What is your stance on incest? And do you think you were brought here by incest?
2 storys always stick out in my mind Adam/Eve & Noah... both are prime examples of incest. What is your take on this?
Question for the christians?
What is your stance on incest? And do you think you were brought here by incest?
2 storys always stick out in my mind Adam/Eve & Noah... both are prime examples of incest. What is your take on this?
Stance on incest? That's rather obvious isn't it? It's wrong.
Point out a passage in the Bible where it says it's not.
What you are getting at is that if both the stories are true, then incest happened then, right?
I'm not sure how the church explains that one, but I'm going to find out.
I'd venture to guess that it may be a combination of both a means to an end and evolution of the human races. Again, that's just a guess because I don't know for sure.
But remember that if we use the same logic and apply it to the Big Bang theorists, the idea would be the exact same. Cavemen would've had to commit the same incestual relations in order to procreate. What does that make yall's stance on incest then?
Well if the stories are true then it would lead to obvious incest, as far as the Big Bang theory in some form or fashion it would have to be true, it was a common practice in ancient times.
I'm just wondering what everyones stance is on this b/c some believe incest is bad and those stories have nothing to do w/ incest.
It for sure says it's wrong. And again not everything in the bible is not fully explained... Adam and Eve were the First... It never says
the only.... as far as i know... and Noah... I'll have to read up more on that and get back to u....
Its tech only incest by def w/ in 3rd cousin range. Noah, and his family on the ark was not 4 people. It was thier extended family as best I recall. It'd be like you goin to a fam reunion and gettin all those pople together, some you dont even know. Back then, most people never left a 3-5 mile radius they were born in, so they knew thier relatives, and 3rd and 4th cousins were not as close as we make them out to be. They may be as we would refer to as distantly related now.
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Incest is wrong. That being said, this is one of those things we just have to believe, that God would not let the children be inbred in order to populate the earth.
Originally Posted by Wedge
of course, GOD would never put something of such filth in the bible... let me guess Adam, Eve, & the other thousand of people were instantly in the garden of eden
Neither were instant... God made them in His own likeness....
There is far worse things in the Bible then incest.
And do you think God had create thousands of people in order for the world not to be filled with incest?
well abviousley i dont wnat to have sex with my brother ( i dont have a sister...) JOKE... anyway i find it only logical that it hapend in some form, if not at the time of the bible at least during roman times and the time of the people setteling the NEW world for FREEDOM of RELIGION
wrong, god created adam/eve, they populated the world... ya did they just wave a wand or did they fuck like rabbits... exactly.
noah the samething. noah and his family was on the boat.... hello even if your brother was fucking your wife their kids would have to screw someone in the family for the next generation... again we have incest.
actually thousands is an understatement... more like millions. its almost impossible to not think you are here by incest... back into bc up through the middle ages incest was common, specially since people live in small groups.There is far worse things in the Bible then incest.
And do you think God had create thousands of people in order for the world not to be filled with incest?
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ummm??? made/created that's basically the same thing..... so how was i wrong.... just read the begining of the bible it explains the whole thing.... Genisis... and maybe exodus...
"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..."
Deuteronomy 27:22
"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing...."
Leviticus 20:17
Yet Abraham marries his father's daughter and remains God's favorite:
"And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake. And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."
Genesis 20:11-12
i'm sorry i miss read what you wrote i though the first line said "neither were incest"... i think faster than i type sometimes... but anywho... what was the point you were making????
If you are talking about Adam and Eve.. yes, they did sleep with each other.. and their children slept with each other...
On the other hand... If it was you and your sister alone in the world.. with nobody else around.. and you should either pro-create or die off.. would you do it out of a need? Or just let the human race die off?
Let us be a little bit more crazy
Suppose the earth were to be destroyed, and you were able to get away on a spaceship with your family and land on a planet full of water and oxygen...
Your parents can not procreate anymore....
Would you start a new generation with your sister? OR simply go the way of the Dodo?
There is a difference between a "need' and just "lust".
Besides, once Adam and Eve "sinned" in the Garden, they were "living in sin" ever since. They were NOT married for starters. And their children inherited their sins..and their Children's Children.
Once this whole "chain of events" got started, it is not too far fetched to imagine that they would do such things as incest and brothers killing each other (Cain and Abel).
The end.
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just some food for thought, but the bible was written by humans......................
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God has no need for a pencil in Heaven.
