Originally Posted by uproot
I concour
WHen I get high, I wanna sit around an relax, play video games or somethingt...
When i'm drunk, I get into fights.... and those beer goggles are a muther****er!!!!!!
I concour
WHen I get high, I wanna sit around an relax, play video games or somethingt...
When i'm drunk, I get into fights.... and those beer goggles are a muther****er!!!!!!
TROOF!
I think the true test would be to put it on a ballot and let the people decide..........
I don't smoke, but I'm also not one that thinks it's ok for government to try and control as many aspects of private life as it does. Responsible adults will continue to be responsible adults for the better part and the world will keep on going if the bill passes, save for the few small hiccups that happen before things stabilize post legalization.
Being in the medical field and seeing all the new drugs that come out with horrible side effects and potential problems associated with them, Marijuana seems to be the safest choice for treatment in many cases.
The medical debate might be a back door for decriminalization/legalization efforts, but it's passed on the ballot in every state it's run in because people are smart enough to decide for themselves. Confronting the issue on a broader scale only makes sense if you truly look into the issue, the facts, the models from other countries, and the changing main stream consensus.
As a regular smoker I fully support the legalization of marijuana. The whole gateway drug argument only applies to the weak minded people who decide to indulge in drugs that are truly dangerous and harmful, which marijuana is not. Pot being illegal is only putting innocent people behind bars and has created a violent drug market. It astonishes me that while alcoholics are beating their wives and killing people in their cars that smoking pot is looked down upon by society. There has never been a reported death linked to smoking, while hundreds of thousands are killed every year by controlled substances(alcohol/tobacco) that you've never heard the government complain about. The government's illegalization of something that is mainly used for responsible recreational purposes has created all of the bad connotations that people associate with pot. It's not the plant's fault, it shouldn't be illegal and it's wrong to put people in jail for it. The American public and the government need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that smoking weed needs to be the least of society's worries right now, we have much bigger problems on our hands. Continuing to waste money incarcerating responsible smokers is ridiculous and unfair to those who use it.
a little info from the CDC for those that think more people are killed by their bathtubs yearly than cigerettes.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat..._mortality.htm
Anyone who thinks that is either retarded or a tobacco executive.
lol, I cant believe that guy said that. I've come in contact with second hand smoke thousands and thousands of times...not once in my 25 years have I ever fallen in the bathtub...
Everyone should neg. rep this guy...
Mary J. Is a friend of Many... MiNE to the Fullest.... Legalize it.!!!!!!! its not as bad as most Drugs out there.... lIke ^^Bruce Leroy said drinkin probly causes ALOT MORE problems then Mary J... anyways.... Alpine Xj... I agree With you to the fullest.....
WEED IS GREAT
Mary Jane is the only girl i would let the homies hit! lololol
jk but i think the only reason its illegal is because they cant tax it..
You and this bill are retarded. I have highlighted the Major flaw in this bill!
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
How is that the Major Flaw?
I guess that's the same flaw that allows responsible adults to drink alcohol, huh?
OwNeD
Refer to my post above, moron.OwNeD
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
Exactly.
People drive drunk. People drive drunk and kill others due to their stupidity.
The Major Flaw, for the slow minded like yourself, is that very few are truely responsible adults.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
when the price would be half of what it would cost legally then I seriously doubt that it would make a real dent in the illegal trade.
Maybe, but like I said, I've still never seen a prevalence of bootleg beer or tobacco in the US
And just to nip it in the bud in the case of it coming up, I would not consider illegal file sharing to be in the same category, since you don't actually have to do the the physical act of meeting with a dealer to get it.
Edit: I'm not condoning illegal file sharing. I'm just saying that it's far easier to do (and takes a lot less drive) than it does to deal in illegal substances (or anything physical), hence the reason that it is so prevalent.
Last edited by Deke; 08-13-2008 at 10:30 AM.
But would selling half price weed be worth the time and bother. If people went from making $6 a gram to making $3/gram do you think they would bother with it anymore? It wouldn't be profitable at all lol.
Thats what I was about to say...
