Those of you who support the 2nd amendment please look

[allmotoronly]

I originally posted this in the lifestyle section, but I think it would get more traffic here. Mods feel free to close the original post.

Those of you on IA who support the 2nd amendment and our right to bear arms, please read and consider the following house bill that has been proposed. This new bill will revise the current concealed carry laws in GA, making GA a true concealed carry state. If you don't have a GFL, I suggest you get one.

Georgia Citizens Supporting HB-615

Dear Georgia Legislators,

I am pleased to be a citizen of Georgia, a consistent voter and a proud firearm owner. Thank you for your overall support of my right to bear arms last year by passing HB 89. I am grateful to have representation like you in the Georgia General Assembly. With my signature on this petition, I pledge support to HB 615, which is a bill that aims to restore my right to bear arms in Georgia. I would be very grateful of your favorable vote on this legislation when you have the opportunity.

HB 615 returns 2nd Amendment rights to all the lawabiding citizen's of Georgia in that:

SECTION 1 - This section of the bill addresses the concealed carry law and permits the concealed carry of weapons, rather than just pistols, revolvers, and concealable firearms. Section 1 also makes it legal for those eligible under federal law to possess a firearm to possess a firearm in a motor vehicle, which fixes an oversight in the concealed carry statute.

SECTION 2 - This section repeals the public gathering law and makes it clear that the only places off limits to you in Georgia will be the portion of a building housing courtrooms, jail, or a prison.

SECTION 3 - This section repeals the requirement of a license to carry a pistol openly, making Georgia like the majority of states, where a license is needed only to conceal the weapon, not merely to carry it.

SECTION 4 - This section changes the licensing law to provide for the option of a lifetime license or the regular 5 year license. It also changes the issuing authority to the Secretary of State. This section also removes the disqualifier for misdemeanor marijuana convictions and concealed weapons carry offenses.

SECTION 5 - This section makes it illegal to seize your weapon during a declared emergency.

SECTION 6 - This section removes the Governor's power to seize your weapon during a time of declared emergency.

SECTION 7 - This section makes sure that your private information will still be confidential once the licensing moves over to the Secretary of State.

SECTION 8 - This section makes the act effective the day it is signed, rather than July 1 of the year it is signed.

SECTION 9 - This section repeals all conflicting laws.

If you support the changes proposed in this bill, please sign the online petition below. If your state representative supported HB 89 and you believe they would be in support of this bill, please email them and ask for their support.

petition
http://www.petitiononline.com/GaHB615/petition.html


list of state representatives (with email list)
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_.../07district.htm

district map
(metro)
http://georgiareapportionment.uga.e...ouse06metro.pdf
(the rest of GA)
http://georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu/pdf/2006house.pdf

[BobbyFresco]

How many sections are you going to post the same thread in?

[allmotoronly]

How many sections are you going to post the same thread in?

hmmm. maybe you should read the first sentence before you open your mouth.

[§treet_§peed]

you have to remember some people lack common sense.

[Friggintitsman]

When can I start carrying this again?



I just don't feel safe anymore

[allmotoronly]

When can I start carrying this again?



I just don't feel safe anymore

as soon as you sign the petition and this bill passes. seriously.

[Friggintitsman]

as soon as you sign the petition and this bill passes. seriously.

You'll have to excuse me for I have horrible reading comprehension, but I do not see where it says I can carry a blade. Especially one of this nature.

[allmotoronly]

You'll have to excuse me for I have horrible reading comprehension, but I do not see where it says I can carry a blade. Especially one of this nature.

SECTION 1 - This section of the bill addresses the concealed carry law and permits the concealed carry of weapons, rather than just pistols, revolvers, and concealable firearms. Section 1 also makes it legal for those eligible under federal law to possess a firearm to possess a firearm in a motor vehicle, which fixes an oversight in the concealed carry statute.

This section will make it legal to conceal carry weapons other than just pistols, such as knives, etc.

[Friggintitsman]

SECTION 1 - This section of the bill addresses the concealed carry law and permits the concealed carry of weapons, rather than just pistols, revolvers, and concealable firearms. Section 1 also makes it legal for those eligible under federal law to possess a firearm to possess a firearm in a motor vehicle, which fixes an oversight in the concealed carry statute.

