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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    Lets not spread silly information please, sure investors are selling off stock, but its mostly coming out of the financials, not all stocks. Down 180 points, and being decently above the 11k mark on the Dow, is not plummeting. The economy will be fine.
    Last time I checked Dow was down 500 points today. And ROFL at the people that think we are close to rock bottom. Things are just going to get worst. And are people truely dumb enough to blame our economy solely on our president, or our government for that matter. This has stemmed from the bubble popping, I mean did all these banks and mortgage companies seriously think giving a loan to anyone and everyone for more then they could afford was going to last forever?. One last thing, this recession effects everyone, just some in smaller ways then others, so dont be so ignorant to say that our economical situation doesnt effect you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    this is why voting this election is a must

    because Obama is gonna wave his magic wand over the economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by green91
    Kidd you are way off. Your lunacy and false sense of conditions is EXACTLY what is causing a lot of the consumer confidence problems that are slowing our economy today. The fact that these banks were in dire straights is no new news. Anybody that follows anything aside from headlines has known this. Poor lending policies caused this. In all likelihood this will have very little to no effect on the average guy.
    ^ Is this a serious post...?

    Last time I checked recessions effect everyone. Do realize how many jobs have been lost in the last year from the housing crisis, and yes, average joe jobs. What fantasy world do you live in? Can i go there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6.0GTO
    Last time I checked Dow was down 500 points today. And ROFL at the people that think we are close to rock bottom. Things are just going to get worst. And are people truely dumb enough to blame our economy solely on our president, or our government for that matter. This has stemmed from the bubble popping, I mean did all these banks and mortgage companies seriously think giving a loan to anyone and everyone for more then they could afford was going to last forever?. One last thing, this recession effects everyone, just some in smaller ways then others, so dont be so ignorant to say that our economical situation doesnt effect you.
    When I checked it around 2, it was down like 180 something. I didn't see the close. Oh well, it doesn't make that much of a difference, you'll see a rebound not to long from now.

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    320 points doesn't make a difference huh. You expect the market to be up tomorrow? You don't follow the stock market much do you Ironchef?

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    this is why voting this election is a must
    hell yeah...


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    Quote Originally Posted by 6.0GTO
    320 points doesn't make a difference huh. You expect the market to be up tomorrow? You don't follow the stock market much do you Ironchef?
    No I don't expect it to be up tomorrow. I didn't say it would rebound tomorrow now did I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6.0GTO
    Last time I checked Dow was down 500 points today. And ROFL at the people that think we are close to rock bottom. Things are just going to get worst. And are people truely dumb enough to blame our economy solely on our president, or our government for that matter. This has stemmed from the bubble popping, I mean did all these banks and mortgage companies seriously think giving a loan to anyone and everyone for more then they could afford was going to last forever?. One last thing, this recession effects everyone, just some in smaller ways then others, so dont be so ignorant to say that our economical situation doesnt effect you.

    Do you invest in stock?

    Edit: Better yet do you have an understanding of economics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AznTraitor
    because Obama is gonna wave his magic wand over the economy?

    x2 what is he really going to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by green91
    Kidd you are way off. Your lunacy and false sense of conditions is EXACTLY what is causing a lot of the consumer confidence problems that are slowing our economy today. The fact that these banks were in dire straights is no new news. Anybody that follows anything aside from headlines has known this. Poor lending policies caused this. In all likelihood this will have very little to no effect on the average guy.
    NO ****!

    DOw down 500 points, Big Time lenders are going bankrupt or going out of business. Not effect the average joe? are you INSANE?

    You do realize that these companies are the BACKBONE of the financial district on wall street? WIth them collapsing its going to trickle down to everything else.

    Lets see
    Retail sales down 80% last month
    Dow below 11,000 first time since 9-11
    504 down today alone
    Merrill Lynch, Lehman, AIG all going into bankruptcy or being bought out

    We though we saw the bottom 4 months ago, we were wrong.

