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    Default Everyone, we are Officially Fu.Cked

    Hang on people, it just got WORSE
    NEW YORK - Stocks retreated sharply and Treasury bond prices jumped Monday as investors reacted to a stunning reshaping of the landscape of Wall Street that took out two storied names: Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Merrill Lynch & Co.


    The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 180 points, well off the drop of nearly 350 points seen in the early going.

    Stocks posted big losses in markets across much of the globe as investors absorbed bankruptcy plans at Lehman and Merrill Lynch's forced sale to Bank of America for $50 billion in stock. And perhaps most ominously, American International Group Inc. is asking the Federal Reserve for emergency funding. The world's largest insurance company plans to announce a major restructuring Monday.

    The swift developments are the biggest yet in the 14-month-old credit crises that stems from now toxic subprime mortgage debt.

    Investors are worried that trouble at AIG and the bankruptcy filing by Lehman, felled by $60 billion in bad debt and a dearth of investor confidence, will touch off another series of troubles for banks and financial institutions that may be forced to further write down the value of their own debt assets. Wall Street had been hopeful six months ago that the collapse of Bear Stearns would mark the darkest day of the credit crisis.

    But AIG's troubles a week after its stock dropped 45 percent are worrisome for some investors because of the company's enormous balance sheet and the risks that troubles with that companies finances could spill over to the companies with which it does business. AIG, one of the 30 stocks that make up the Dow industrials, fell $5.37, or 44 percent, to $6.76 Monday as investors worried that it would be the subject of downgrades from credit ratings agencies.

    Jeffrey Mortimer, chief investment officer at Charles Schwab Investment Management in San Francisco, said stocks' losses aren't steeper because the market expected Lehman would find a buyer or declare bankruptcy.

    "This is showing that this was not completely unexpected," he said, of Lehman. He added that the Merrill deal removes one possible source of concern for investors. "This may have taken a player who might have been next out of the target zone."

    In late morning trading, the Dow fell 184.99, or 1.62 percent, to 11,237.00.

    Broader stock indicators also fell. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 31.54, or 2.52 percent, to 1,220.77, and the Nasdaq composite index fell 40.50, or 1.79 percent, to 2,220.77.

    A sharp drop in oil below $100 also weighed on energy names, including several Dow components. Exxon Mobil Corp. fell $1.36, or 1.8 percent, to $76.14, while Chevron Corp. fell $2.30, or 2.7 percent, to $81.94. But consumer names like Procter & Gamble Co. rose 22 cents to $73.37 and McDonald's Corp. added 50 cents, or 0.78 percent, to $64.56.

    Light, sweet crude dropped $4.53 to $96.65 on the New York Mercantile Exchange after damage to Gulf of Mexico oil infrastructure from Hurricane Ike was less than investors feared. Worries about a slower economy have also weighed on oil prices in recent weeks. Oil is down sharply from its mid-July highs when it hit a record over $147 a barrel.

    Despite the pullback in oil, prices at the gas pump rose above $5 per gallon in some parts of the country Sunday after Ike left some the nation's refining capacity inoperable.

    Investors will be watching to see whether the Dow moves below the 11,000 mark, a level it hasn't traded and closed under since mid-July. The S&P 500 last tested the 1,200 level in mid-July.

    Bond prices surged as investors fled to the security of government debt. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which moves opposite its price, plunged to 3.56 percent from 3.72 percent late Friday. The dollar was lower against other major currencies, while gold prices rose.

    Investors did have some more solid footing than they might have predicted at the end of last week, when Lehman's troubles and those of AIG weighed on the markets. A global consortium of banks, working alongside government officials in New York, announced a $70 billion pool of funds to lend to troubled financial companies.

    And the deal for Merrill Lynch pays a 70 percent premium to the brokerage's closing price Friday. The stock has been squeezed in recent weeks, leading many Wall Street veterans to point to the company as the next behind Lehman as likely to run into trouble with bearish investors and get hit by intensified selling. The deal to pair the company with Bank of America, a huge bank with a big asset base, removes some of the worries about Merrill would be the next to fall.

    Merrill rose $4.51, or 26 percent, to $21.56, while Bank of America fell $4.66, or 14 percent, to $29.08.

    Although Monday's selling wasn't as steep as expected, many market observers have said for months that a cathartic sell-off is necessary for Wall Street to purge its worries over bad debt and the tight credit conditions that have hobbled the economy. They reason that a scare and subsequent sell-off in the markets could establish conditions for a market bottom to form.

