Islam is not a new religion or the newest religion..

[AtifSajid]

Recently since Ramadan is going on I have heard non-muslims mention that Islam is the newest of the 3 main religions in the world(Christianity, Jewish, Islam). This is not true from Islamic belief.

Islam started when God(the Almighty unknown being) decended Adam to the Earth. He was Muslim according to all the religious books that were sent down in there pure form(Bible, Torah, Quran). From there when different Prophets were born to this earth, they were all Muslims. Moses, Noah, Jesus, Abraham, etc..

The only problem that happened is that either they were not able to complete the spread of Islam completely, or there words were changed and there practices were changed after they passed away.

Prophet Mohammad was the last prophet in Islam. He spread the most Islam throughout the world, and that is why he is classified as the best Muslim. This is the reason why most non-muslims believe that Islam is the newest religion when it is the oldest religion that has been around.

I am stating this just to clarify this saying of Islam being the newest religion.

Please be mature in your replies

[XLR8NMR2]

I'm thinking about changing my religion to Islamic...it's an all around better religion to Christianity, ive learned alot about the religions in the passed year.....

[gtikid]

When it comes to religion, there's no concrete proof of anything. It's all just faith. You were raised believing this, and others were raised believing other things. It's hard to change someone's mind, especially when they've been brought up being told one thing all their life. It's just a matter of which one you were raised on...

[wantboost]

When it comes to religion, there's no concrete proof of anything. It's all just faith. You were raised believing this, and others were raised believing other things. It's hard to change someone's mind, especially when they've been brought up being told one thing all their life. It's just a matter of which one you were raised on...

, reps

[XLR8NMR2]

actually there is more "proof" in islam then any other religon.....

they read the quran(sp) and trutfully i can't read it just yet but one of my girlfriends read me a couple pages and it puts everything in a much better perspective

why do you think ultimately all the great powerful men turn islamic...

[gtikid]

actually there is more "proof" in islam then any other religon.....

they read the quran(sp) and trutfully i can't read it just yet but one of my girlfriends read me a couple pages and it puts everything in a much better perspective

why do you think ultimately all the great powerful men turn islamic...

Everything is just belief man. A christian can easily come in here and argue that there's a lot of proof of Christianity b/c it's written in the Bible that Jesus resurrected.... That's not proof at all. Those are just basis for belief in something. Not to be racist here Mark, but just because a few black men/leaders in the black community turned to Islam, doesn't mean ALL the great powerful men converted....

[AtifSajid]

No man you are wrong. Faith is just one part of the entire concept. You can read history books, they have exactly what was written in them that happened years ago. The only difference is that history books dont say these people were Muslims and these people were Jews and these people were christians, they just say there was this war or that war and this person was this great or that great person was great. History books dont look at religion. Your religion is what states who was who in actuality.

Make sense? Its deeper than this..I just tried to broaden it.

[gtikid]

No man you are wrong. Faith is just one part of the entire concept. You can read history books, they have exactly what was written in them that happened years ago. The only difference is that history books dont say these people were Muslims and these people were Jews and these people were christians, they just say there was this war or that war and this person was this great or that great person was great. History books dont look at religion. Your religion is what states who was who in actuality.

Make sense? Its deeper than this..I just tried to broaden it.

Why am I wrong? Because you were raised believing this? It's a BELIEF man, that's all it is. Just b/c we don't believe the samething does not make me wrong. History books don't show Moses splitting the sea, they don't show Noah building an arc. They talk about TALES of these people doing these things. We, as adults, should know that not all tales are true. And even then, it's up to decide if we BELIEVE they were muslim/christian/jew/whatever...

[rizzler]

i'm Muslim, believe in all of the three monotheistic religions as legitimate religions because from what i've learned we are all one in the same, just different parts of the world spread the religions party and fully, i agree with Atif when he said that words were changed as time went on but in the end i still say humanity is the best religion.

[AtifSajid]

Why am I wrong? Because you were raised believing this? It's a BELIEF man, that's all it is. Just b/c we don't believe the samething does not make me wrong. History books don't show Moses splitting the sea, they don't show Noah building an arc. They talk about TALES of these people doing these things. We, as adults, should know that not all tales are true. And even then, it's up to decide if we BELIEVE they were muslim/christian/jew/whatever...

sorry didnt mean to say you were wrong..but you have a point.

[gtikid]

i'm Muslim, believe in all of the three monotheistic religions as legitimate religions because from what i've learned we are all one in the same, just different parts of the world spread the religions party and fully, i agree with Atif when he said that words were changed as time went on but in the end i still say humanity is the best religion.