    This is BAD NEWS buddy, for EVERYONE from the Joe Schmoe to the Rich guy.

    Lets hope for a huge rebound.

    If we crash at 10,000 we will be ok, if we crash at 7000-8000, god help us. The election is the least of our worries.

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    Why does everyone keep saying something about Obama and a magical wave stick. The admin was just stressing the importance to voting this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by admin
    this is why voting this election is a must

    @ McCain supporters


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    Neither Mccain nor Obama have the answer for this, sorry.

    This is pure greed from the Mortgage Companies and speculators.

    They put all their eggs in one basket and it backfired
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    NO ****!

    DOw down 500 points, Big Time lenders are going bankrupt or going out of business. Not effect the average joe? are you INSANE?

    You do realize that these companies are the BACKBONE of the financial district on wall street? WIth them collapsing its going to trickle down to everything else.

    Lets see
    Retail sales down 80% last month
    Dow below 11,000 first time since 9-11
    504 down today alone
    Merrill Lynch, Lehman, AIG all going into bankruptcy or being bought out

    We though we saw the bottom 4 months ago, we were wrong.

    This is BAD NEWS buddy, for EVERYONE from the Joe Schmoe to the Rich guy.

    Lets hope for a huge rebound.

    If we crash at 10,000 we will be ok, if we crash at 7000-8000, god help us. The election is the least of our worries.

    Lunacy, LOL
    Dude, where the **** do you get your information from?

    First off, retail sales weren't down 80% last month, try 0.3%
    See here, http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited...fx5417061.html

    Second, the Dow has gone below 11,000 atleast 10 times since 9-11 (maybe even more, but I don't feel like checking all the historical quotes). All of them have been very brief too.

    All of Merril's, Lehman, and potentially AIG's assets will be transferred to other stronger companies, so it isn't as doom and gloom as you propose.

    EDIT - Just cause I was curious, post 9-11 the Dow was below 11k up until early 2006, and then a couple times after that. So, thats nothing new.

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    Ahem im sorry i typed too fast

    Dow to the lowest level since 9-11

    Dow had biggest drop since openieng after 9-11

    And i was wrong on my Retail Sales figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef

    All of Merril's, Lehman, and potentially AIG's assets will be transferred to other stronger companies, so it isn't as doom and gloom as you propose.
    Or so we think..........
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    im far from one to be typing in this discussion but i was listening to clark howard today and he also said that the companies assets that filed bankruptcy would be transferred to stronger companies. pretty much i think he was saying the initial shock of the companies filing bankruptcy would affect the economy but once everything is settled in at the "new homes" so to speak everything will be fine.

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    [QUOTE=twinj]Why does everyone keep saying something about Obama and a magical wave stick. The admin was just stressing the importance to voting this year.


    Yes, voting is VERY important. I vote every election, but I do not think that voting for ANY one person will make all of this go away. Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't see it. People panic and cause this stuff to get worse than it is.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTEC
    im far from one to be typing in this discussion but i was listening to clark howard today and he also said that the companies assets that filed bankruptcy would be transferred to stronger companies. pretty much i think he was saying the initial shock of the companies filing bankruptcy would affect the economy but once everything is settled in at the "new homes" so to speak everything will be fine.

    Clark Howard is a very wise man, I agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTEC
    im far from one to be typing in this discussion but i was listening to clark howard today and he also said that the companies assets that filed bankruptcy would be transferred to stronger companies. pretty much i think he was saying the initial shock of the companies filing bankruptcy would affect the economy but once everything is settled in at the "new homes" so to speak everything will be fine.
    I gotta go with Clark on this one. Youd be stupid to speak out against him when it comes to consumer reports/finances. Thats like telling Chuck Norris you can out roundhouse kick him.

    Anywho, I hope this is all just initial shock, and things pan out, hopefully sooner than later. It all makes sense, yeah these companies are going under, but its all in due time. Once the stronger companies take over, everything should level back out.

