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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Both alcohol and cigs should be illegal, in fact I would rather majijuana was legal and cigs were not. At least marijuana isnt physically addictive. Since pure tobacco isnt nearly as addictive as the niccotine laced cigs sold in the country now, I think that will eventually happen to marijuana.
    I agree, cigs and alcohol should both still be illegal.

    Afterall, when Alcohol was last illegalized, it wasn't produced, distributed, sold and consumed. And the aforementioned scenario didn't create a tremendous gap in the economy for organized crime to fill after legitimate business was forced out of it.

    Oh wait, it did? So not only did prohibition not stop people from drinking, it actually created a tremendous niche in the market for the nefarious and inherently criminal black market to fill?

    YES, YES IT DID. THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. HOW ARE YOU SO STUPID?

    This is really all there is to be said about this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBA-GA-NUSH
    Support Barney Frank's Personal Use Act!

    Marijuana decriminalization bill gaining support in Congress..

    July 30, 2008

    Barney FrankMPP's Rob Kampia and Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) held a press conference to support H.R. 5843, the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008...
    You and this bill are retarded. I have highlighted the Major flaw in this bill!
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    Quote Originally Posted by richw131
    You and this bill are retarded. I have highlighted the Major flaw in this bill!
    How is that the Major Flaw?

    I guess that's the same flaw that allows responsible adults to drink alcohol, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uproot
    How is that the Major Flaw?

    I guess that's the same flaw that allows responsible adults to drink alcohol, huh?
    OwNeD

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselNuts
    Im gonna have to disagree with this. A coke head isn't gonna quit doing coke and start smoking pot in its place because its legal. It doesn't work that way.
    I wasn't saying that decriminalized pot would cause people to stop doing harder drugs. I was saying that decriminalizing pot and opening up a channel for legal distribution would hurt drug dealers.

    The black market for pot would be seriously affected by the opening of a legal market. Since the same people who sell pot are also selling meth, coke, heroin, X, etc then if the black market for pot goes bust the market for hard drugs will be negatively effected because selling drugs will become less profitable overall.

    To put it another way, if I sold ricer parts for half the price of Pep Boys, the change in price would not only affect Pep Boys' ricer part sales, it would affect price in other areas of their business as well such as batteries and tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abandon
    You got me. I'm 'FTL' because I choose to smoke. Sorry I can't make you happy, Sir. I'll try harder from now on. /Sarcasm. You act like you're in a level above me and can criticize me because of something I do. Not you, not your mother, not your friend, a complete stranger. Who you know nothing about. Continue living a wonderful life with clean lungs and I'll continue inhaling tobacco.

    You're really showing me how much you don't care. Fantastic isn't it?
    Awesome that you add bullshiit to my post again, you are getting defensive because you said that you "can quit if you want to" and I said "I've heard that before". I dont see what your problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uproot
    How is that the Major Flaw?

    I guess that's the same flaw that allows responsible adults to drink alcohol, huh?
    Exactly.

    People drive drunk. People drive drunk and kill others due to their stupidity.


    The Major Flaw, for the slow minded like yourself, is that very few are truely responsible adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdare23
    OwNeD
    Refer to my post above, moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revmaynard
    I'd rather the world be full of potheads than child molesters. Just my .
    I'd rather both be done away with personally.

    The difference here is that I just joke on the pedo thing while the potheads in this thread are, in fact, actually stupid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by abandon
    Addiction is a state in which the body relies on a substance for normal functioning and develops physical dependence. Endorphins(You almost spelled it right, not bad)are endogenous opioid polypeptide compounds. They are produced by the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus in verebrates during strenuous exercise, excitement, and orgasm. They resemble the opiates in their abilities to produce analgesia and a sense of well-being. Endorphins work as 'natural fever relievers.'

    And dopamine is something completely wrong which shouldn't have even been thrown in there.
    I commend you for your dragon level wikipedia copy and paste skills.

    Chill out, I promise you that no one on here (including DiesNuts) cares if you smoke tobacco or not. You just have to realize how ridiculous of a claim it is to say that you're not addicted yet have quit multiple times (hence restarted multiple times). That is all. Let it go.




