Don't you guys just love four bucks a gallon for gas?

[Aeroscout977]

The new fuel of the future is the one made from green algae. Trey from Visible notionz back in the day, runs a business that creates the whole system and sells them all across the world. Stuff is amazing and only uses sunlight to keep a constant supply of renewable fuel. THATS the fuel of the future. Australians are buying these things like crazy. Its like 4 or 5 cargo containers and you have a mini refinery.

It's not new. As a matter of fact it's produced today from products such as corn, sugar cane, kudzu, etc. etc.

You're burning in your car right now.

Ethanol.

The government is actually pushing the technology very heavily. Nevada is being considered a very likely source for algae farms to produce Ethanol. You still need gasoline to produce a consumable product. Nevada has enough unused government land to produce enough Ethanol to meet the countries automotive needs. There are problems with running Ethanol however. It has very low lubricity which shortens the life of the engine and compared to gasoline it will take more to burn. It's on a 1.42:1 energy ratio compared to gasoline.



What we will find is the application of alternative fuels will increase. The rising price of gasoline will eventually intersect the falling prices of alternative fuels. That's in regard to the technology to efficiently produce the quantities needed to meet our demand. Interestingly enough the one player in the alt. fuel argument that I don't see making it in the foreseeable future is Hydrogen. Be it ICE or Fuel Cell applications I think there's still not enough infrastructure to consider it a viable source at this point in time.

[Aeroscout977]

Agreed. We already poison straight Ethanol to keep it off the black-market.




What? You guys didn't know that?

It's "poisoned" with gasoline. This is more of a safety feature than anything else.

[Sinfix_15]

It's a great place. I'm hoping to make Portland my perminant home later this year.

Well..... Oregon's appeal just took a major hit.



Oregon Drafts Invasive Gun Control Law

[Elbow]

Agreed. We already poison straight Ethanol to keep it off the black-market.




What? You guys didn't know that?

I did I did.

[bu villain]

Maybe, and this is a big maybe I know... If we pumped off of the oil reserves we have here, it would be cheaper. Now, this is where it gets really crazy. If the EPA/Feds would allow new refineries to be built, it might reduce the price further. ~GASP~ Alas, now by the time a refinery is built it will be too late to matter.

Now I work in the petroleum industry, so obviously all I want is to pollute the air and water to make a buck...

Well since you are in the industry I am sure you know the US is responsible for less than 8% of the world's crude oil production (reference: U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)). Even if we doubled our production, consumers would probably hardly even notice the price impact especially as emerging countries like China and Brazil continue to use more and more. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with additional domestic oil production, but it simply wouldn't have that big of an impact on prices and blaming the price of gas on any American politician is just nonsense.

[Aeroscout977]

We do however have a plethora of natural gas. 100 years worth. That would buy us time to further develop other sources.

[On_Her_Face]

Yeah I've had to be real sensitive with the right foot recently. Oh well I average 18 around town and 26 on the highway... could be worse.

[BanginJimmy]

Yeah I've had to be real sensitive with the right foot recently. Oh well I average 18 around town and 26 on the highway... could be worse.

I would LOVE to see 18 around town. I average about 15-15.5 around town and about 19 highway.

[Browning151]

I would LOVE to see 18 around town. I average about 15-15.5 around town and about 19 highway.

Damn you, I do good to average your in town mpg with 97% highway driving.

[BanginJimmy]

Damn you, I do good to average your in town mpg with 97% highway driving.

WTF are you driving?

[Echonova]

When I had the Chevy dually last year, is was an 8.1 and I got 10mpg highway, 4mpg if I was towing my 24' trailer.

[BanginJimmy]

When I had the Chevy dually last year, is was an 8.1 and I got 10mpg highway, 4mpg if I was towing my 24' trailer.

Driving a dually, especially with a trailer, that is to be expected.

[Echonova]

Same trailer, this truck... I can get 15mpg if I keep my foot out of it, usually average around 13 though

[quickdodge®]

You guys are all driving smart cars compared to my Volvo.

Sissies.

[keevo54]

lol I get 10-11mpg in my truck and 12-13mpg in my vette

[Aeroscout977]

Hah! 37MPG highway and 205HP at the wheels. I heart my understeering Honda.

[Bacon]

I dont pay attention to my mpg. I just fill my car up with premium and ride out. I only pay attention to the gas gauge.

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[Browning151]

WTF are you driving?

99 Z71. Ext cab, loaded toolbox, 5.7 on 33's (yes I know, not really all that big) etc etc.

[RL...]

Im glad i bought a 4 cylinder DD for this reason. It's also nice having an automatic, sometimes driving a stick is a pain in the ass.

[quickdodge®]

lol I get 10-11mpg in my truck and 12-13mpg in my vette

99 Z71. Ext cab, loaded toolbox, 5.7 on 33's (yes I know, not really all that big) etc etc.

Like I said............Smart cars, lolol. I can't get anywhere close to double digit miles per gallon.

It's also nice having an automatic, sometimes driving a stick is a pain in the ass.

You're darn right, man. Funny how some people knock on automatics. Sometimes I love getting in my car and just putting it in drive and riding out.

[Elbow]

I can never do an automatic, it's so lifeless and annoying.

[On_Her_Face]

I would LOVE to see 18 around town. I average about 15-15.5 around town and about 19 highway.

In the Ram in your avatar? I do miss having my RSX-S as a daily but the C6 ain't bad, I just down like loading it up with miles. 39k and counting. With the C7 I am going to daily for a year then I want one of them new RWD Subaru doohickeys as my daily.