This section will make it legal to conceal carry weapons other than just pistols, such as knives, etc.

That is what I thought.

Fuckin A where do I sign?

[BobbyFresco]

hmmm. maybe you should read the first sentence before you open your mouth.

Open my mouth..on the internetz, huh? Interesting.

and...doesn't take away from the fact that you've posted this thread elsewhere and I asked very politely where else you were planning on posting it.

[allmotoronly]

That is what I thought.

Fuckin A where do I sign?

bottom of this page
http://www.petitiononline.com/GaHB615/petition.html

[allmotoronly]

Open my mouth..on the internetz, huh? Interesting.

and...doesn't take away from the fact that you've posted this thread elsewhere and I asked very politely where else you were planning on posting it.

If you would have read the first sentence, you wouldn't have to ask anything very politely. I said that a mod can delete the first thread if they like.

[KPowerEP3]

GCO FTW! Nice to see another member on here!

[§treet_§peed]

i signed.

[willum14pb]

signed, good find.

[FlipKing]

signed

[JayL]

...signed!

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

signed!!!

[redrumracer]

signed

[FasTech]

I was the 767th signer.

[Magnus213]

No thanks.

I think I could count on my fingers the people I trust to carry a concealed weapon. The thought of most people on this site with a gun in their coat scares the hell out of me.

[allmotoronly]

No thanks.

I think I could count on my fingers the people I trust to carry a concealed weapon. The thought of most people on this site with a gun in their coat scares the hell out of me.

You do know that to obtain a GFL you must have a thorough FBI background check. The type of people who you are referring to usually don't have a firearms license. People like me and others here with a GFL are responsible law abiding citizens. Its the person who doesn't have a license to carry and conceals a weapon anyway that I am worried about. Don't be ignorant. Do you really think that it's the law abiding citizen who has a GFL for personal protection that you should be worried about, or a criminal who posesses a firearm illegally?

[Magnus213]

You do know that to obtain a GFL you must have a thorough FBI background check. The type of people who you are referring to usually don't have a firearms license. People like me and others here with a GFL are responsible law abiding citizens. Its the person who doesn't have a license to carry and conceals a weapon anyway that I am worried about. Don't be ignorant. Do you really think that it's the law abiding citizen who has a GFL for personal protection that you should be worried about, or a criminal who posesses a firearm illegally?

I did not know that, thank you for that information. I suppose I did assert a rather unwarranted fear without knowing all of the facts.

[allmotoronly]

I did not know that, thank you for that information. I suppose I did assert a rather unwarranted fear without knowing all of the facts.

no problem. You share a common misconception with many Americans. Not just anyone can get a concealed weapons permit. You have to have a practically spotless record. A little research on the topic will show you that states that allow concealment of a weapon (with a permit) have lower crime rates.

[81911SC]

no problem. You share a common misconception with many Americans. Not just anyone can get a concealed weapons permit. You have to have a practically spotless record. A little research on the topic will show you that states that allow concealment of a weapon (with a permit) have lower crime rates.

Very true, allmotor. I have mine and use it as much as I can. Never have had any problems.

[allmotoronly]

Very true, allmotor. I have mine and use it as much as I can. Never have had any problems.

thanks for agreeing. reps

[81911SC]

thanks for agreeing. reps

Back at cha.
Almost half my family has theirs and I think that everyone who has earned the right should use the right.

[allmotoronly]

Back at cha.
Almost half my family has theirs and I think that everyone who has earned the right should use the right.

agreed.

[allmotoronly]

Ok, I repped everyone who posted that they signed. Thanks for supporting the bill!!!

[DarwinsA32]

I signed, also we need to work up a house bill that protects us from Obama'ss proposed firearms legislation, it is entirely unconstitutional, i'll tell you for certain if and when any govt agent comes to my house to seize firearms there will be an incident.



Also, requirements to educate the gun ignorant liberals who cower in the fear at the utterance of the word "gun" about what it takes to obtain a CCW,FFL, or C&R so they don't go on assuming that all those 'Crazy gun owners' aren't the one's responsible for all the shit that goes on.