    As for the original topic, I'm kind of conflicted. Generally, yes, I do believe that it should be legalized. Like multiple people have posted, making it illegal has caused nothing but a black market to form (much like prohibition). Legalizing it, I believe, would reduce crime. As for hard drugs, they should stay illegal. The addictive properties and effects of cocaine and heroin for instance lead to irrational thinking. A junky will do anything to get their next fix. The difference between this and a hobo stealing for food (as someone mentioned earlier) is that someone who is hungry is still in their right mind. Someone who is going through heroin withdrawal is bat**** crazy. Sure a lot of money is spent fighting the flow of hard drugs in the US, but I feel that it's a noble battle.

    When comparing alcohol to cannabis, I do agree that in the short term alcohol can be more damaging. Physical and sexual violence are defintiely linked with being drunk and definitely not with being stoned. Driving under the influence of either substance is absolutely retarded so that argument against drinking is null and void.

    However, I'm a little worried about the societal and long term effects of legalization of weed. Smoking makes you absolutely worthless. This is something I wouldn't have really believed myself until visiting Amsterdam three weeks ago. I had smoked before on rare occasions, but never like that weekend. And I wouldn't be surprised if I never smoked again.

    Both substances are bad. Personally if I'm planning on abusing a substance, I'd choose alcohol any day of the week. If I'm going to be retarded, I'd at least like to be social while I am and not sit around playing Wii all day. Ultimately, however, I don't believe either substance would be the downfall of society.


    This got a little long, so cliffs:
    -Abandon needs to cool it
    -weed should be legalized (coming from someone who wouldn't smoke it)
    -Hard drugs should stay illegal
    -alcohol and weed are both bad, but not horrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    I'd rather both be done away with personally.

    The difference here is that I just joke on the pedo thing while the potheads in this thread are, in fact, actually stupid.

    QFT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    the potheads in this thread are, in fact, actually stupid.
    I cant speak for the people in this thread, but I have friends that smoke wiid regularly that are very intelligent. Saying that all potheads are stupid isn't an accurate statement at all. I myself have quit smoking pot just over a month ago, but I still have no problem with the people that do smoke it.

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    Why are people using the "black market" as an excuse to legalize something? That is the dumbest reasoning you could even come up with. There is a black market for ANYTHING that is illegal. Pot, cocaine, child pornography, stolen car parts, and anything else you can name.

    So we should just legalize everything because there's going to be a black market for it anyway right? Yeah, that makes a load of sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by DieselNuts
    I cant speak for the people in this thread, but I have friends that smoke wiid regularly that are very very intelligent. Saying that all potheads are stupid isn't an accurate statement at all. I myself have quit smoking pot just over a month ago, but I still have no problem with the people that do smoke it.
    A person can be intelligent and still be f*cking stupid. A guy with a degree from Harvard can be intelligent as all hell but, if he becomes an alcoholic, then he's still f*cking stupid.
    Last edited by Ran; 08-13-2008 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deke
    I commend you for your dragon level wikipedia copy and paste skills.

    Chill out, I promise you that no one on here (including DiesNuts) cares if you smoke tobacco or not. You just have to realize how ridiculous of a claim it is to say that you're not addicted yet have quit multiple times (hence restarted multiple times). That is all. Let it go.




    As for the original topic, I'm kind of conflicted. Generally, yes, I do believe that it should be legalized. Like multiple people have posted, making it illegal has caused nothing but a black market to form (much like prohibition). Legalizing it, I believe, would reduce crime. As for hard drugs, they should stay illegal. The addictive properties and effects of cocaine and heroin for instance lead to irrational thinking. A junky will do anything to get their next fix. The difference between this and a hobo stealing for food (as someone mentioned earlier) is that someone who is hungry is still in their right mind. Someone who is going through heroin withdrawal is bat**** crazy. Sure a lot of money is spent fighting the flow of hard drugs in the US, but I feel that it's a noble battle.

    When comparing alcohol to cannabis, I do agree that in the short term alcohol can be more damaging. Physical and sexual violence are defintiely linked with being drunk and definitely not with being stoned. Driving under the influence of either substance is absolutely retarded so that argument against drinking is null and void.

    However, I'm a little worried about the societal and long term effects of legalization of weed. Smoking makes you absolutely worthless. This is something I wouldn't have really believed myself until visiting Amsterdam three weeks ago. I had smoked before on rare occasions, but never like that weekend. And I wouldn't be surprised if I never smoked again.