Then grow it your damn self
Thats not exactly true, the price on the streets will still be $6/gram, the price in the store will be closer to $12 to pay the added costs of doing business, then added taxes.
Check this out.
http://www.mpp.org/victims/
Just take a minute and see what you might learn.
These are just some of the victims.
The production costs for pot are pretty low, less than tobacco and a whole lot less than beer. Its a weed that will grow anywhere, so much so that you can toss pot seeds out the window and have plants sprouting within a week.
Its the risk of doing business that keeps the price high. It wouldn't make sense for a legal vendor to charge much more for pot than street value. Its true a legal source will undoubtedly be more expensive than street value but most users would be willing to pay a premium for:
1.) constant supply (not having to worry about a supplier running out)
2.) safe product (not laced with any other drugs)
3.) consistent product quality (no weak stuff)
4.) safe transactions (no dealing with tweakers)
The Government couldn't put an end to the illegal liquor market during prohibition. But that market collapsed when prohibition was repealed.
I'm voting for it to be decriminalized here in MA, and I think it really should be. Alcohol causes more deaths and other incidents per year that marijuana has. Also the want to smoke it is going to drop mainly due to it being legal. There are more Pro's to weed than Con's..
Personally I'd rather smoke weed than have to take highly addictive pain-killers for my back pain (herniated disc from when I totaled my Impreza). The victims list is full of some screwed up crap that has happened, and that's only a handful of charges and misinformation that has happened throughout the years. Luckily over the years doctor's have made more discoveries for the drug(plant) the lean more in the pro-legalization/decriminalization or marijuana.
There's a lot of misinformation surrounding Cannabis, and a lot of people tend to forget how the very idea was sold to the American public.
Here are some quotes from the Director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, who was responsible for making Cannabis illegal.
“Reefer makes darkies think they are good as white men.”
-Henry J. Anslinger
Director in Chief, Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 1929
“In some districts, inhabited by Latin Americans, Filipinos, Spaniards and negroes, half the violent crimes are attributed to the marijuana craze. Dr. Lee Rice of san Antonio reports that eighty percent of all the murders committed by Mexicans are done while the killers are drugged by marijuana.”
-The Christian Century, June 29th, 1938
“Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brain washing.”
-Henry J. Anslinger
Director in Chief, Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 1948
Sounds like the case for Cannabis was determined by a lot of legitimate concerns from the medical community at the time, doesn't it? Did you know that when it was made illegal in 1937 it was done so, against the advice of the American Medical Association.
"Evidence of unwarranted, illogical, and deviant discrimination against Cannabis dates back to when the United States government, and scheming prohibitionists actually coined the term “Marijuana” for use in the U.S., instead of referring to the drug by it’s legitimate name. In 1930, a man named Henry Anslinger was named director of the newly created Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Noted by many for being exceptionally ambitious, Henry knew he had just been given the career opportunity of a life time; a position as director in a newly founded branch of the United States Treasury Department. Knowing his agency wouldn’t survive if the only illegal narcotics they had to deal with were cocaine, and opiates, Anslinger set out to vilify, and make illegal as many drugs as possible. After all the more illegal drugs there were to look after, and attempt to control, the more work there would be for the budding Federal Bureau of Narcotics; and the more work there was for the Bureau of Narcotics, the more work, and job opportunities there would be for Henry Anslinger, an exceptionally ambitious man." -Robert Graham 3/11/2007
The point of calling it "Marijuana" was to play off the racial prejudices of the period. All the scare easy whites, would more readily take a stand to have it made illegal if they thought it was some foreign "Hispanic" trend, that made people insane, and treaded on their irrational racial values.
That's an unbelievably ignorant statement, one that will force me to not take you seriously in this discussion, because clearly your opinion is not well founded, much less informed. But assuming you are correct (and you not) lets go ahead and ask ourselves a question. Has alcohol ever caused or inspired violence? If you didn't answer "yes", end yourself now.
Horrendously moronic argument. Do you realize one of the most powerful hallucinogenic drugs in the world is sold under the trade name "Benodryl"? Probably not. Do you realize school children are prescribed stimulants that are of the same classification as cocaine, but totally legal, and abused like sugar? Probably not.
