Those of you who support the 2nd amendment please look

[BanginJimmy]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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[KPowerEP3]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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Actually, in reference to number 3, with a GFL, you can, technically, do just that already. It's in no way limited to handguns, as I'm sure you know. Besides, what if I want to carry a sap or something similar? That would be a concealed weapon if I stuck it in my pocket. The thing's you're talking about are already loopholes, it's not really anything in the current bill that the petition is for, it is, however something that should be addressed, I agree with you there, but I don't believe that calls for a change of verbiage in this bill.

[BanginJimmy]

Actually, in reference to number 3, with a GFL, you can, technically, do just that already. It's in no way limited to handguns, as I'm sure you know. Besides, what if I want to carry a sap or something similar? That would be a concealed weapon if I stuck it in my pocket. The thing's you're talking about are already loopholes, it's not really anything in the current bill that the petition is for, it is, however something that should be addressed, I agree with you there, but I don't believe that calls for a change of verbiage in this bill.

I would have to read the actual bill, but I thought it only applied to handguns.

[DarwinsA32]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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I know #1 was in reference to me, as I stand now I have not been convicted... My CCW is still valid.

[BanginJimmy]

I know #1 was in reference to me, as I stand now I have not been convicted... My CCW is still valid.

It wasnt towards anyone in particular. If I wanted to personally attack you I would, it was just a simple statement of opinion.

[TIGERJC]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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This may be the only thing I will ever agree with you on and thats why I will not sign

[allmotoronly]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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1) This bill would allow people who have had misdemeanor marijuana and concealment charges to be able to apply for the license, not felony charges. The original idea for this section came from a guy here in GA who had a misdemeanor marijuana posession charge 30+ years ago as a teenager, who now is a responsible adult and community leader. Due to a charge where he only had to pay a fine originally, he now cannot get a GFL. A misdemeanor marijuana charge is less than one ounce. It would be different if they wanted to allow people with felony drug charges to obtain a GFL, but that is not the case. As for the previous concealed weapons charges. That is also for misdemeanor charges only. For Example, if you are pulled over and the police decide to search your car and they find a pocket knife in the glove box, that is technically a concealed weapon, and would bring misdemeanor concealed weapon charges. Felony concealed weapons charges usually involve a weapon being concealed to commit a crime.

2) it would be a violation of your second amendment rights to require firearm training to obtain a GFL. However, I do agree that firearm training is a MUST for people who get the permit so they can actually carry the weapon. Most people get it to carry a firearm in their car, and never or very rarely carry it on their person. It is the responsibility of the individual to obtain proper training.

3) A micro-uzi counts is a pistol, which can already be concealed (semi auto version). People cannot buy fully automatic weapons anyway, so the concealment of such weapons is not an issue. Only people with a class 2 manufacturers FFL or a class 3 FFL can possess fully automatic firearms. However, any fully auto weapon manufactured before 1986 can be owned by a person if a tax stamp is purchased (which involves a background check, and also allows the gov't the power to search/seize your property at any time).

[BanginJimmy]

1) This bill would allow people who have had misdemeanor marijuana and concealment charges to be able to apply for the license, not felony charges. The original idea for this section came from a guy here in GA who had a misdemeanor marijuana posession charge 30+ years ago as a teenager, who now is a responsible adult and community leader. Due to a charge where he only had to pay a fine originally, he now cannot get a GFL. A misdemeanor marijuana charge is less than one ounce. It would be different if they wanted to allow people with felony drug charges to obtain a GFL, but that is not the case. As for the previous concealed weapons charges. That is also for misdemeanor charges only. For Example, if you are pulled over and the police decide to search your car and they find a pocket knife in the glove box, that is technically a concealed weapon, and would bring misdemeanor concealed weapon charges. Felony concealed weapons charges usually involve a weapon being concealed to commit a crime.

I realize that, but I still think that it should disqualify you from obtaining a weapon. A good friend of mine has a domestic violence charge on his record because his GF was pissed at him. He never touched her (I was there) yet he still cannot leagally own a firearm. People that are no threat do sometimes get caught in the net, but I would rather 10 people that are not a threat being denied because of a misdemenor than 1 person that is.

2) it would be a violation of your second amendment rights to require firearm training to obtain a GFL. However, I do agree that firearm training is a MUST for people who get the permit so they can actually carry the weapon. Most people get it to carry a firearm in their car, and never or very rarely carry it on their person. It is the responsibility of the individual to obtain proper training.

I know it does, but there still needs to be some type of training for a carry license. That is not a right in any form or fashion.

3) A micro-uzi counts is a pistol, which can already be concealed (semi auto version). People cannot buy fully automatic weapons anyway, so the concealment of such weapons is not an issue. Only people with a class 2 manufacturers FFL or a class 3 FFL can possess fully automatic firearms. However, any fully auto weapon manufactured before 1986 can be owned by a person if a tax stamp is purchased (which involves a background check, and also allows the gov't the power to search/seize your property at any time).

I find it ahrd to belive that a micro uzi is classified as a pistol but I will take your word for it. That still doesnt account for the shotgun under the trenchcoat. There needs to be some very strict wording on what is considered concealable and what is not.

[Julio]

Concealed? but GA is a open carry state? So what is exactly changing? Besides the whole misdemeanor thing, that i do not agree with...

I have my GFL and I Honestly prefer to stay the way it is right now

[allmotoronly]

Concealed? but GA is a open carry state? So what is exactly changing? Besides the whole misdemeanor thing, that i do not agree with...

I have my GFL and I Honestly prefer to stay the way it is right now

GA is not an open carry state. You have to have a GFL to open carry just like you have to have a GFL to conceal carry. GA is one of few states left that do not allow open carry without a license.

[Julio]

GA is not an open carry state. You have to have a GFL to open carry just like you have to have a GFL to conceal carry. GA is one of few states left that do not allow open carry without a license.

Sorry.. I knew that.. I guess I didn't word it right... my bad.


I still think you need your GFL to have any weapon on you.. OC or Concealed.....

[allmotoronly]

I find it ahrd to belive that a micro uzi is classified as a pistol but I will take your word for it. That still doesnt account for the shotgun under the trenchcoat. There needs to be some very strict wording on what is considered concealable and what is not.

do you honestly believe that if someone wanted to conceal a shotgun under a trenchcoat to go on a killing spree that not having a permit to carry would stop them??? Do you think that just because this bill proposes to make all weapons concealable that more crazy's will start wearing trenchcoats with shotguns under them???