Islam is not a new religion or the newest religion..

[The12lber]

Theres your religion.

Ohnoez, I'm threatened by the notion of morality without some horribly contradictary book spoon feeding ignorance to me so I'm going to make Atheism seem ridiculous because I can't wrap my head around even the basic, laymen scientific origins of life and the universe you can hear about on the Discovery Channel.

Also, Atheism is not a belief. A belief is a thing that you hold to be true despite the fact that it is directly contradicted or disproven by empirical evidence.

If you're an Atheist you don't "believe" in anything, you know things to be true because they've been scientifically proven.

zzzzzz

[gtikid]

Ohnoez, I'm threatened by the notion of morality without some horribly contradictary book spoon feeding ignorance to me so I'm going to make Atheism seem ridiculous because I can't wrap my head around even the basic, laymen scientific origins of life and the universe you can hear about on the Discovery Channel.

Also, Atheism is not a belief. A belief is a thing that you hold to be true despite the fact that it is directly contradicted or disproven by empirical evidence.

If you're an Atheist you don't "believe" in anything, you know things to be true because they've been scientifically proven.

zzzzzz

Atheism is more of a "choice". As in, "I CHOOSE to not believe in anything."

[The12lber]

Atheism is more of a "choice". As in, "I CHOOSE to not believe in anything."

You're not choosing anything, you're just thinking rationally.

[gtikid]

You're not choosing anything, you're just thinking rationally.

You're choosing to not believe in any religion. You're choosing to think "rationally".

[The12lber]

You're choosing to not believe in any religion. You're choosing to think "rationally".

Congratulations on successfully reiterating what I said.

[gtikid]

Congratulations on successfully reiterating what I said.

And by that i'm assuming I made my point. It's ok, I understand people of lower intelligence require a little bit more time and explanations than others

[The12lber]

And by that i'm assuming I made my point. It's ok, I understand people of lower intelligence require a little bit more time and explanations than others

Oh boy, you totally got me there because you said what I did in a slightly different way.

[Ran]

Ohnoez, I'm threatened by the notion of morality without some horribly contradictary book spoon feeding ignorance to me so I'm going to make Atheism seem ridiculous because I can't wrap my head around even the basic, laymen scientific origins of life and the universe you can hear about on the Discovery Channel.

Also, Atheism is not a belief. A belief is a thing that you hold to be true despite the fact that it is directly contradicted or disproven by empirical evidence.

If you're an Atheist you don't "believe" in anything, you know things to be true because they've been scientifically proven.

zzzzzz

Your rebutle could have used some refining. Leave the sh*t-tossing to the monkeys and try to hold an intelligent conversation. This isn't the Whoreslounge.

Also, science has just as many theories and flaws as any religion on most comparable subjects. The creation of the world for example. Both science and religion have their stances of subjects and sometimes one will outweigh the other. When it comes to these things, it helps to have an open mind.

Oh, and just for the record, I'm agnostic. I do think that there's some sort of afterlife, reincarnation, or high power out there. I just don't know what and I don't pretend to know.

[The12lber]

Your rebutle could have used some refining. Leave the sh*t-tossing to the monkeys and try to hold an intelligent conversation. This isn't the Whoreslounge.

The irony of this statement reached right through my TV and killed me.

My statement was actually prompted by someone else posting something lacking in substance, instead laden with vitriol and non-facts.

Also, science has just as many theories and flaws as any religion on most comparable subjects. The creation of the world for example. Both science and religion have their stances of subjects and sometimes one will outweigh the other. When it comes to these things, it helps to have an open mind.

Science has flaws such as... I'm waiting... really...
I suppose the most popular one is natural selection and evolution and the contention by zany idiots that there's debate within the scientific community about whether or not this actually takes place.

Unless you count the people who got their education at diploma mills arguing that the great biblical flood was caused by the Earth's crust cracking and that dinosaurs are actually 700 year old iguanas, there is not.

