So, I have been reading the bible and.....
So far I have found lots of slavery and incest. I have also found that God promised A LOT of people the same thing, like a long line of descendents and lots of land.
I decided to read it just so i can say i have and see how it effects me. I will post my questions in here and maybe some of the bible bangerscan help me understand.
I guess the first question is where did the women come from for Adam and Eve's boys?
damn tracy I have to say I am seeing you in a different light now. I still love ya though.Originally Posted by tracy
So far I have found lots of slavery and incest. I have also found that God promised A LOT of people the same thing, like a long line of descendents and lots of land.
I decided to read it just so i can say i have and see how it effects me. I will post my questions in here and maybe some of the bible bangers
I guess the first question is where did the women come from for Adam and Eve's boys?
Well, contrary to what people think they know about me...I think I'm pretty smart IRL. The forums are just bullshit fun. I want to be able to defend my position on religion. I feel like I can't do that without first educating myself on what I wish to debate about. I am going to read the Quoran (Koran) and next the Torah. Also, someday I plan on having kids. I feel like it's important to be able to answer questions for them. I never had that.
I admire you for that for real. This country is starting to slack when it comes to religion so we do need, some people to bring that subject back into focus.
I plan on reading it one day. How far along are you in it and how long have you actually been reading it?
I'm still in Genesis and it's been about a week. I only read a few pages a day. It's a lot to understand and quite boring at this point. Lots of genealogy so far. I am reading the Contemporary Version (The New International Version). That just means it's in todays language. I also have the real Bible to cross reference...just in case something seems fishy.
I have always considered myself Agnostic, but only because I don't know anything else. I was raised with 0 religion. I feel like you can't stand for something you know nothing about. How could I say I am Catholic or Christian or whatever until I read and relate to something?
From what I read god created them. I admit I really dont get the bible...LOL. Damn shame on me for a pastor's son. LOL
Just wait till you read Revelation!!! WOOOO MASS MURDER CHAOS AND DEATH ON EARTH!!! YES!!!!!
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Maybe it'll affect your spelling mistakes, lolol. Good for you, Tracy for broadening your horizons. Later, QD.
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God probably made people outside of eden. Its probably one of the many many facts that the early jews or the early catholics decided to remove from the scriptures. Im not a super bible beater, but I watch the history chanel, and the men back then liked to take parts out that had a lot to do with women, or if it contradicted anything else that they liked better.So far I have found lots of slavery and incest. I have also found that God promised A LOT of people the same thing, like a long line of descendents and lots of land.
I decided to read it just so i can say i have and see how it effects me. I will post my questions in here and maybe some of the bible bangers
I guess the first question is where did the women come from for Adam and Eve's boys?
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that's one of those things that just kinda seems to be left out...
i mean it doesn't state that God ONLY created adam and eve... just said he created them first... so it's kinda like an understood He made more later....
that's how i look at it... but i wasn't there so...
Agreed. What you'll soon find out is that the Bible isn't in complete chronological order. There is a Bible though, that has been put in chronological order. That may be a good reference as well.
I guess it doesn't say that he ONLY created Adam and Eve. It just weird to me that you have to fill in the blanks on something that is so concrete in people's eyes...like the bible
In an abstract way, that is the definition of Faith.It just weird to me that you have to fill in the blanks on something that is so concrete in people's eyes...like the bible
Well I hate faith!
Filling in the blanks about where Cain and Abel's wives came from is not a big deal, and not what Christianity is founded upon. Mostly what's 100% w/o a shadow of doubt exact is the important stuff.Well I hate faith!
Although, I think many things were left vague to make us think on our own, and allow us to define our own convictions.
The term "Christian" is so widely used and abused. This causes problems in many eyes, but especially those curious about this faith that many base their entire lives on. They look at people who call themselves Christians, and see hypocrites. This pushes them away from wanting to know more. I applaud you for wanting to know all you can about every religion. You have to know both sides before you can argue for one.
Tracy, you can add to the fairytale the parts you need to fill in. I think Santa brought them.
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I strongly suggest buying "The Message" bible. It puts it all into normal, everyday talk. Check it out
But yeah, I think God created others after Adam & Eve also. I'll admit that the bible can be confusing at times, especially if you weren't brought up learning it. So I hope us "Bible Thumpers" can help ya
Psalm 23 tracy. Thou shall not want
which brings me to my next thought, stop sending me lewd texts. its inappropriate.
Get out of here! This is grown folks talk!
Psalm 23 tracy. dammit woman!!
if you behave I may take you window shopping later. I wont buy you anything, but we can look.