I can never do an automatic, it's so lifeless and annoying.

I mean driving an auto isn't bad in certain cases, daily driving or sub 9second drag cars. Sometimes I wish my Corvette was an automatic, but that's only in traffic lol.

[.blank cd]

If I ever got less than 25mpg, I'd probably kill myself.

[Elbow]

I mean driving an auto isn't bad in certain cases, daily driving or sub 9second drag cars. Sometimes I wish my Corvette was an automatic, but that's only in traffic lol.

I mean sure in drag racing it makes sense, for street use though I just can't do it. Every time I have an automatic rental I want to shoot myself.

[E36slide]

Don't you just love that the 1st amendment can now land you a felony lol

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[Elbow]

Don't you just love that the 1st amendment can now land you a felony lol

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.....where did you pull that from?

If you're speaking of the whole "protesting with secret service" HR 347 that has been floating around for a year, do some research. That law is pretty much the same since the 70s, all it says really is you can't protest on private property, AKA sneaking into the White House and protesting.

Sounds like we're all doomed!

[.blank cd]

.....where did you pull that from?

Probably from something like Rush Limbaugh since it isn't true.

[E36slide]

.....where did you pull that from?

If you're speaking of the whole "protesting with secret service" HR 347 that has been floating around for a year, do some research. That law is pretty much the same since the 70s, all it says really is you can't protest on private property, AKA sneaking into the White House and protesting.

Sounds like we're all doomed!

Idk a few videos have been posted all over my facebook from the news about obama passing a new law. Didn't care to research it since 90% of what obama does gets blown out of proportion. Ill try and get the link.


guess your right, but it's where ever the secret service is present not just the white house. It's amazing that with all the ppl who hate this dude he hasn't been assassinated yet lol
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[Elbow]

Idk a few videos have been posted all over my facebook from the news about obama passing a new law. Didn't care to research it since 90% of what obama does gets blown out of proportion. Ill try and get the link.


guess your right, but it's where ever the secret service is present not just the white house. It's amazing that with all the ppl who hate this dude he hasn't been assassinated yet lol
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Not just the White House, but I'm pretty sure it's not just ANYWHERE they are.

Read the actual law, not some description on Obamasucks.net.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf

[E36slide]

Not just the White House, but I'm pretty sure it's not just ANYWHERE they are.

Read the actual law, not some description on Obamasucks.net.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf

I didn't read it I saw it on a political news show.

I could careless I don't have shit to protest about just wanted to watch sin fix blow up. Lol

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[Sinfix_15]

Idk a few videos have been posted all over my facebook from the news about obama passing a new law. Didn't care to research it since 90% of what obama does gets blown out of proportion. Ill try and get the link.


guess your right, but it's where ever the secret service is present not just the white house. It's amazing that with all the ppl who hate this dude he hasn't been assassinated yet lol
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omg i would cry for days if something so terrible happened.

[Sinfix_15]

Not just the White House, but I'm pretty sure it's not just ANYWHERE they are.

Read the actual law, not some description on Obamasucks.net.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr347enr.pdf

Define "government grounds"

Parks? sidewalks?

[Elbow]

Define "government grounds"

Parks? sidewalks?

It's really not hard to read that and figure out what it means.

I know it may be surprising, but the government isn't literally out to get you.

[E36slide]

It's really not hard to read that and figure out what it means.

I know it may be surprising, but the government isn't literally out to get you.

Then why does obama seem to be fucking with all the rights that don't and shouldn't be fucked with?

Idgaf who you are or where you are I should be able to protest regardless. So protesting in front of the white house is deemed a felony? From reading this gibberish it seems that way. I didn't want to belive all the hype about obama being such a douche but its been one negative thing after another.


All of his bad in my eyes will change once he makes weed legal. Its probably the only positive thing he could do with his last 4 years.

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[Sinfix_15]

It's really not hard to read that and figure out what it means.

I know it may be surprising, but the government isn't literally out to get you.

The government may not be out to "get me" but they make sure to leave the option of "getting me" available by the letter of the law.

[Elbow]

The government may not be out to "get me" but they make sure to leave the option of "getting me" available by the letter of the law.

I don't read this particular law as anything any of us would need to worry about.

[Sinfix_15]

I don't read this particular law as anything any of us would need to worry about.

Making it illegal to protest isnt anything to worry about?

I guess Joe Biden was right..... "No ordinary american cares about their constitution rights"

[Elbow]

Making it illegal to protest isnt anything to worry about?

I guess Joe Biden was right..... "No ordinary american cares about their constitution rights"

It's not illegal to protest. lol This law has been around since 1971 I think, don't twist this. Did you even read the link?

[Sinfix_15]

It's not illegal to protest. lol This law has been around since 1971 I think, don't twist this. Did you even read the link?

Yeah, i asked you to define what "government grounds" are.... because that is where this law is prohibiting protest.

[Elbow]

Yeah, i asked you to define what "government grounds" are.... because that is where this law is prohibiting protest.

Seems straight forward to me:

‘‘(1) the term ‘restricted buildings or grounds’ means any
posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area—
‘‘(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice
President’s official residence or its grounds;
‘‘(B) of a building or grounds where the President or
other person protected by the Secret Service is or will
be temporarily visiting; or
‘‘(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunc-tion with an event designated as a special event of national
significance; and
‘‘(2) the term ‘other person protected by the Secret Service’
means any person whom the United States Secret Service is
authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by
Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined
such protection.’’.