    Both substances are bad. Personally if I'm planning on abusing a substance, I'd choose alcohol any day of the week. If I'm going to be retarded, I'd at least like to be social while I am and not sit around playing Wii all day. Ultimately, however, I don't believe either substance would be the downfall of society.


    This got a little long, so cliffs:
    -Abondon needs to cool it
    -weed should be legalized (coming from someone who wouldn't smoke it)
    -Hard drugs should stay illegal
    -alcohol and weed are both bad, but not horrible
    Quoted for the mother fuking truth. Very well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Why are people using the "black market" as an excuse to legalize something? That is the dumbest reasoning you could even come up with. There is a black market for ANYTHING that is illegal. Pot, cocaine, child pornography, stolen car parts, and anything else you can name.

    So we should just legalize everything because there's going to be a black market for it anyway right? Yeah, that makes a load of sense.
    You're absolutely right, of course that logic makes no sense. I just think it's a little silly (lol, "silly") to force a black market to emerge around something that isn't a serious threat to unwilling individuals or society (pot).

    A person can be intelligent and still be f*cking stupid. A guy with a degree from Harvard can be intelligent as all hell but, if he becomes an alchoholic, then he's still f*cking stupid.
    Haha, agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deke
    You're absolutely right, of course that logic makes no sense. I just think it's a little silly (lol, "silly") to force a black market to emerge around something that isn't a serious threat to unwilling individuals or society (pot).
    That comes down to perspective and stance on what is bad and what isn't. Anyone can defend anything if they research and gain the proper knowledge. However, one thing being "less bad" than the rest doesn't automatically make it "not bad". I personally feel that weed is a stupid substance and should be controlled. I'm glad that the law agrees with me. I feel the same way about alcohol to be honest. I may have a drink every now and then to be social but, if it were to become illegal, I would stop drinking completely and then take great pleasure in watching alcoholics get busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    A person can be intelligent and still be f*cking stupid. A guy with a degree from Harvard can be intelligent as all hell but, if he becomes an alchoholic, then he's still f*cking stupid.
    good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Why are people using the "black market" as an excuse to legalize something? That is the dumbest reasoning you could even come up with. There is a black market for ANYTHING that is illegal. Pot, cocaine, child pornography, stolen car parts, and anything else you can name.

    So we should just legalize everything because there's going to be a black market for it anyway right? Yeah, that makes a load of sense.


    I said the same thing earlier. It seems that some people think that just because something is readily available anyways it should be legal for the govt to tax it.

    Alcohol and marijuana are 2 very different things. A bootlegger isnt going to be able to get bud light cans to package his illegal alcohol, but someone making their money off illegal weed would be able to package it as if it is a legal substance and sell it at a far lower price. For example, pack of marlboro's over in japan cost about about $1.25 when I was there, they were costing over $3.00 on base. As a result, the PX didnt sell many cigs, as the smokers would walk off base to get their cigs at less than half the price.

    requirements for this new industry:
    a. New regulatory body under the fed govt
    b. increase the budget of the ATF for smugglers
    c. increased costs of healthcare as marijuana has 10x the tar as a cig

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Alcohol and marijuana are 2 very different things. A bootlegger isnt going to be able to get bud light cans to package his illegal alcohol, but someone making their money off illegal weed would be able to package it as if it is a legal substance and sell it at a far lower price. For example, pack of marlboro's over in japan cost about about $1.25 when I was there, they were costing over $3.00 on base. As a result, the PX didnt sell many cigs, as the smokers would walk off base to get their cigs at less than half the price.
    Sure, the average joe couldn't bootleg cans, but bottles certainly aren't hard (coming from someone who's dabbled in home brewing), and kegs wouldn't be either. And yet, I don't see any of that going on in the US. I also don't see bootleg tobacco in the US for that matter, and it's taxed out the ass.

    I'm sure there still would be some black market contingency if pot was legalized, but the fact of the matter is that it would be a lot less. The majority of people wouldn't run the the added risk of buying something illegally when they can get a product they can trust for a few dollars more. To reference Amsterdam again, no one was selling weed on the street. They wouldn't make any money because you could buy quality stuff in any coffee shop.