I believe that words were changed as well, in ALL religions, not just some. And because of that, how are we to believe that the religion we chose, if any, is the "correct" one?

[AtifSajid]

Julian you know one thing. There is an original Quran in Saudi Arabia in Mecca where that Kaaba resides. It is the first Quran ever created and it has been preserved for centuries.

If you take that one and get a Quran from 2007 of this month that was made today. Not one word will be different in it.

[gtikid]

sorry didnt mean to say you were wrong..but you have a point.

No problem. I don't really like arguing about religion because to some people, it hits home a lot harder than others. It's hard to alter someone's beliefs, and some people are just a lot more shallow and narrow-minded than other people. My parents tried to bestow Christianity on me, because that's what they were raised with. And b/c of that, I know a lot of Christian people that are very narrow minded, like my grandma .

[gtikid]

Julian you know one thing. There is an original Quran in Saudi Arabia in Mecca where that Kaaba resides. It is the first Quran ever created and it has been preserved for centuries.

If you take that one and get a Quran from 2007 of this month that was made today. Not one word will be different in it.

That's what a lot of my Muslim friends have told me. I can see taking Islam a little bit more serious than Christianity b/c of that. Who knows how many times the Bible has been changed. Everyone and their mother has their own, different, version of the bible. I remember learning about back in the medieval times when if a king didn't agree with the Bible, he would just come up with his own and alter it to what he wanted , like the King James Bible or something like that

[TheProfiteer]

Actually Hindu is the oldest practiced religion.

from a historical perspective the oldest records to be found about a religion still being practiced today is Hindu.

[The Ninja]

Theres your religion.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah

In addition, In Islam it is a sin to change any of the scripture a single bit. You can ask any historian, the Quran is one of the most well preserved literary peices in history. Verses appear verbatim in a present book and a book centuries old....

A reason for this is the fact that you can't really "translate" the Quran (which is why many people learn Arabic to read it in its true form).... You lose a little bit of meaning through translation and not every word can be converted EXACTLY. Which is why all of the "translation books" say something like "Translation of the Interpretation or meaning of the Quran" or something along those lines, bc its a grave sin to alter God's words.


my 2 cents for the day


Anyone else in favor of bringing the religion forum back, so we can have clean, civil, discussions.

[{X}Echo419]

so if I convert does that mean I get to sue people and get 3 months off a year? Right now I'm a Buddist.... azn girls. and that beats the hell out of being enslaved, taxed or killed any day.

[LiL PaKi]

so if I convert does that mean I get to sue people and get 3 months off a year? Right now I'm a Buddist.... azn girls. and that beats the hell out of being enslaved, taxed or killed any day.

huh?

[THX712517]

Considering Muhammad lived from 570 to 632 AD, I would have a hard time believing that Islam is the oldest, as he is considered the primary founder of said religion. Christians do not claim to be the oldest. The currently accepted timeline for monotheistic religion starts with the Jews, branches off with Christianity which was validated by Rome as the official religion of that civilization, and then you have Islam and Muhammad who was born quite some time after Jesus.

Claiming that all prophets of all religions were Muslims who got it wrong is egotistical and frankly, embarrassing. But as it has been said before, religion is a deeply personal belief and no matter what is said to you or pointed out you will continue to believe what you believe, defending it any way you can and twisting truths if necessary, so I'd rather not argue.

[SpecV_Scott]

Recently since Ramadan is going on I have heard non-muslims mention that Islam is the newest of the 3 main religions in the world(Christianity, Jewish, Islam). This is not true from Islamic belief.

The name of the religion is Judaism.

[SpecV_Scott]

Why am I wrong? Because you were raised believing this? It's a BELIEF man, that's all it is. Just b/c we don't believe the samething does not make me wrong. History books don't show Moses splitting the sea, they don't show Noah building an arc. They talk about TALES of these people doing these things. We, as adults, should know that not all tales are true. And even then, it's up to decide if we BELIEVE they were muslim/christian/jew/whatever...

Well put. That's exactly why I'm an atheist.

[civic95]

ive learned alot about the religions in the passed year.....

Did you learn that they were just early forms of government? To keep order, and prevent the chaos of human instinct? Books of stories to teach "moral" lessons?

I'm not saying this earth is all a coincedence either. I believe there is a greater being, but I don't believe the stories in religious books. There is too many ways to interpret them. Today people are changing their views of whats acceptable (one ex: gays). You can't say gays are going to hell, and 20 yrs later you reinterpret it to welcome them in your church. I believe it was an early form of government, and that it evolved into a business. If your a pastor, priest, whatever you should be one of the biggest followers of your religon. You should have an incredible fear in god, and you would never (kill your wife, molest young kids, etc) BUT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

Checkout this book called "God is not great, why religion poisons everything".