    Where is Clinton when you need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by candy2082002
    People panic and cause this stuff to get worse than it is.........
    MY POINT EXACTLY!!

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    People are still wrong about the Insurance Companies.

    Ask me how I know

    I'll give you a hint, it's a pool, but you don't swim in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by jerseyef9
    lol okay so your butt hurt no lmao that great i wasn't bashing you lol what a dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydroshutter
    People are still wrong about the Insurance Companies.

    Ask me how I know

    I'll give you a hint, it's a pool, but you don't swim in it.
    Why dont you just say what u know and quit hinting? :english:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTEC
    Why dont you just say what u know and quit hinting? :english:
    I practically gave it away when I mentioned "pool". The Insurance Insolvency pool is for Insurance Companies who are on the verge of Bankruptcy or similar. Other companies and the states of which those are involved will help out the company.

    It's quite interesting to read

    I've worked with two companies who were in similar situations as AIG and ML, and currently work for the by-product of another company that bought out these other two aformentioned companies.
    Quote Originally Posted by jerseyef9
    lol okay so your butt hurt no lmao that great i wasn't bashing you lol what a dumbass.

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    It's almost 11:20, I'm watching CNBC right now, and I see no Jim Cramer. What gives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydroshutter
    I practically gave it away when I mentioned "pool". The Insurance Insolvency pool is for Insurance Companies who are on the verge of Bankruptcy or similar. Other companies and the states of which those are involved will help out the company.

    It's quite interesting to read

    I've worked with two companies who were in similar situations as AIG and ML, and currently work for the by-product of another company that bought out these other two aformentioned companies.
    oh ok. gotcha.

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    This just brings up a big problem in America. And, that is a lack of proper, useful education. You don't learn anything about real world finances/stock markets/insurance insolvency pools in school (unless its a higher level college course). Instead we waste 12 years going over when Columbus found America (1492, thanks for repeating that fact for 12 years in grade school, I didn't understand it the first 11 times), even though he really didn't. Sighs....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    This just brings up a big problem in America. And, that is a lack of proper, useful education. You don't learn anything about real world finances/stock markets/insurance insolvency pools in school (unless its a higher level college course). Instead we waste 12 years going over when Columbus found America (1492, thanks for repeating that fact for 12 years in grade school, I didn't understand it the first 11 times), even though he really didn't. Sighs....
    People hear something like this and run with it without doing some research. This is the lazy demographic we have grown into
    Quote Originally Posted by jerseyef9
    lol okay so your butt hurt no lmao that great i wasn't bashing you lol what a dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    This just brings up a big problem in America. And, that is a lack of proper, useful education. You don't learn anything about real world finances/stock markets/insurance insolvency pools in school (unless its a higher level college course). Instead we waste 12 years going over when Columbus found America (1492, thanks for repeating that fact for 12 years in grade school, I didn't understand it the first 11 times), even though he really didn't. Sighs....
    i do agree with this

    Even now i get lost reading about Wall Street sometimes, its like a black art that only CERTAIN people know about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    i do agree with this

    Even now i get lost reading about Wall Street sometimes, its like a black art that only CERTAIN people know about
    exactly. lol!!!

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    You think so, eh? OK, check out this MSN article and the parts I bolded:

    http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/Inve...mentid=9637816

    Warning: Worldwide wipeout ahead

    Think U.S. stocks are on a life raft? Look around the globe, where seas are much rougher. This is serious, folks. Brace for a brutal riptide of more economic upheaval.

    By Jon Markman
    August 22, 2008

    It barely seems possible that anyone is more pessimistic about corporate earnings prospects than American shareholders right now, with the U.S. stock market down almost 15% for the year and the banking system coming unglued before everyone's eyes.

    Yet if you take a moment to look around the world, you may be surprised to learn that U.S. stocks are the picture of health compared with their counterparts worldwide. And measured against the gloom in bonds, U.S. stocks are like a sunny day in spring.