In other words, WHO would write ANYTHING about God? There are only two choices: God himself or MEN. No other choices are they????
Every single religious document in every single religion was "written" by a man. Does that change the message? To people like you, obviously the answer is yes.
thank you exactly what i was trying to state... many seem to think incest is wrong and poof people were born.If you are talking about Adam and Eve.. yes, they did sleep with each other.. and their children slept with each other...
On the other hand... If it was you and your sister alone in the world.. with nobody else around.. and you should either pro-create or die off.. would you do it out of a need? Or just let the human race die off?
Let us be a little bit more crazy
Suppose the earth were to be destroyed, and you were able to get away on a spaceship with your family and land on a planet full of water and oxygen...
Your parents can not procreate anymore....
Would you start a new generation with your sister? OR simply go the way of the Dodo?
There is a difference between a "need' and just "lust".
Besides, once Adam and Eve "sinned" in the Garden, they were "living in sin" ever since. They were NOT married for starters. And their children inherited their sins..and their Children's Children.
Once this whole "chain of events" got started, it is not too far fetched to imagine that they would do such things as incest and brothers killing each other (Cain and Abel).
The end.
sorry i just can't look at it that way.... it may be tru but that's one question i'll wait to ask God.
God chose to only make adam and eve. He knew after they sinned, that either they would have to procreat and sense their children would have to either sleep with one another or God would have to make them a mate so they wouldn't have incest. I maybe wrong but I don't remember reading the Bible say either way. I will have to read up on it.
I don't think the Bible says either way.... so that leaves it open to the fact that He could have created more people...
another back from the dead
people like me? LOLOLGod has no need for a pencil in Heaven.
In other words, WHO would write ANYTHING about God? There are only two choices: God himself or MEN. No other choices are they????
Every single religious document in every single religion was "written" by a man. Does that change the message? To people like you, obviously the answer is yes.
anyways to respond to your comment, the message might be the same but the details will always vary to favor how the person feels
Val for President
We are just past Easter, so I'm going to use a double pun.......
HOLY RESURRECTION BATMAN!!!!
People like you, as in Atheists.
The big argument about this was that the "Bible" was written by "man" THEREFORE it MUST be as fallable. MY point was that there are only 2 authors it could EVER be written by: GOD himself or Man. There is no other possibilities until Animals or plants can write. Right or wrong? So therefore, merely because "man" writes something doesn't automatically make it wrong. How many other things clearly written by our fellow man do we not teach others and use everyday as 100% correct? How many scientific THEORIES are taught as 100% correct everyday in schools and colleges, and theories by definition are more ideas than concrete proof??? I could go on and on.
Point is pretty clear; it is a cop out to simply dismiss the Bible BECAUSE it was written by mortals. The message is the reason for it, not who literally wrote it.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLWe are just past Easter, so I'm going to use a double pun.......
HOLY RESURRECTION BATMAN!!!!
i knew you meant that it was more of a joke along the lines of assumption but its all goodPeople like you, as in Atheists.
i dont simply dismiss the bible because it was written by man, im just saying that you and i both know that the bibel could have EASILY been tainted with because it was written by humansThe big argument about this was that the "Bible" was written by "man" THEREFORE it MUST be as fallable. MY point was that there are only 2 authors it could EVER be written by: GOD himself or Man. There is no other possibilities until Animals or plants can write. Right or wrong? So therefore, merely because "man" writes something doesn't automatically make it wrong. How many other things clearly written by our fellow man do we not teach others and use everyday as 100% correct? How many scientific THEORIES are taught as 100% correct everyday in schools and colleges, and theories by definition are more ideas than concrete proof??? I could go on and on.
Point is pretty clear; it is a cop out to simply dismiss the Bible BECAUSE it was written by mortals. The message is the reason for it, not who literally wrote it.
and i am not trying to shake anyones faith im just saying how i feel
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actually you can b/c people specially during this time period were not too smart, and would of believed David Copperfield was a GOD, but the point is anything written by man has objectives and opinions... your getting the one mans perspective....Point is pretty clear; it is a cop out to simply dismiss the Bible BECAUSE it was written by mortals. The message is the reason for it, not who literally wrote it.