If you're insinuating science doesn't have an explanation to all the "big questions" religion wants to answer you're sadly mistaken.

I'm sure plenty of charity goes through religion.

People also get stoned in the streets for holding hands with someone of another religious demomination for religion.

One could argue that this is an extreme example. However, events like this are all too common and less egregious violations of rights are state sanctioned right here in this country.

Religion is nothing but ignorance.

[Ran]

The irony of this statement reached right through my TV and killed me.

My statement was actually prompted by someone else posting something lacking in substance, instead laden with vitriol and non-facts.

Irony? There was no irony. I consider his post just as worthless as yours was due to the content. However, there's no reason why you should of had to lower your standards and respond in kind. Judging from the statements in your more recent posts, you seem to be capable of more than that. That's a compliment.

Science has flaws such as... I'm waiting... really...
I suppose the most popular one is natural selection and evolution and the contention by zany idiots that there's debate within the scientific community about whether or not this actually takes place.

Unless you count the people who got their education at diploma mills arguing that the great biblical flood was caused by the Earth's crust cracking and that dinosaurs are actually 700 year old iguanas, there is not.

If you're insinuating science doesn't have an explanation to all the "big questions" religion wants to answer you're sadly mistaken.

Okay, maybe I misworded. I do know, and respect, that science gives us answers to most things in our physical world. No question there. Also, I'm not much into the Evolution vs. Creation debate. I do, however, wonder about the origin of this world and of life itself. For one reason of another, I find it a bit easier to accept a divine creator over a random explosion in the cosmos. That and the simple complexity of physical life itself. I don't see how single cell organisms could simply come together and form something as complex as even an eye. Save your evolution over time response because I've heard it before and I still find it hard to accept the fact that there wasn't some sort of greater essence at work.

Religion is nothing but ignorance.

Kind of a bold statement. I'll accept the fact that religion is based primarily on faith and belief. However, I think to ignore it all together is just as ignorant as those that would ignore science.

[The12lber]

Okay, maybe I misworded. I do know, and respect, that science gives us answers to most things in our physical world. No question there. Also, I'm not much into the Evolution vs. Creation debate. I do, however, wonder about the origin of this world and of life itself. For one reason of another, I find it a bit easier to accept a divine creator over a random explosion in the cosmos. That and the simple complexity of physical life itself. I don't see how single cell organisms could simply come together and form something as complex as even an eye. Save your evolution over time response because I've heard it before and I still find it hard to accept the fact that there wasn't some sort of greater essence at work.

Just because its easier to believe doesn't make it a more complete or correct explanation.

Kind of a bold statement. I'll accept the fact that religion is based primarily on faith and belief. However, I think to ignore it all together is just as ignorant as those that would ignore science.

Its not really the same since me rejecting religion is all there is to it. I personally will not believe it.

I'm not going to consider you a lower life form if you're religious, force you to become an apostas or legislate your life into second class citizen hell.

Or do any of those crazy things we think would NEVER happen in the incredibly tolerant United States of America >>

That's the difference.

[bu villain]

Also, science has just as many theories and flaws as any religion on most comparable subjects. The creation of the world for example. Both science and religion have their stances of subjects and sometimes one will outweigh the other. When it comes to these things, it helps to have an open mind.

I disagree with this statement. Science says "We don't know how the universe was created but we have some theories that are not fully proven but have large amounts of evidence for them." Religion says "We know how the universe was created and we believe that no matter what evidence is contrary to it."

Oh, and just for the record, I'm agnostic. I do think that there's some sort of afterlife, reincarnation, or high power out there. I just don't know what and I don't pretend to know.

I used to be agnostic as well but the more I studied and the more I learned to not give in to what I wanted to be true, the harder time I had believing there could be a god (in the traditional sense). That being said, I do not look down on anyone for their beliefs as long as they are not harmful to others.

[bu villain]

Also, Islam, Christianity, and Judiasm are all very new religions in the timeline of human history.