A Schedule 1 Drug, is classified by the Control Substances Act as a substance meeting one of the following three criteria;
a)”The drug or substance has a high potential for abuse.
b) The drug or substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
c) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.” 3/17/07 - Robert Graham
Cannabis sits in the same legal drug classification group as GHB, DMT, Heroin, and Ecstasy. All of which are far more hazardous to the health of a human being, and all of which posses’ significant addictive traits.
Now considering the people who have done research on the subject (The US doesn't allow it) have found that's it's effects are neither as significantly inhibitory as alcohol, nor seriously addictive, nor as detrimental to the body as nicotine; wouldn't that suggest that we AT LEAST reschedule it? Shouldn't we at the least consider an honest medical investigation into what might come from it? I guess not. I guess we should just keep locking huge numbers of people up for getting "high", and encouraging them to get drunk. Of course when you get trashed in a city without a real public transportation system, you've got to find a way to get home. I wonder how most people do it... (/sarcasm)
Up until about three years ago I seriously disliked Cannabis, and truly believed all the reefer madness bull**** they feed to you in highschool. I thought it made people stupid, crazy, lazy, and pathetically unmotivated. Then it occurred to me when I was researching the drugs I was prescribed that, "Well if my doctor is going to prescribe me all these drugs that are quite dangerous, and half of the time don't work. Why shouldn't I look elsewhere and formulate my own opinion."
If you drink socially, or smoke cigarettes what makes you think that "marijuana" is more dangerous than the psychoactive substances you are already putting into your body?
ran already answered to this so no point me me saying the saem thing.
If you actually read what I was answering to, you would know that I was simply priving a point. Its very simple, just because someone is readily available doesnt mean it should be legal.
Alcohol does in fact cause people to be violent. I cant think of a single valid arguement against criminalizing alcohol and tobacco under the same statutes that are used to criminalize cocaine.
And all of those drugs are controlled substances, just like cocaine. The difference is, there is PROVEN medicinal uses for them. Not possible medicinal uses.
"Classification decisions are required to be made on the criteria of potential for abuse, accepted medical use in the United States, and potential for dependence."
I think that explains why marijuana would fall under a schedule I drug. And I have bolded it to make sure you knew what you were pasting.
You are going to have to show me a reference on this one. Its widely known that marijuana is worse because you hold it in your lungs longer.
no, for reasons already stated.
no one said it was, in fact, you will find that most people are in 100% agreement that alcohol is worse. But it is still legal.
Caffine can kill you, Asprin can kill you, Nicotine does kill you, Benedryl is a deliriant hallucinogenic drug. Salvia is perfectly legal. Ambien makes people sleep walk, and causes amnesia. All of these are perfectly legal drugs, and I don't hear anyone bitching about how socially irresponsible, or dangerous they are.
Except that alcohol and nicotine serve no real beneficial purpose to society.
WHERE?!?! Codine was perfectly legal until it was decided that it was making junkies out of people. So explain to me, where the PROVEN medicinal use for alcohol and nicotine is. What doctor recommends people drink or smoke? According to the control substances act, both should be in the Schedule 1 category.
See my last comment. Alcohol is not used in any medicinal environment the way it is socially. The only medical treatment nicotine serves is to weane people off the addiction is has already caused.
Thank you for clearing that up, I was very worried I might miss it.
Wrong. How can you speak for all cigarette smokers? Do you know how long every smoker holds their smoke in their lungs? If you used vaporized cannabis, your detrimental smoking argument is defeated anyway.
Last edited by DrivenMind; 08-13-2008 at 07:00 PM.
But each of them do have specific medicinal uses. I have yet to see a single case of someone being killed by caffine or aspirin unless it was an intentional overdose.
which is why I cant think of a single agruement against criminalizing them under the same statutes as cocaine. I believe I already said that though and you ignored it.
look up 1 rebuttal.
I have absolutely no clue where you are going with this.
you obviously did since you are still saying that it shouldnt be a schedule I drug. The amount of abuse alone easily puts in it this catagory.