    "This is sort of groundbreaking type stuff," said Scott Fullman, director of derivatives investment strategy for WJB Capital Group in New York.

    Fullman, who has worked on Wall Street for 29 years, noted that the Dow industrials contain companies, such as retailers like Wal-Mart Stores Inc. that could help cushion some of the selling in the financial sector. Wal-Mart fell 40 cents to $62.01, while Coca-Cola Co. rose 31 cents to $54.81.

    "While they might get hit hard they won't get hit as hard," he said.

    But even good news like a drop in oil and some resolution to fears about Merrill couldn't prevent widespread selling. Markets in Tokyo and several other Asian money centers were closed for holidays. Britain's FTSE 100 fell 3.95 percent, Germany's DAX index lost 3.17 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 3.64 percent. The European Central Bank, the Bank of England, and the Swiss central bank stepped in an attempt to calm markets by making more short-term credit available to banks.

    The reduced headcount of Wall Street firms Monday left Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley as the remaining big, independent firms. The two are slated to report quarterly results Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively.

    The shake up comes only a week after the government bailed out mortgage lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and ahead of sizable economic developments this week. The Fed is expected to make a decision on interest rates on Tuesday.

    Declining issues outnumbered advancers by about 5 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 434.1 million shares.

    The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 8.88, or 1.23 percent, to 711.38.
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    WALL OF TEXT

    Cliffs?

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    Itll be interesting to see what GOldman Sachs comes out with on Tues/Wed, pray its something good cause if they tank, we are in for one WILD ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    WALL OF TEXT

    Cliffs?
    Two of the BIGGEST financial firms Merril Lynch and Lehman Brothers are BROKE, Filed Bankruptcy, sold to BOA

    Looming is AIG possibly going under soon as they are asking for bailout money.


    All because of the housing crisis
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    Our economy is really struggling. Seems like another great depression...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    Two of the BIGGEST financial firms Merril Lynch and Lehman Brothers are BROKE, Filed Bankruptcy, sold to BOA
    Ah, well that sucks I guess. What exactly does this mean for the average joe?

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    Yeah I was reading about that over the weekend, Only good thing out of that so far I see is its causing oil to plummit, But this will royally screw with the economy if they all go under.
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    I guess this is when sh!t and a fan would appear in the story



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Ah, well that sucks I guess. What exactly does this mean for the average joe?
    what it means is that the BIGGEST FINANCIAL FIRMS in the country, some could be the world, are going broke.

    This means that investors are selling off stocks like crazy, investor confidence is down, etce tc etc

    THe stock market is plummeting, it means there is still no end in sight for the housing crises.

    Expect the economy to get worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Phoenix
    I guess this is when sh!t and a fan would appear in the story
    LOL

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    i just saw it on teh news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    what it means is that the BIGGEST FINANCIAL FIRMS in the country, some could be the world, are going broke.

    This means that investors are selling off stocks like crazy, investor confidence is down, etce tc etc

    ...

    Expect the economy to get worse.
    Again, what exactly does this mean for the average joe? I, personally, don't give two squats about the stock market, the national debt, or anything like that. If it doesn't affect me personally, I don't care. So with that in mind, is this going to be bothering me any?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    THe stock market is plummeting, it means there is still no end in sight for the housing crises.
    Well, from what I gather, that just means it's becoming more of a buyer's market. That's good news for me. lol

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    Ehh, my financials dropped maybe all of 5% this morning, maybe a little more. I think its more of a panic effect than something to be concerned about.

    Better yet.. we should be rejoicing this is happening, it means the financial sector is bottoming out and things are getting ready to take a turn for the better. If you were going to start investing, now would be a good time.

    BTW, the financial sector looks good for the future. The failures we are seeing now is the residual effect of what has been happening for the past four years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    Ehh, my financials dropped maybe all of 5% this morning, maybe a little more. I think its more of a panic effect than something to be concerned about.

    Better yet.. we should be rejoicing this is happening, it means the financial sector is bottoming out and things are getting ready to take a turn for the better. If you were going to start investing, now would be a good time.

    BTW, the financial sector looks good for the future. The failures we are seeing now is the residual effect of what has been happening for the past 14 months
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    Its just going to be a wild ride with these major financial firms going under which is the backbone of wallstreet, but then we have the oil problems too.

    Im not panicking yet, and i agree Tony you have to hit bottom before you can recover, question is are we there yet?
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    this is why i dont invest in stocks.. especially right now . i knew about this yesterday.

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    you should be investing now, they are DOWN you buy low sell high.

    Just be carefull what you purchase
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    Obama blames the current administration, McCain says things are fundamentally sound... believe it or not I side with McCain on this one.

