Originally Posted by BABY J
I assure you that I am not confused - I use terms that most will "get" on this forum.As far as you and your fiance are concerned - tell me what you think of this verse:
2 Corinthians 6:14/ (King James Version)
How far does this verse reach out to YOU?? How far should followers take it? Just a thought - and I want your input.
great! Now I have to go read that...if i can ever find it!
updates?
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I am going to start it back up this weekend. I have a flight somewhere, so it should be a good time. i have had a lot going on recently with all of the end of the year stuff...and I got a little bogged down with genesis. I think I am going to skip ahead for a minute. All of this lineage is boring.
Amazing how there are no real answers to this, the most simple problem of creation. Looks like Eve was a little worn out for the first 17 years or so.So far I have found lots of slavery and incest. I have also found that God promised A LOT of people the same thing, like a long line of descendents and lots of land.
I decided to read it just so i can say i have and see how it effects me. I will post my questions in here and maybe some of the bible bangers
I guess the first question is where did the women come from for Adam and Eve's boys?
Just know that religion pretty much boils down to this: You either worship god and no others, or you burn in hell for eternity. Religion of fear.
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Tracy, I'm glad you are taking your steps into educating yourself. I would recommend skipping around from book to book so you don't get so bored. Especially in the Old Testament... lots of history, boring geneology... skip around...
For me, when I read a good book in the Bible, I'd ask myself, "What happened before hand?" so that prompted me to read the book before it or after... to read it straight thru is quite a feat and one could get very worn/burnt out very fast... find something that interests you... I like war movies... so I went to Kings and Chronicles and read about exactly that... war!
You really don't need to read the entire Bible to understand what its ment for. It is a historical book, regardless of what ppl say. Its a compilation of different books put into a singular, chronological form. In fact, there are more books out there that are not in the Bible and yes, it was written by man and many different men contributed to the Bible (some of which, men deemed not important enough to add to the Bible)... but it all leads to the same thing and they all foretell the same prophecy to come. Which is the New Testament...
an analogy I like to make for the Bible is this:
You have a thousand white tiles and only a couple of red tiles... all of which are face down... what is the likelihood that for every tile you pick it, it happens to be the red tiles? (white representing the stories/books/scrolls written by different authors and men, red representing the stories/books/scrolls written by different authors and men but telling of the same story)
Not sure if that makes sense... but find the answers for yourself and come back with your questions. Tho i know you hate faith, the only person that will every truley understand it, is yourself. It is really up to you to question your faith and then find the answer to your questions by researching it yourself. What someone says about God and Jesus should not be taken as gospel, but one should always research into it yourself... so you can find the true meaning for yourself...
I read what you are saying. I also have faith...just a different kind. Its not the same as the people who say if you don't believe in god, you are going to hell
yours and yours alone is the only faith that you will ever need. Your faith is what you call your own...
Faith in yourself, faith in your car, faith in whatever you need to make you feel satisfied about life. But its YOUR faith... no one elses.
Last edited by ahabion; 12-13-2007 at 11:02 PM.
The bible is full of mistakes, just like our history books.
The Bible is a novel, just like Harry Potter, The Wizard of Oz and any other fantasy novel out there.
If you were to destroy all literature and 1000 years from now a Harry Potter book was found, he would be the new Jesus Christ. That's just how people are. They need to know that they are the center of things and that there is something waiting for them after death so that they don't lose all hope in life. Without that, the weak minded will fail.
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This is how I have always felt.
Even if you did destroy all literature, there is no record to verify that Harry Potter ever existed. Even so, it is natural for people to question the world around them and when science can not prove anything as factual, they rule it out.
In contrast, many of the biblical historic events have been proven and accounted for by various authors of different cultures. The Ark was founded in the mountains of Turkey, documented by several cultures and religions. Different cultures have similar accounts of the life of Moses. List goes on and on....
But IF all literature was destroyed... not sure what would happen... no Bill of Rights or Doc of Independence... no more laws to bind us... no more Shakespear or even Playboy/Hustler... that would be an interesting movie... Lets just hope everything gets scanned and filed in a computer somewhere hehe.
By dammit, I like you buddy. Even though we are on opposite sides of the whole science/spiritual thing, you are a good debater. Almost a Masterdebater. HA.
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First off I want to say I am always happy to see people who ask "Why do I believe this" and to search for truth. I was agnostic for many years until I really started studying religion and philosophy more in depth which has now led me to atheism. Who knows, maybe in 10 years I will believe in God. The important thing is to never stop asking questions and learning. Anyways...Thanks
This is also one of my points when I say I am generally a good person and I think God is fine with that. That's what makes me feel ok about religion and how I have handled it. I have my complete view on what I think is true. It's a mix of things that just make common sense TO ME. It would be cool to pick up a book that verified what I believe in my heart...I don't expect it to happen, but it would be nice. I sleep just fine, Bible or not
What I found particularly interesting about your post above is that you seem to be very comfortable with your beliefs and actions but yet you are looking for a book to affirm you. Why are you looking for agreement from a book? Do you feel that your beliefs are any more or less valid because someone else wrote them down on paper? I completely support reading religious writings but I am just wondering what you are hoping to find and what would you do differently if you find what you are looking for. Good luck with your search.
By dammit, I like you buddy. Even though we are on opposite sides of the whole science/spiritual thing, you are a good debater. Almost a Masterdebater. HA.
i think the bible may be flawed a little through the times and constant revisions. not to mention people tend to embellish just a tad. but good for you, hows the shop, and pepe/lupe doing?