[BanginJimmy]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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[KPowerEP3]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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Actually, in reference to number 3, with a GFL, you can, technically, do just that already. It's in no way limited to handguns, as I'm sure you know. Besides, what if I want to carry a sap or something similar? That would be a concealed weapon if I stuck it in my pocket. The thing's you're talking about are already loopholes, it's not really anything in the current bill that the petition is for, it is, however something that should be addressed, I agree with you there, but I don't believe that calls for a change of verbiage in this bill.

[BanginJimmy]

Actually, in reference to number 3, with a GFL, you can, technically, do just that already. It's in no way limited to handguns, as I'm sure you know. Besides, what if I want to carry a sap or something similar? That would be a concealed weapon if I stuck it in my pocket. The thing's you're talking about are already loopholes, it's not really anything in the current bill that the petition is for, it is, however something that should be addressed, I agree with you there, but I don't believe that calls for a change of verbiage in this bill.

I would have to read the actual bill, but I thought it only applied to handguns.

[AirMax95]

You do know that to obtain a GFL you must have a thorough FBI background check. The type of people who you are referring to usually don't have a firearms license. People like me and others here with a GFL are responsible law abiding citizens. Its the person who doesn't have a license to carry and conceals a weapon anyway that I am worried about. Don't be ignorant. Do you really think that it's the law abiding citizen who has a GFL for personal protection that you should be worried about, or a criminal who posesses a firearm illegally?

While I commend the background checks, I still feel that anyone want to carry needs to have a formal firearm training class. Also, background checks don't account for the everyday idiot. I don't like the notion of a law abiding citizen playing wild wild west in public with no experience. The training should be mandatory, and part of the licensing process.

[james]

sweet will this bump up my gun stocks if this fails?

[DarwinsA32]

I signed but there are a few areas I dont like.

1. It doesnt matter how you feel about marijuana, possession of it is still a drug offense in all 50 states. If you have a conviction for that it needs to disqualify you. The same is true for a prior conviction of an illegally concealed weapon. It is still a conviction and needs to stay that way. Retroactive laws work both ways, you cannot have them working one way and not the other.

2. There needs to be a stipulation in there requiring the 4 or 8 hour weapons safety class to get the license. I know that for most gun owners it would be a waste of time, but those few people that learn anything could save some innocent bystander's life. I also believe there should be some rudimentary qualification system. Even if you have every right to carry a weapon, if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn at 25ft in a stressfree enviroment you pose a danger to others if you are armed.

3. All weapons dont need to be concealed. The law should be amended to include knives, but nothing else. A micro-uzi is not much larger than a pistol, but it should be not carried as a self defense weapon. Under this proposed version, it would alos be legal for me to wear a trenchcoat with a shotgun under it.


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I know #1 was in reference to me, as I stand now I have not been convicted... My CCW is still valid.

[BanginJimmy]

I know #1 was in reference to me, as I stand now I have not been convicted... My CCW is still valid.

It wasnt towards anyone in particular. If I wanted to personally attack you I would, it was just a simple statement of opinion.

[Brian*]

I am on felony probation so I guess I should not worry about this any way lol

[Danny]

While I commend the background checks, I still feel that anyone want to carry needs to have a formal firearm training class. Also, background checks don't account for the everyday idiot. I don't like the notion of a law abiding citizen playing wild wild west in public with no experience. The training should be mandatory, and part of the licensing process.

got to remember that the training that would be issued for free will be next to nothing. Ultimately its the users responsibility to seek true professional (multi-day) training to become somewhat decent at weapon handling and manipulations.

As much as i would love to say that all GFL/CCW holders should attend a 3day course that would be unconstitutional. Thankfully most idiots with guns end up shooting themselves on accident, in the safety of their own home or car while holstering or manipulating. I think a required 4-6 hour gun saftey class could be good, replaceable of course by a list of nationally approved trainers.

Oh and you dont like the notion of people playing wild west in public? Wake up man, every where you go there a people standing next to you with guns on them. And yet you never hear of 'billy joe normal' playing wild west in public.

Whats fun is trying to figure out who is carrying around you, now thats tricky.

[BanginJimmy]

I carry pretty much all the time. I learned how to handle a weapon in the military, but even that should not replace a formal gun handling course. I know it isnt right to force a 3 day course or anything, but a basic gun handling course is a must.

Think of it like a motorcycle safety course. Most people that I know that ride and have taken the course have said they learned something. Even the ones that have been riding for 10 years or more said they learned something.