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and I won't cause a ruckus (jaime - lol) unless provoked. I'm gonna make nice.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
ok i'll be that guy...
i am a Christian but i don't think the Bible is this 100% factual, set-in-stone, historical document. it is a story intended to explain certain issues and themes to people. God, being omnipotent and omniscient, would probably have a hard time conversing in His dialect with a normal person. we could never comprehend the vastness or importance that way, thus the story is told like a novel, not a documentary.
more to your question...
either a) God created just Adam and Eve and thus their grandkids would all be produced through incest (possible) or God created others after Adam and Eve (also possible). the point is neither. God is trying to get you to understand He started this. all of this. whether He created monkeys that evolved into humans is not the BIG ISSUE but a trivial facet we get wrapped around.
if you keep reading you will notice lots of interesting things. people living to be 900, a guy being 'beamed up' to heaven, talking bushes, and parting seas...in my opinion, if all that happened, awesome, and if not, at least the story has been conveyed in a manner in which i can grasp (story/Bible form).
people/Christians who make a major deal out of literal translation and such are just missing the boat...take it for what it is worth, a story about God creating the earth and sacrificing His Son to save us.
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God created man out of dust from the Earth. Then he decided that man should have a companion, hence the women. When Adam was asleep he took one of his ribs and proceeded to create Eve. The Bible was written by man through the words spoken to them by God. You can look at the bible as a time line constructed by God to what has happened and will happen in the days ahead. Good luck on your search for answers.
Other than the fact that there WAS no sacrifice b/c he UN-SACRIFICED him a few days after sacrificing him. Woops, I'll be quiet.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
So how is it going for you Tracy?
So if I could promise to bring you back to life, you would allow me to torture and crucify you...Other than the fact that there WAS no sacrifice b/c he UN-SACRIFICED him a few days after sacrificing him. Woops, I'll be quiet.
Plus you neglect the fact that Jesus supposedly only came back for a short while before going to heaven.
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^^ Actually I would. Then I could brag about it and say I did it.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
this is not what this thread was intended for... this is not a bash christianity thread...
everything in that book is bullshit..
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in all honesty... do you realize how childish you are??
killer, thats MY opinion, you have yours i have MINE
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and that's fine...
but coming into a thread like this with the attitude you have is what is BS...
who are you to tell any of us that we're wrong?? and vice versa... you've said it countless times that it's sooooo wrong for a christian to say "I KNOW THERE IS"... yet you are always saying "I KNOW THERE ISN'T"...
I haven't gotten as far as I would like. I feel kind of bogged down with it. It's funny because all my life (before I started to read the Bible) I have kind of believed what some have said in here....the bible wasn't meant to be taken literally. I always believed that it was a representation of what may have happened. Kind of like "it's raining cats and dogs" and "Moses parted the Red Sea". They always seemed the same to me. The problem was, and what prompted me to start to read, that religious people always seemed to take it it very literally when I had conversations about it. I have always believed, myself, that Jesus was the son of God the same way you or I are "the son of God" not that he was ACTUALLY the son of God.
People only use the Lord as an excuse to be nice. All type of religion is nothing but a bunch of storys passed on threw generations. Fairy tails. The bible or anything you hear about "you're going to hell if you don't go to church". are all just a way for you to "act" good, stay out of trouble, ect.. Its like giving a baby some candy to make it stop crying. We all need to understand, that nothing out there is true. Show me proof, of this, so called son of god...
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I always thought the same....that it was a story or fairy tale passed down from generation to generation. Fairy tales all have a moral to the story...even most nursery rhymes have a moral.
I am a prove it to me person, as well. I never understand why I am supposed to have faith. I have had this discussion on here before. It just doesn't make sense to me that if God loves me and wants me to believe in him, then he should get to know me and know that I need proof
Thats what stuck out to me when I read this. It sounds like your priority for yourself is higher than actually seeking Him.I always thought the same....that it was a story or fairy tale passed down from generation to generation. Fairy tales all have a moral to the story...even most nursery rhymes have a moral.
I am a prove it to me person, as well. I never understand why I am supposed to have faith. I have had this discussion on here before. It just doesn't make sense to me that if God loves me and wants me to believe in him, then he should get to know me and know that I need proof
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek Him.
If you seek him honestly, i'm sure he will speak to you again in some way. It seems like he already has done something to you for you to start reading the bible. Also, if you have more questions and your having a hard time finding them in the bible, try and find some type of bible study group you could join.
Theres probably a better way this could have been said, but I usually have a hard time explaining. I did refer to my bible and devotional book to try and find something that would help.
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