    PS I appreciate the intelligent debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by deke
    I'm sure there still would be some black market contingency if pot was legalized, but the fact of the matter is that it would be a lot less. The majority of people wouldn't run the the added risk of buying something illegally when they can get a product they can trust for a few dollars more. To reference Amsterdam again, no one was selling weed on the street. They wouldn't make any money because you could buy quality stuff in any coffee shop.
    when the price would be half of what it would cost legally then I seriously doubt that it would make a real dent in the illegal trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    when the price would be half of what it would cost legally then I seriously doubt that it would make a real dent in the illegal trade.
    Maybe, but like I said, I've still never seen a prevalence of bootleg beer or tobacco in the US

    And just to nip it in the bud in the case of it coming up, I would not consider illegal file sharing to be in the same category, since you don't actually have to do the the physical act of meeting with a dealer to get it.

    Edit: I'm not condoning illegal file sharing. I'm just saying that it's far easier to do (and takes a lot less drive) than it does to deal in illegal substances (or anything physical), hence the reason that it is so prevalent.
    Last edited by Deke; 08-13-2008 at 09:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    when the price would be half of what it would cost legally then I seriously doubt that it would make a real dent in the illegal trade.
    But would selling half price weed be worth the time and bother. If people went from making $6 a gram to making $3/gram do you think they would bother with it anymore? It wouldn't be profitable at all lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    But would selling half price weed be worth the time and bother. If people went from making $6 a gram to making $3/gram do you think they would bother with it anymore? It wouldn't be profitable at all lol.
    Thats what I was about to say...

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    I'm voting for it to be decriminalized here in MA, and I think it really should be. Alcohol causes more deaths and other incidents per year that marijuana has. Also the want to smoke it is going to drop mainly due to it being legal. There are more Pro's to weed than Con's..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    But would selling half price weed be worth the time and bother. If people went from making $6 a gram to making $3/gram do you think they would bother with it anymore? It wouldn't be profitable at all lol.

    Then grow it your damn self



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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    But would selling half price weed be worth the time and bother. If people went from making $6 a gram to making $3/gram do you think they would bother with it anymore? It wouldn't be profitable at all lol.

    Thats not exactly true, the price on the streets will still be $6/gram, the price in the store will be closer to $12 to pay the added costs of doing business, then added taxes.

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    Check this out.

    http://www.mpp.org/victims/

    Just take a minute and see what you might learn.
    These are just some of the victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Thats not exactly true, the price on the streets will still be $6/gram, the price in the store will be closer to $12 to pay the added costs of doing business, then added taxes.
    The production costs for pot are pretty low, less than tobacco and a whole lot less than beer. Its a weed that will grow anywhere, so much so that you can toss pot seeds out the window and have plants sprouting within a week.

    Its the risk of doing business that keeps the price high. It wouldn't make sense for a legal vendor to charge much more for pot than street value. Its true a legal source will undoubtedly be more expensive than street value but most users would be willing to pay a premium for:

    1.) constant supply (not having to worry about a supplier running out)
    2.) safe product (not laced with any other drugs)
    3.) consistent product quality (no weak stuff)
    4.) safe transactions (no dealing with tweakers)

    The Government couldn't put an end to the illegal liquor market during prohibition. But that market collapsed when prohibition was repealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Why are people using the "black market" as an excuse to legalize something? That is the dumbest reasoning you could even come up with. There is a black market for ANYTHING that is illegal. Pot, cocaine, child pornography, stolen car parts, and anything else you can name.

    Are you seriously comparing marijuana to chop shops and people taking pictures of kids naked?

    So we should just legalize everything because there's going to be a black market for it anyway right? Yeah, that makes a load of sense.

    If they're going to do it anyway, and its not really a big deal, yeah?
    Maybe prostitution should be legal so that way prostitutes don't get beaten up by pimps and forced by organized crime into white slavery. But wait, you're one of those smart people who would make something illegal solely on principle I'm sure.

    A person can be intelligent and still be f*cking stupid. A guy with a degree from Harvard can be intelligent as all hell but, if he becomes an alcoholic, then he's still f*cking stupid.
    Alright big guy, we'll make alcohol illegal for you, too. That worked out well last time.

    Get over your narrow minded virtues and accept it. MARIJUANA IS NOT A BIG DEAL. More bad consequences find origin in its illicit nature than the consumption of the drug. A lot more. Conversely, kiddy porn and theft are just inherently bad. Not a good comparison on your part. Oh, and lets not forget the constant civil war our illegal drug money funds in Colombia.