    Time to gloat? Not on your life. For if there's one thing we know about global markets these days, it's that they seldom diverge for long. So while it might be tempting to look with pity at investors across the seas and in other asset classes, it's more likely that U.S. equities will plunge than that foreign equities will float higher toward our perch.

    Just spin a globe to see a few examples from the world of truly Olympian value destruction:

    * The British stock market has been harried down the rabbit hole to the tune of 22%, or about half again as bad as we have it. Blame energy, banking and telecoms, because those are the downside leaders for the Europeans, particularly basket cases such as wireless giant Vodaphone Group (VOD.N), down 30%, and Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS.N), down 44%.

    * The French market is also une grandestinque-bombe, down 22%, led by energy and banks. The Belgian market is worse, down 30%, with Germany down 24%, Austria down 23%, the Netherlands down 21% and Spain down 23%.

    * Elsewhere on the Continent, the news does not improve. Sweden is off 23%, Russia is down 23%, Turkey is down 25%, and Greece is down 36%.

    * How about Asia, the crown jewel of global growth? It's a wet noodle. The Chinese market is down 31%, South Korea is down 27%, once-hot Malaysia is down 29%, and India is down 43%. The best in the region are down half as much but still a lot, as Japan has lost 16% of its value this year. Taiwan is off 14%, Australia is off 21%, and Singapore is down 19%.

    * And Latin America, that bastion of energy, metals and grains? Well, the bear market in Brazil has only just begun; it is down just 12% so far after being up as much as 22% in mid-May. Mexico is hanging in there at 5%, probably propped up by the narco-trafficking biz. But Argentina has fared a lot worse, sinking 20%.

    Most of the European and Asian countries' biggest companies are banks that have suffered the same fate as U.S. financial institutions. Gullible and desperate for income at a time of record-low yields in the mid-2000s, they were suckered by Wall Street investment banks into borrowing to the hilt to buy high-yielding mortgage-backed securities that were mislabelled as high-quality, low-risk investments.

    It takes only a 4% loss to wipe out your capital when you're at leverage levels of 30-to-1 -- a measure of how much capital you have at risk compared with how much capital you have before borrowing -- as many banks around the world were. And add to that a crash in metal and energy prices in the past two months, plus a slowdown in industrial growth, and you have a conflagration of capital that knows no borders.


    The global dominoes fall
    You need read only a single day's worth of headlines to gather that a global, synchronized economic wipeout is under way. On Aug. 18, Bloomberg reported that:

    * French manufacturing confidence fell in July to the lowest level in five years.

    * New Zealand's services industry contracted in July for the fourth straight month.

    * Sales at Japanese department stores fell in July for the fifth straight month.

    * Singapore's overseas shipments dropped in July for the third straight month as companies shipped fewer electronics and drugs to customers in the West.

    In many places, a perfect wave of growth has reversed into a brutal riptide. Indian information-technology companies such as Cognizant Technology Solutions (CTSH.O) and Wipro (WIT.N) swelled in importance by helping U.S. companies fix the "millennium bug" in the late 1990s and then went on to grow at 40%-plus rates as the tech outsourcing fad exploded.

    Now, The Wall Street Journal reported this week, the Western credit crunch and capital expenditure slowdown have sapped sales, and the cheaper U.S. dollar has shrunk Indian tech company profits. At the same time, rising labour costs have permitted competition to emerge in lower-cost countries in Eastern Europe and the Philippines. The big Indian tech companies' shares are down 30% in the past 10 months versus a negative 18% for U.S. techs.

    Meanwhile, fear has gripped corporate bond investors by the throat in ways that make stocks' problems look tame. Surely you remember bonds, those widows-and-orphans instruments that were once considered the market's equivalent of a boring IOU, paying a percentage point or two above U.S. Treasurys? Well, now many are trading like penny stocks.

