easily she learned how to do it.
furthermore you are nothing but an animal... if i stuck you in the jungle you wouldn't last 24 hours, so who is more evolved animals or humans????
THATS WHAT I HATE ABOT CHRISTIANITY
EVERYONE THINKING THAT HUMANS ARE THE GREATEST THING EVER AND EVERYTHIGN REVOLVES AROUND US.
WELL THAT SHIT DOESNT HAPPEN LOOK AT THE UNIVERSE DOES IT STILL REVOLVE AROUDN THE EARTH LIKE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT?
Val for President
What I don't like is people who think CHRISTianity is about people. :jerkit:
You haven't added anything remotely intelligent to any of these conversations. You are simply, "I hate this...", and "I hate that..."and lame joke here about God and lame joke about that God.
We are trying to have an intelligent discussion among adults w/o making it personal. IF you have nothing intelligent to add, go back to lurking instead of spouting hate.
BTW, what SHOULD we revolve around??? YOU????And the Earth is not flat either.....and there arent' dragons waiting to eat ships at the edge either....what's the point???? You are all about HATING people. Who DO you like anyway????
then tell me how christianity doesn not revolve around people and their belief in god?What I don't like is people who think CHRISTianity is about people.
what SHOULD we revolve around??? YOU????
and i never said what WE should revolve around now did i?
who did i say i hate? find it for me and ill give you an explanation
Val for President
BTW, I'm an animal lover, but animals were DOMESTICATED. No animal was ever born domesticated, until we intervened. So the intelligence or lack thereof in animals was taught to them by US.
If we'd never domesticated any animals, they'd stayed as originally intended and that was to serve us at whatever level they could.
nah i think its more af an adaptation issue that humans have adapted more and so we may be superior but we would be no where without animals. but i will never feel that animals are on earth to serve us
Val for President
That's your perrogative.
What do you think animals were put here for then?
i dont think they were put here for anything more than we are here for.
just live our lives
Val for President
You need to speak English or Spanish because that's the only languages I understand throughly.
You said absolutely nothing there.
sorry i forgot one word. my last post was all in reference to thsi question you asked, "What do you think animals were put here for then?"
i dont think they were put here for anything more than we are here for.
just to live our lives
Val for President
he is saying that animals and humans were put here for the same reasion and that reason is simply to live life...........that is what i got out of it
all animals are domesticated, just as humans are... why do you think animal hunt in packs and live in heards, is that not domesticated behavior? i believe it is. Just as you or I... your parents domesticated you, w/o them you would be wild just like an animal. I you put a child in a room to grow up in w/o any contact what do you think the child will be??? he will be an animal, he will know nothing more than animal instinct, b/c that is what he can learn.BTW, I'm an animal lover, but animals were DOMESTICATED. No animal was ever born domesticated, until we intervened. So the intelligence or lack thereof in animals was taught to them by US.
If we'd never domesticated any animals, they'd stayed as originally intended and that was to serve us at whatever level they could.
i think you people need to rethink what you have learned b/c animals serve a far greater purpose than you can image. its amazing that, heard of animals can live off the jungle/forest alone, but you or I wouldn't last 24hrs w/ all of the knowledge we have.
That's the old Nature vs Nurture debate but only referencing animals.
If animals were put here for a "higher purpose" than to serve us as either food, to help work, or companionship, then why aren't you a vegeterian???? Wouldn't everyone BE vegeterian then? If you truly believe that, then why eat a burger or hot dog?
Animals survive in the wild better than we do simply because that's their instinct. You put a Gorilla in the middle of Manhattan and he'd survive as long as you would in HIS environment w/o prior training. Point? It doesn't make him SMART to do what he has been programmed and taught to do. It merely makes him a survivor technically. Take him out of his environment and what happens? If not taught or taken care of by a HUMAN, he'd perish just as any other thing taken out of their natural environment. Humans are the only species able to adapt fast enough to prolong the inevitable and sometimes even adapt completely.
If I take your poodle and put it in the Jungles of Brazil, it will die just as fast if not faster than you would. It's not used to fending for itself and other animals may come along and eat it. You on the other hand could atleast forage for food, make shelter, and depending on training could survive for an indefinite amount of time. Animals hunt in packs and stand in herds merely out of instinct and survival. Majority of the time they are preprogrammed that way just like a computer. Some animals also NEVER hunt in packs and NEVER stand together in herds. Does that mean they are less of an animal for it? No. Just programmed different.
BTW, just FYI.....I will check for sure, but it is my understanding that the bible says something to the effect of "IF you've never been given a choice to believe in God (i.e. babies, animals, far off tribes, etc) that you will not be condemned". Again, don't quote me, but I've heard that before somewhere. I will look it up to give the exact verbage. This is where the Catholic church gets the idea of "Purgatory", a place that is neither Heaven nor Hell. I will check tonight when I go to church, so noone start a flaming war about this just yet.
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