    Oh, and the reason its illegal? Because they (Congress) lumped in hemp along with Marijuana when they made it illegal, it was a threat to their friends in the emerging synthetic textile market.

    As a side note, Cocaine is illegal because the Congress was afraid of "cocainized *******" raping white women and generally behaving poorly.
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    Personally I'd rather smoke weed than have to take highly addictive pain-killers for my back pain (herniated disc from when I totaled my Impreza). The victims list is full of some screwed up crap that has happened, and that's only a handful of charges and misinformation that has happened throughout the years. Luckily over the years doctor's have made more discoveries for the drug(plant) the lean more in the pro-legalization/decriminalization or marijuana.



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    EDIT: Actually, I'm bored so I'll elaborate a little more.

    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    Alright big guy, we'll make alcohol illegal for you, too. That worked out well last time.
    So you're comparing modern society and law enforcement to what it was 80 years ago? Nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    Oh, and lets not forget the constant civil war our illegal drug money funds in Colombia.
    Who cares about Columbia and why did you bring them up? However, since you're bringing it up. How exactly does it feel to be supporting this civil war?

    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    Oh, and the reason its illegal? Because they (Congress) lumped in hemp along with Marijuana when they made it illegal, it was a threat to their friends in the emerging synthetic textile market.
    On this note, I do believe that hemp should be permissible for economical purposes like textile and what-not. As an actual resource, it can be very valuable. I've stated that in older threads as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    As a side note, Cocaine is illegal because the Congress was afraid of "cocainized *******" raping white women and generally behaving poorly.
    So cocaine should now be legalized because it was made illegal over a supposedly racist standing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The12lber
    Get over your narrow minded virtues and accept it. MARIJUANA IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
    In your opinion. Unfortunately for you, the law is on my side. So you can sit here and try to rationalize it all you want. At the end of the day, I still win. Accept that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    I've got one simple response to The12lber's post.

    In your opinion. Unfortunately for you, the law is on my side. So you can sit here and try to rationalize it all you want. At the end of the day, I still win. Accept that.

    But coming November you might not win, but till then... I'm still glad it's taken as not a huge deal here in MA



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    I've got one simple response to The12lber's post.

    In your opinion. Unfortunately for you, the law is on my side. So you can sit here and try to rationalize it all you want. At the end of the day, I still win. Accept that.
    And at the end of the day people still get high, legal or not. Not a whole lot you can do to stop it there champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eViLMunkey
    But coming November you might not win, but till then...
    These guys can get their hopes up all they want. It's not going to pass and we all know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    And at the end of the day people still get high, legal or not. Not a whole lot you can do to stop it there champ.
    Actually I had the pleasure of making an anonymous phone call that busted a 4/20 party near my residence. It was quite an enjoyable evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Actually I had the pleasure making an anonymous phone call that busted a 4/20 party near my residence. It was quite an enjoyable evening.
    Didn't get invited so you narc'd everyone out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total_Blender
    Didn't get invited so you narc'd everyone out?
    lol, yeah because I really wanted to smoke pot and eat Cheetos with a bunch of degenerates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    lol, yeah because I really wanted to smoke pot and eat Cheetos with a bunch of degenerates.
    And they probably didn't want to check out kiddie porn with you

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    There's a lot of misinformation surrounding Cannabis, and a lot of people tend to forget how the very idea was sold to the American public.

    Here are some quotes from the Director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, who was responsible for making Cannabis illegal.

    “Reefer makes darkies think they are good as white men.”
    -Henry J. Anslinger
    Director in Chief, Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 1929

    “In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to the marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of san Antonio reports that eighty percent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana.”
    -The Christian Century, June 29th, 1938

    “Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brain washing.”
    -Henry J. Anslinger
    Director in Chief, Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 1948

    Sounds like the case for Cannabis was determined by a lot of legitimate concerns from the medical community at the time, doesn't it? Did you know that when it was made illegal in 1937 it was done so, against the advice of the American Medical Association.