    You can call your broker to buy debt by the mortgage unit of blue-chip GMAC Financing at crash-landing prices that would give you a 50% annualized rate of return over the next three months when they mature in November. Or perhaps you'd prefer bonds of privately held plastics giant Pliant that mature in September 2009 and are going for 45%. Or bonds of car-parts maker Dayton Superior (DSUP.O) that mature in June 2009 for a yield of 40%. Or maybe Washington Mutual (WM.N) bonds maturing in January that trade around 35%.

    I could go on and on. Credit analyst Brian Reynolds has sent clients a list of 60 major companies with bonds maturing over the next 12 months that trade with yields over 10% at a time when the U.S. federal funds rate is at 2%, adding in a note: "And these are just the bonds that have been able to trade!"

    The Merrill Lynch Corporate Master Index, which tracks the performance of investment-grade-rated corporate bonds, shows 72 of them trading in "distressed" condition, or more than 10 percentage points over U.S. Treasurys -- 28 of them issued by banks such as regional giants National City (NCC.N) and Washington Mutual. That means corporate bankruptcies are virtually inevitable over the next 18 months. Chris Whalen, the managing director of Institutional Risk Analytics, has told Dow Jones Newswires that he expects 110 banks with $850 billion in assets to fail by next July, which is eight times the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s reserves.

    A spate of bankruptcies of this breadth is incompatible with a rising stock market even if the next president gets in front of the problem by creating a new government entity that buys failed banks, much like the Resolution Trust Corp., which closed 747 thrifts starting in 1989. So either the pessimistic credit guys and global-equity investors are terribly wrong right now, or the relatively optimistic U.S. equity investors are wrong. They can't both be right, as both depend on assessments of global earnings potential, with small variation for currency values.

    Since credit has led the recent cycle down, and since the rest of the world's vote is overwhelming, I think we have to give a nod to the pessimists this time. The latest bounce should persist a little longer, but once the Dow Jones industrials ($US:INDU) climb to around 12,000 by early fall, watch out below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
    You think so, eh? OK, check out this MSN article and the parts I bolded:

    http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/Inve...mentid=9637816

    Warning: Worldwide wipeout ahead

    Think U.S. stocks are on a life raft? Look around the globe, where seas are much rougher. This is serious, folks. Brace for a brutal riptide of more economic upheaval.

    By Jon Markman
    August 22, 2008

    It barely seems possible that anyone is more pessimistic about corporate earnings prospects than American shareholders right now, with the U.S. stock market down almost 15% for the year and the banking system coming unglued before everyone's eyes.

    Yet if you take a moment to look around the world, you may be surprised to learn that U.S. stocks are the picture of health compared with their counterparts worldwide. And measured against the gloom in bonds, U.S. stocks are like a sunny day in spring.

    Time to gloat? Not on your life. For if there's one thing we know about global markets these days, it's that they seldom diverge for long. So while it might be tempting to look with pity at investors across the seas and in other asset classes, it's more likely that U.S. equities will plunge than that foreign equities will float higher toward our perch.

    Just spin a globe to see a few examples from the world of truly Olympian value destruction:

    * The British stock market has been harried down the rabbit hole to the tune of 22%, or about half again as bad as we have it. Blame energy, banking and telecoms, because those are the downside leaders for the Europeans, particularly basket cases such as wireless giant Vodaphone Group (VOD.N), down 30%, and Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS.N), down 44%.

    * The French market is also une grandestinque-bombe, down 22%, led by energy and banks. The Belgian market is worse, down 30%, with Germany down 24%, Austria down 23%, the Netherlands down 21% and Spain down 23%.

    * Elsewhere on the Continent, the news does not improve. Sweden is off 23%, Russia is down 23%, Turkey is down 25%, and Greece is down 36%.

    * How about Asia, the crown jewel of global growth? It's a wet noodle. The Chinese market is down 31%, South Korea is down 27%, once-hot Malaysia is down 29%, and India is down 43%. The best in the region are down half as much but still a lot, as Japan has lost 16% of its value this year. Taiwan is off 14%, Australia is off 21%, and Singapore is down 19%.