The bible was written by man, inspired by God. I don't think that He'd (a) let anyone just write the books he is using to be our guide, etc. (b) not have a part in the creation of it all.
going to th e whole written by man business
you could say the same thing about Science. it was created/taught whatever by man so it must by flawed. it seems like every day we find out that something we thought was good for us is actually bad. ex: eggs are good for you-just the whites are good-only the yokes are good-their both good for you it's just gotta be cooked properly.
just my
yes they keep reviewing science and making it more accurate, but they dont ever question the bible.....going to th e whole written by man business
you could say the same thing about Science. it was created/taught whatever by man so it must by flawed. it seems like every day we find out that something we thought was good for us is actually bad. ex: eggs are good for you-just the whites are good-only the yokes are good-their both good for you it's just gotta be cooked properly.
just my
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what are you talking about? i dont see anyone who follows the bible questioning it, do you?
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I thought you meant Scientists. I was like are you kidding me. that's kewl.
maybe not here. but I'm sure they exsist. different denominations do all the time. I maybe wrong but I think, Espicopalians don't think the Bible is all actual events just teachings or something like that. maybe not questioning in the way you would.
Yeah, people don't question there own interpretation of the bible, they question other people's interpretation of the bible. That is why there is so many different versions of christanity.
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Not only that, but interpretation is the biggest differences in most religions. We may all read the same words, but come out with different messages. This is where overzealous Preachers really give Christianity a bad name. If more people took the time to actually read the Bible themselves FOR themselves rather than have it read to them on Sunday, you could easily weed thru the snake oil salesmen.
you are right on that, because i grew up attending the episcopalian churchI maybe wrong but I think, Espicopalians don't think the Bible is all actual events just teachings or something like that. maybe not questioning in the way you would.
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LOL...Snake oil salesmen indeed!
And youre right about reading it for yourself!
I find that its best to let the Bible interpret itself rather then placing an iterpretation upon it. Its a unique book in this regard. For every question raised in one place theres usually an answer in another.
^ I see you deleted this comment... "we would have never been where we are today"... ya please expand, maybe you or your book wouldn't be, but I know for a fact they weren't very bright. Considering it was the begining of Monotheism... ya i wouldnt' consider them rocket scientist and they were common people who had very little to no education.wtf? If people were really "not too smart" during this time, then we would have never been where we are today.. food for thought.
Hell your same people were still burning people at the stake what 250 years ago for being whiches... ya they deserve a Darwin Award for being so dumb.
Anything written by man is questionable, this includes the bible/science... the only difference is we rewrite science with new technology and information... we don't rewrite the bible w/ new evidence b/c the BIBLE is taken as truth/factgoing to th e whole written by man business
you could say the same thing about Science. it was created/taught whatever by man so it must by flawed. it seems like every day we find out that something we thought was good for us is actually bad. ex: eggs are good for you-just the whites are good-only the yokes are good-their both good for you it's just gotta be cooked properly.
just my
its funny how that works.
Again, WHO else would "write" anything if not man?Anything written by man is questionable, this includes the bible/science... the only difference is we rewrite science with new technology and information... we don't rewrite the bible w/ new evidence b/c the BIBLE is taken as truth/fact
its funny how that works.
Second, isn't "science" taught each and every day in schools all across the world as FACT? If so, then why wouldn't we discontinue classes all together since clearly what is being taught today could be wrong or different tomm????
Answer: Same reason religion evolves and things DO change over time in people's belief system.
What all kinds of different churches teach or preach has most certainly changed/evolved/adapted over the years based on lots of variables. One variable that hasn't changed much, if any, is the CORE belief that the BIBLE is at the center and everything else revolves around it's teachings. What those teachings are is the key and everyone must make their own decision as to that. But certainly preachers and churches and parishioners have changed a bunch over the years.
So just like students in a classroom at school that learn what is being taught today as "fact" don't discontinue their studies because they know somewhere down the road it may or may not different......religious people hold fast to a belief that although science may change daily, the basic core belief that Jesus Christ came....died....was buried....was resurrected from the dead....and honest belief in him is our ONLY ticket to Heaven......has NOT changed in Millenia. There is a ton more and we can make it exponentially more complicated, but the CORE belief has not been any different regardless of time.
Unlike "science", which ironically enough many of you whole heartedly believe in and use to refute Christianity itself, which is ever changing and always refuting itself. The earth is flat.....the sun revolves around the earth....this potion I made up in my backyard cures everything....
um that pretty simple GODAgain, WHO else would "write" anything if not man?
I knew it would come to this, that is why I deleted it.
Ever think that people 500 years from now would think the same about us now? Do you really think we have reached our "pinnacle" of knowledge this century?
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