There is a mixed answer for this for me. I probably am kind of looking for something. I'm not completely sure what it is. I do know that I am afraid to die. It has scared me since I was little. Dan says it's because I have no faith. I also know that I am ready to start THINKING about kids. I need to figure out how to answer their questions (if and when they have them) and that means I have to be educated. That is important to me.
I already said this one, but I like to argue, as you well know).
Very well explained. I have quiet a few words I would like to add myself. People in this world are lucky to suffer the things that we experience once, and for all. They don't realize that when you suffer, you become stronger and stronger, but if you doubt yourself you will become weaker, and more weaker. You will never accomplish something if you have no hope. Suffering has become a great potential in this world. We as human beings IRL need to treat each other how we want to be treated. It's not necessarily based on religion, but we were given a perfect present in which we call a "life" from God, who expects us to make the best out of it. That is to obtain the pursuit of happiness in which ever way we go.
You are afraid to die because you do not know what comes next. It is natural for people to be afraid of the unknown. And your friend Dan may be right. If you have "faith" that you will go to heaven then you will feel better about death. Unfortunately, simply believing something because it makes you feel better does not make it true. As far as kids go, it's good that you want to be able to educate them and you should persue that. If you think reading the bible will help then thats great. Just remember that just because it is written in a book doesn't make it true (doesn't make it false either) and no parent has all the answers to everything. Its okay to tell your child that you don't always know the answer to all their questions. Be honest with them.
your doing an awesome thing, something i've never done and im am a believer in God and jesus. i don't call myself a christian i stopped doing that when i was pretty young.
i was raised baptist and started going to a non-denominational church when i was pretty young. fearing death is something nobody should have to do. i think you will find what your looking for eventually, you are definatly doing the right thing.
that was pretty scattered just trying to help if i can at all.
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I spend a lot of time on this site but I very rarely ever post. The majority of the time I only post to buy or sell something. Occasionally though I read a post that interests me enough to post something. Well this is one of those posts.
Tracy, I’ll be honest with you I didn’t read all five pages( I read 1-3) because I became disgusted with the ridiculous arguments and unbelievable responses. I am very open minded, I have studied all major religions and about half of the smaller religions that I know of. I have studied the historical authenticity of both the Christian Bible, the Mormon Bible, The Koran, The Torah, The Dead Sea Scrolls, and other various religious books. I have studied Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin. I’m currently learning early and late Egyptian. So allow me to identify what I will and will not respond to.
I will respond to questions(any and all, even questions concerning apparent contradictions) but I will not argue with anyone.
First let me clarify a few major misconceptions, the Bible never teaches a “blind faith” that just accepts things. I will admit a lot of churches as well as pastors have the nerve to say, “you just have to accept it, that’s just the way it is.” My personal beliefs are built rationally not irrationally “just because.” While many Christians hold that weak view, the Bible never teaches it.
I noticed you asked a question concerning the wives of the sons of Adam and Eve. I noticed several people responded with a separate creation answer. A separate creation answer would sound something like this, “the Bible says Adam and Eve were he first people God created but, that doesn’t mean they were the only people He created.” That misconception started when, what we currently know now as the United States of America was discovered and the explorers saw “red men who were savaged and unclothed.” For Christians at the time that was a major problem because the color of the people were so different it meant there must have been a separate creation.
Let me be the first to say there was not a separate creation and that belief actually contradicts what scripture teaches.
My answer is simply this, Genesis 5:4
"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters. "
Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters not only Cain and Abel and Seth.
The Bible teaches everyone who is currently in existence came from Adam and Eve so the wives of Cane and Abel where more children of Adam and Eve.
Also the “Message Bible,” by Eugene Peterson I reject as scripture. Peterson in an interview was asked “How much should people read the Bible?” his astonishing response “ Well people don’t really need to read it, only know a few of the basics.” To me, that doesn’t sound like someone who was called by God to interpret scripture for people to read and be able to understand.
Also I have multiple example of how the message has completely misinterpreted scripture and completely changed the message of the scripture.
I am willing to answer and help in any ways possible.
Here’s a fact for you that may be of some interest. The Nelson King James version as well as the Nelson New King James version is 99.6% accurate to the original manuscripts which were all completed by year 90-100 ad.
Also I am willing to discuss issues on the theories of creation including evolution.
Matt
zone911, I had a small discussion about evolution here ----> God vs. Science . The subject doesn't arise til the end. But if you have time to read up on the thread, im sure you'll find something that'll get you in the mood to post.
You had my interest until that. If that is true, and it has to be because it came from the Bible, then we would all have multiple eyes, birth defects and many other ailments because science has proven that you dip into your own gene pool too many times, crazy stuff starts happening. So I think about the 3rd generation of Adam and Eve's kids' screwing each other we would have had some X-files going on.
I don't believe in the Bible or religion. The Bible is a book, a book written a long time ago as maybe a history book but a book none the less. It is a work of fictional non fiction. Meaning it has dates and places that coincide with history but it is filled with magic and miracles that we know as smart and intelligent people are simply impossible.
Religion is the way for people to do bad things and be forgiven for them. Killing in the name of religion, sinning and asking for forgiveness only to sin again. Many many more act's of violence or sheer hatred are commited in the name of religion to this day.
God is not the bible, God is not religion. You don't need either of them to have a relationship with God. If you feel that you do, you are misinformed and weak minded.
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