    People knew Lehman was in trouble, they were just waiting on the government to step in and bail them out but it never happened. AIG is kind of in the same situation but some of these companies have to fail.. the taxpayers cannot come to their rescue especially when there are banks that are restructuring and making the necessary changes to be profitable in the future.

    This thing will subside, but it wont do it until the market corrects itself and that is whats happening. The stock market is not taboo, I bought into banks that had strong numbers but were being punished because of companies like Indymac falling apart and my return on investment has been about 125%.. research and come up with a good strategy and you'll find that things arent THAT bad.

    Watch Jim Cramer's Mad Money on CNBC.. its going to be a really good show today.

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    well according to my iphone everything is in the red. so that cant be good.lol

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    So does anyone have any good stock tips right now? I've got about 2k that has been sitting in Ameritrade doing nothing for a few months now and it needs a new home. I'm currently only invested in one company and it didn't take that much of a beating in light of recent events.

    PS, if this shouldn't be in the "Wallstreet" section, I don't know what should

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    holy shiit.

    *packs bags and moves to Canada*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deke
    So does anyone have any good stock tips right now?
    Watch Jim Cramer's Mad Money on CNBC.. its going to be a really good show today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deke
    So does anyone have any good stock tips right now? I've got about 2k that has been sitting in Ameritrade doing nothing for a few months now and it needs a new home. I'm currently only invested in one company and it didn't take that much of a beating in light of recent events.

    PS, if this shouldn't be in the "Wallstreet" section, I don't know what should
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    Quote Originally Posted by GKtib®
    holy shiit.

    *packs bags and moves to Canada*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Ah, well that sucks I guess. What exactly does this mean for the average joe?
    Average Joe? I'm not average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EM1toEVO
    Our economy is really struggling. Seems like another great depression...
    uh yeah.....let me know when i have to start lining up for government funded bread ok?

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    Bush did it.

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    So that'd give me more time to buy the houses and stuff before things picking up. Interesting change nevertheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GKtib®
    holy shiit.

    *packs bags and moves to Canada*
    I'm right there with you man! Free healthcare for the muthafucckking win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flak_monkey
    I'm right there with you man! Free healthcare for the muthafucckking win!
    Not to mention higher taxes, long waits for healthcare, and worst of all... French Canadians.


    Have at it. I will ride out this "depression" that apparently Bush is solely responsible for , and I will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nreggie454
    Not to mention higher taxes, long waits for healthcare, and worst of all... French Canadians.


    Have at it. I will ride out this "depression" that apparently Bush is solely responsible for , and I will be fine.
    Truth.

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    And you all want Mcain president...ha

    America will never get better.

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    you say it got worse but for those wanting to buy stocks this is GREAT

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    We are all fuked. Greddy is filing bankruptcy too..What tha fuk are we going to do? What can we do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    what it means is that the BIGGEST FINANCIAL FIRMS in the country, some could be the world, are going broke.

    This means that investors are selling off stocks like crazy, investor confidence is down, etce tc etc

    THe stock market is plummeting, it means there is still no end in sight for the housing crises.

    Expect the economy to get worse.
    Lets not spread silly information please, sure investors are selling off stock, but its mostly coming out of the financials, not all stocks. Down 180 points, and being decently above the 11k mark on the Dow, is not plummeting. The economy will be fine.
    Last edited by ironchef; 09-15-2008 at 06:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Motion
    We are all fuked. Greddy is filing bankruptcy too..What tha fuk are we going to do? What can we do?
    Trust filed for bankruptcy protection in Japan. Greddy Performance Parts of America is just fine.

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    Kidd you are way off. Your lunacy and false sense of conditions is EXACTLY what is causing a lot of the consumer confidence problems that are slowing our economy today. The fact that these banks were in dire straights is no new news. Anybody that follows anything aside from headlines has known this. Poor lending policies caused this. In all likelihood this will have very little to no effect on the average guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green91
    Kidd you are way off. Your lunacy and false sense of conditions is EXACTLY what is causing a lot of the consumer confidence problems that are slowing our economy today. The fact that these banks were in dire straights is no new news. Anybody that follows anything aside from headlines has known this. Poor lending policies caused this. In all likelihood this will have very little to no effect on the average guy.
    w00t, someone with a brain.

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    We're not f.ucked.

    Those Insurance companies will be fine, ask me how I know.
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    lol okay so your butt hurt no lmao that great i wasn't bashing you lol what a dumbass.

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    this is why voting this election is a must

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