    "Evidence of unwarranted, illogical, and deviant discrimination against Cannabis dates back to when the United States government, and scheming prohibitionists actually coined the term “Marijuana” for use in the U.S., instead of referring to the drug by it’s legitimate name. In 1930, a man named Henry Anslinger was named director of the newly created Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Noted by many for being exceptionally ambitious, Henry knew he had just been given the career opportunity of a life time; a position as director in a newly founded branch of the United States Treasury Department. Knowing his agency wouldn’t survive if the only illegal narcotics they had to deal with were cocaine, and opiates, Anslinger set out to vilify, and make illegal as many drugs as possible. After all the more illegal drugs there were to look after, and attempt to control, the more work there would be for the budding Federal Bureau of Narcotics; and the more work there was for the Bureau of Narcotics, the more work, and job opportunities there would be for Henry Anslinger, an exceptionally ambitious man." -Robert Graham 3/11/2007

    The point of calling it "Marijuana" was to play off the racial prejudices of the period. All the scare easy whites, would more readily take a stand to have it made illegal if they thought it was some foreign "Hispanic" trend, that made people insane, and treaded on their irrational racial values.

    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    No such thing as a non-violent drug offender. Marijuana isnt enarly as bad as harder drugs, but it does lead to crimes.
    That's an unbelievably ignorant statement, one that will force me to not take you seriously in this discussion, because clearly your opinion is not well founded, much less informed. But assuming you are correct (and you not) lets go ahead and ask ourselves a question. Has alcohol ever caused or inspired violence? If you didn't answer "yes", end yourself now.

    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Crack is readily available too. Should that be legal also?
    Horrendously moronic argument. Do you realize one of the most powerful hallucinogenic drugs in the world is sold under the trade name "Benodryl"? Probably not. Do you realize school children are prescribed stimulants that are of the same classification as cocaine, but totally legal, and abused like sugar? Probably not.

    A Schedule 1 Drug, is classified by the Control Substances Act as a substance meeting one of the following three criteria;
    a)”The drug or substance has a high potential for abuse.
    b) The drug or substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    c) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.” 3/17/07 - Robert Graham

    Cannabis sits in the same legal drug classification group as GHB, DMT, Heroin, and Ecstasy. All of which are far more hazardous to the health of a human being, and all of which posses’ significant addictive traits.

    Now considering the people who have done research on the subject (The US doesn't allow it) have found that's it's effects are neither as significantly inhibitory as alcohol, nor seriously addictive, nor as detrimental to the body as nicotine; wouldn't that suggest that we AT LEAST reschedule it? Shouldn't we at the least consider an honest medical investigation into what might come from it? I guess not. I guess we should just keep locking huge numbers of people up for getting "high", and encouraging them to get drunk. Of course when you get trashed in a city without a real public transportation system, you've got to find a way to get home. I wonder how most people do it... (/sarcasm)

    Up until about three years ago I seriously disliked Cannabis, and truly believed all the reefer madness bull**** they feed to you in highschool. I thought it made people stupid, crazy, lazy, and pathetically unmotivated. Then it occurred to me when I was researching the drugs I was prescribed that, "Well if my doctor is going to prescribe me all these drugs that are quite dangerous, and half of the time don't work. Why shouldn't I look elsewhere and formulate my own opinion."

    If you drink socially, or smoke cigarettes what makes you think that "marijuana" is more dangerous than the psychoactive substances you are already putting into your body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Actually I had the pleasure of making an anonymous phone call that busted a 4/20 party near my residence. It was quite an enjoyable evening.
    Wow... And to think I really thought you were a pretty open minded dude at one time. I'm sure they deserved all the punishment they got after your little anonymous phone call. Being degenerates and all. I wonder how many people at the party received prison sentences, and serious fines for smoking pot with their friends. I'm sure they were doing so much to harm you, and disrupt your peace of mind.

    I hope you're capable of imagining what it would be like if someone called the cops on you and your social circle of friends for drinking booze, while prohibition was enacted. Not only that. But lets use our imagination here and imagine that beer was illegal because the person who sought to make it that way, did so for personal reasons, using racial prejudice as a key social motivator.

    So here's the real question. What did they do you warrant you calling the cops on them besides getting a little loud on 4/20? If you have a legitimate reason, then I'll be able to understand that, but if you did it just to "bust" them, I'm quite disappointed. You probably screwed a bunch of peoples lives up in a way you're unable to understand or empathize with.
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