    * And Latin America, that bastion of energy, metals and grains? Well, the bear market in Brazil has only just begun; it is down just 12% so far after being up as much as 22% in mid-May. Mexico is hanging in there at 5%, probably propped up by the narco-trafficking biz. But Argentina has fared a lot worse, sinking 20%.

    Most of the European and Asian countries' biggest companies are banks that have suffered the same fate as U.S. financial institutions. Gullible and desperate for income at a time of record-low yields in the mid-2000s, they were suckered by Wall Street investment banks into borrowing to the hilt to buy high-yielding mortgage-backed securities that were mislabelled as high-quality, low-risk investments.

    It takes only a 4% loss to wipe out your capital when you're at leverage levels of 30-to-1 -- a measure of how much capital you have at risk compared with how much capital you have before borrowing -- as many banks around the world were. And add to that a crash in metal and energy prices in the past two months, plus a slowdown in industrial growth, and you have a conflagration of capital that knows no borders.


    The global dominoes fall
    You need read only a single day's worth of headlines to gather that a global, synchronized economic wipeout is under way. On Aug. 18, Bloomberg reported that:

    * French manufacturing confidence fell in July to the lowest level in five years.

    * New Zealand's services industry contracted in July for the fourth straight month.

    * Sales at Japanese department stores fell in July for the fifth straight month.

    * Singapore's overseas shipments dropped in July for the third straight month as companies shipped fewer electronics and drugs to customers in the West.

    In many places, a perfect wave of growth has reversed into a brutal riptide. Indian information-technology companies such as Cognizant Technology Solutions (CTSH.O) and Wipro (WIT.N) swelled in importance by helping U.S. companies fix the "millennium bug" in the late 1990s and then went on to grow at 40%-plus rates as the tech outsourcing fad exploded.

    Now, The Wall Street Journal reported this week, the Western credit crunch and capital expenditure slowdown have sapped sales, and the cheaper U.S. dollar has shrunk Indian tech company profits. At the same time, rising labour costs have permitted competition to emerge in lower-cost countries in Eastern Europe and the Philippines. The big Indian tech companies' shares are down 30% in the past 10 months versus a negative 18% for U.S. techs.

    Meanwhile, fear has gripped corporate bond investors by the throat in ways that make stocks' problems look tame. Surely you remember bonds, those widows-and-orphans instruments that were once considered the market's equivalent of a boring IOU, paying a percentage point or two above U.S. Treasurys? Well, now many are trading like penny stocks.

    You can call your broker to buy debt by the mortgage unit of blue-chip GMAC Financing at crash-landing prices that would give you a 50% annualized rate of return over the next three months when they mature in November. Or perhaps you'd prefer bonds of privately held plastics giant Pliant that mature in September 2009 and are going for 45%. Or bonds of car-parts maker Dayton Superior (DSUP.O) that mature in June 2009 for a yield of 40%. Or maybe Washington Mutual (WM.N) bonds maturing in January that trade around 35%.

    I could go on and on. Credit analyst Brian Reynolds has sent clients a list of 60 major companies with bonds maturing over the next 12 months that trade with yields over 10% at a time when the U.S. federal funds rate is at 2%, adding in a note: "And these are just the bonds that have been able to trade!"

    The Merrill Lynch Corporate Master Index, which tracks the performance of investment-grade-rated corporate bonds, shows 72 of them trading in "distressed" condition, or more than 10 percentage points over U.S. Treasurys -- 28 of them issued by banks such as regional giants National City (NCC.N) and Washington Mutual. That means corporate bankruptcies are virtually inevitable over the next 18 months. Chris Whalen, the managing director of Institutional Risk Analytics, has told Dow Jones Newswires that he expects 110 banks with $850 billion in assets to fail by next July, which is eight times the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.'s reserves.