[The12lber]

Recently since Ramadan is going on I have heard non-muslims mention that Islam is the newest of the 3 main religions in the world(Christianity, Jewish, Islam). This is not true from Islamic belief.

Islam started when God(the Almighty unknown being) decended Adam to the Earth. He was Muslim according to all the religious books that were sent down in there pure form(Bible, Torah, Quran). From there when different Prophets were born to this earth, they were all Muslims. Moses, Noah, Jesus, Abraham, etc..

The only problem that happened is that either they were not able to complete the spread of Islam completely, or there words were changed and there practices were changed after they passed away.

Prophet Mohammad was the last prophet in Islam. He spread the most Islam throughout the world, and that is why he is classified as the best Muslim. This is the reason why most non-muslims believe that Islam is the newest religion when it is the oldest religion that has been around.

I am stating this just to clarify this saying of Islam being the newest religion.

Please be mature in your replies

Well, they can believe whatever they want in terms of their religious beliefs, but in a historical context Islam had its beginning in the 7th century.

[OneSlow5pt0]

without religion their would be less wars....im a casual christan...imm so-so,havent been to church since i was 7 or 8...and dont plan on starting anytime soon,its just one more thing for people to argue bout

[The12lber]

Theres your religion.

Ohnoez, I'm threatened by the notion of morality without some horribly contradictary book spoon feeding ignorance to me so I'm going to make Atheism seem ridiculous because I can't wrap my head around even the basic, laymen scientific origins of life and the universe you can hear about on the Discovery Channel.

Also, Atheism is not a belief. A belief is a thing that you hold to be true despite the fact that it is directly contradicted or disproven by empirical evidence.

If you're an Atheist you don't "believe" in anything, you know things to be true because they've been scientifically proven.

zzzzzz

[esiatlanta]

do you wanna know about isalam go to


http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm


what u think about islam?



religions are ways to make money..........thats alll

[The12lber]

without religion their would be less wars....im a casual christan...imm so-so,havent been to church since i was 7 or 8...and dont plan on starting anytime soon,its just one more thing for people to argue bout

Its really not an argument considering there is no evidence to support the existence of anything supernatural. If you want to be religious, great, more power to you, but to attempt to argue your correctness is logically futile.

[Maniaç]

This thread is stupid.

[gtikid]

Ohnoez, I'm threatened by the notion of morality without some horribly contradictary book spoon feeding ignorance to me so I'm going to make Atheism seem ridiculous because I can't wrap my head around even the basic, laymen scientific origins of life and the universe you can hear about on the Discovery Channel.

Also, Atheism is not a belief. A belief is a thing that you hold to be true despite the fact that it is directly contradicted or disproven by empirical evidence.

If you're an Atheist you don't "believe" in anything, you know things to be true because they've been scientifically proven.

zzzzzz

Atheism is more of a "choice". As in, "I CHOOSE to not believe in anything."

[gtikid]

This thread is stupid.

Your stupid Maniaca!!

[Maniaç]

Your stupid Maniaca!!

You're


Looks whos talking, troll.

[gtikid]

You're


Looks whos talking, troll.

Alex knows Engrish??????

And no, what I meant was that the stupid you mentioned belonged to you

[The12lber]

Atheism is more of a "choice". As in, "I CHOOSE to not believe in anything."

You're not choosing anything, you're just thinking rationally.

[sirkus]

You're


Looks whos talking, troll.

You beat me to it.

Maniac kill yourself and tell us which religion is the right one. They've got to have the internet in hell. (or where ever you'll go.)


















(most likely hell )

[SL65AMG]

do they teach you how to make pipebombs too?

[gtikid]

You're not choosing anything, you're just thinking rationally.

You're choosing to not believe in any religion. You're choosing to think "rationally".

[gtikid]

do they teach you how to make pipebombs too?

What religion do you believe in?

[Maniaç]

You beat me to it.

Im quick to act, you're just not fast enough.

Maniac kill yourself and tell us which religion is the right one. They've got to have the internet in hell. (or where ever you'll go.)

Hell, and to tell you the truth I don't believe in any of that bull**** that "religion" says. Of course thats what I choose to believe, others also have the right to come up with their own Fairy land.

(most likely hell )

Yep.

[SL65AMG]

What religion do you believe in?

im on the fence still. i dont disbelieve but i havent seen anything that make me believe 100%. hell i could write a book about some dude named bob and tell people all about him and create a new religion.....


i got bigger things to deal with