I cant, but I can make a reasonable guess based on personal knowlege. Oh, and I also have a bit of science to back it up.
http://www.ebiologynews.com/2463.html
I'm going to agree with Ran that the law is the law. Everyone that smokes know that they are breaking the law and should be willing to accept the consequences if they are caught. Do I necessarily agree with the law, no. Do I think anonymously phoning in info about a party is a rather douchetastic thing to do, yes. Regardless though, they could have easily chosen not to break it.
The law is the law, no matter how much it sucks, and breaking it out of defiance on a small scale isn't going to change anything.
And before anyone jumps on my case, read my previous posts. I think cannabis should be legal.
I'm getting Taco Bell. I will systematically reply to you guys upon my return.
Why don't you go rat out all the street racers on the killsforum. See how well liked you are on this site after that.
Expect retribution from those kids. They probably know it was you who narc'd on them
*Breaking news* Asian kid face kicked in at tonight's varsity meetWhy don't you go rat out all the street racers on the killsforum. See how well liked you are on this site after that.
Expect retribution from those kids. They probably know it was you who narc'd on them
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smoking weed is bad for you.................... making ganjabutter and then rice crispy treats is the way to go
I would like to see hardcore facts and live physical side effects that actually show that the reason for any "bad" thing to happen to you or your body was caused by weed. What I don't understand is why people continue to say it's bad for you?! It's not! It's a natural herb with no deadly ingredients! Here's a funny story. A few friends of mine once got pulled over, high as hell. The cop knew they were high but couldn't prove that they were. Because they had nothing in the car that would indicate that they were in fact smoking. And what did the cop do? Nothing. The law is the law bullcrap is true, but what are they going to do? Jack sh*t if they can't prove it.
A lot of you are typing like you're comparing weed to other hardcore drugs out there. Haha, seriously it's not that big of a deal. You just break apart the nugget into small pieces then place it on a bowl or rolling paper. Roll it. Then light it up and smoke it. Big goddamn deal, right?
One of the things holding it back from becoming legal(along with ignorance and the government's ever growing desires for money) is that there's no test for immediacy. What happened to your friends is proof of that, but most cops aren't going to say **** if even if they know you're stoned. Just make sure Ran isn't around the corner ready to report you.
Take it from someone who not only knows ALOT about marijuana but has done about every drug there is minus a few.
Pot cannot hurt you. It is theoretically possible to overdose, but not pyshically. There has NEVER been a recorded death due to marijuana. Marijuana does not kill brain cells, it re-directs the path of oxygen into your brain hitting different nerve receptors than your used to thus, everything feels new and different and ridiculously awesome.
It is alot of pyschological thing and how people handle their lives. For instance, I myself am I pretty upbeat person, I get **** done fast, I make goals and do them fast. when I burn, things slow down ,my care go away, and my self drive to accomplish things at that pace slow down and I enjoy things more rather than rush through things. This being said, thats why there are people out there that just don't get anyway when they smoke pot because they are already very chill in their lifestyle and its not a drastic change to them. For those people, Cocain blows their mind, because it takes them to that get-things done moment, goals, speed, faster, wired moment that they never experiance. Drugs affect people differently all the time. No two people will ever have the same rasafa or "high".
I would also like to prove, that that being said it has also been proven that smoking does NOT interfere with your driving, it actually makes you pay more attention to it and makes you a better driver. Proven in Britain, the driver did the road coarse, had a spliff, and did the coarse again. He did the coarse .2 seconds faster and was an overall better driver in opinion by driving instructors.
So all your talk about its a gateway drug is actually untrue, its people don't like it as much as other drugs and they find the speed addicting drugs more affective than others. So talk it up.
Also, drivenminds. well said.
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drivenmind you are DEAD ON with this topic. it's also important to note that an overwhelming majority of schedule 1 drugs are MAN MADE. marijuana is naturally occurring. to say that one plant is different than another is ridiculous.
Not only that, but in the 80s, the government legalized a synthetic form of the psychoactive component of Cannabis, THC to be used in a pill form. It's called Marinol, and it's a schedule II substance. What kind of sense does that make?
OH NO!!! IT'S REEFER MADNESS!!!!
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