    A spate of bankruptcies of this breadth is incompatible with a rising stock market even if the next president gets in front of the problem by creating a new government entity that buys failed banks, much like the Resolution Trust Corp., which closed 747 thrifts starting in 1989. So either the pessimistic credit guys and global-equity investors are terribly wrong right now, or the relatively optimistic U.S. equity investors are wrong. They can't both be right, as both depend on assessments of global earnings potential, with small variation for currency values.

    Since credit has led the recent cycle down, and since the rest of the world's vote is overwhelming, I think we have to give a nod to the pessimists this time. The latest bounce should persist a little longer, but once the Dow Jones industrials ($US:INDU) climb to around 12,000 by early fall, watch out below.
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    I think it is bit unreasonable to think that we are going to be ok. Atleast not anytime soon. Tiny bubbles did pop in the past, which might be the reason why some of you might think this is just another one of those phase and everything will be back to normal. Unfortunately this is bigger bubble, possibly biggest that have been building for decades. When the bubble burst and US economy finally hit rock bottom, then we can truely decide where we stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
    but i thought it was all Bushs fault?
    not all, he is clearly part of the problem with all his buddies in power.

    The funny thing is CLINTON passed this.....which really helped spur banker bullcrap... I am bi-partisan, I call it as I see it.

    The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 blurred the distinction between banks, brokerages and insurance companies. The law repealed major sections of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law passed in 1932 to keep financial institutions from consolidating their reach.
    As a result of the 1999 law, banks may acquire, establish or affiliate with brokerages and insurance companies to offer customers a wider range of financial services and products. In addition to loans and deposits, banks today offer brokerage accounts, insurance, annuities and other retirement investments. Because of their newfound reach, some of the largest of these institutions are referred to as bank supermarkets.
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    Anyone who seriously thinks whats going on in our economy right now is not something to deeply consider and fear is a waste to even argue with. You people are out of touch and Ignorant to economics, stocks and bonds, mortgage industry and how it works and who it all effects, the credit crunch, how thousands of homes going into foreclosure lowers the value of your home(which in most cases is a families biggest asset/investment), etc etc etc....You people are a waste to argue with, Mr. kidd and 1sicklex seem to have a touch on reality. And if any of you think either McCain or Obama can save our economy, just do the world a favor and kill yourself. The government cant save us, the market/economy will eventually correct itself after a very long time, which wont start until we see a bottom.

    Side note - There has been talk of Wachovia going under aswell.

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    This just in


    Goldman Sachs (GS: 122.07, -13.43, -9.91%) reported its worst quarterly results since going public and crude oil prices nearly tumbled below $90 a barrel

    The markets weren't helped by Goldman Sachs (GS: 121.90, -13.60, -10.03%), which reported its worst quarter since going public in 1999. The firm at 85 Broad St., one of just two remaining independent investment banks, saw its third-quarter profit plunge 71% to $810 million.

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    If you bank with WAMU like i do

    Washington Mutual (WM: 1.82, -0.18, -9.00%) hasn't been able to stop the onslaught of selling in its shares, opening down nearly 20%. WaMu, the nation's largest savings-and-loan, suffered another setback late Monday after Standard & Poor's slashed the bank's credit ratings into junk status. Shares of WaMu have plummeted 85% so far this year.

    Hewlett-Packard (HPQ: 45.99, +0.66, +1.45%) plans to slash 24,600 jobs over the next three years and take a $1.7 billion charge, as a result of the company's $13.2 billion merger with Educational Data Systems, commonly known as EDS.
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    Wall Street Section is that way ---------->

    Can a mod move this?

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    Okay, I am the village idiot when it comes to this.

    Anyone think now would be a good time to throw an investment together? In hopes of making mad money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ran
    Wall Street Section is that way ---------->

    Can a mod move this?
    Why? More people need to be aware of the situation going on in the financial markets, compared to the useless bullsh1t pbs, and the rest of the tards in the whoreslounge spend the day posting.

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