Is it ok for ANYONE to use the "N" Word

[Tiff-O-Bitties]

My Take:

Unless you have lived the life of a black person. You will never truly understand why the N-bomb makes some cringe.

Unless you have lived life as a latino. You will never understand what its like to risk your life crossing the border into this country to try and "make it" in order to send some money back to your family. (I work with a lot of latinos and grew up with it all we have also lost a few here at my job who were shot when they were trying to come back.)

Unless you have lived life as a mixed race person. You will never understand how it feels to not be accepted from either side because you are not "full blood"

Unless you have lived your life as an immigrant. You will never understand how it feels to have everyone consider you an "intruder" to the country.

This is all much bigger then just the N-bomb. It extends way further then that. People just need to grow up and show a little respect and realise that just because there "boundries" that should not be crossed. Does not mean that their damn constitutional rights to freedom of speech is being violated. Are there stereotypes. Yes. There is also a thing called culture which is where that all spawns from. People Need realize thats its not the end of the world because they shouldn't flaunt some words. I little respect is not going to hurt anyone.

And UNTIL you've lived your life as a white person, caucasion, wtfever... You'll never understand what it's like to be made out to be a racist, a rich kid, upper class citizen or anything other name that other races give to whites. It's a two way street.

[Sport1.3]

My Take:

Unless you have lived the life of a black person. You will never truly understand why the N-bomb makes some cringe.

Unless you have lived life as a latino. You will never understand what its like to risk your life crossing the border into this country to try and "make it" in order to send some money back to your family. (I work with a lot of latinos and grew up with it all we have also lost a few here at my job who were shot when they were trying to come back.)

Unless you have lived life as a mixed race person. You will never understand how it feels to not be accepted from either side because you are not "full blood"

Unless you have lived your life as an immigrant. You will never understand how it feels to have everyone consider you an "intruder" to the country.

This is all much bigger then just the N-bomb. It extends way further then that. People just need to grow up and show a little respect and realise that just because there "boundries" that should not be crossed. Does not mean that their damn constitutional rights to freedom of speech is being violated. Are there stereotypes. Yes. There is also a thing called culture which is where that all spawns from. People Need realize thats its not the end of the world because they shouldn't flaunt some words. I little respect is not going to hurt anyone.

Go bak tu canada u frenchy, yer kind aint welcom her!!!

[Sport1.3]

And UNTIL you've lived your life as a white person, caucasion, wtfever... .

Its fvcking awesome!! Everyone should be able to atleast once in their life experience it

[Ed]

Go bak tu canada u frenchy, yer kind aint welcom her!!!

http://unemployment.ytmnd.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJ5oJs3iNY

[Sport1.3]

lulz

[Red_Phoenix]

And UNTIL you've lived your life as a white person, caucasion, wtfever... You'll never understand what it's like to be made out to be a racist, a rich kid, upper class citizen or anything other name that other races give to whites. It's a two way street.

I AM WHITE. White as they come. Pale white and red headed. I know how it is both streets. Trust me. Been there

[Ed]

I AM WHITE. White as they come. Pale white and red headed. I know how it is both streets. Trust me. Been there

so are you a mixture of white, latin, black, asian, and an immigrant at the same time? if not, you haven't been on both streets...

lol jk.

[Red_Phoenix]

Go bak tu canada u frenchy, yer kind aint welcom her!!!

Damn your one ugly bastard. lol

[Ran]

racism is a 'stupid' subject? you really are on an entirely different level.

Yes, actually it is. A stupid subject about stupid people. Racism in it's entirety is retarded and you know it. But hey, keep humoring them and they'll be there to keep harping on it. After all, nobody is equal until they're better than everyone else.

[AirMax95]

I would never use the word. I'm with black folks much more than I am with white. I have all my life. I've often been referred to as having been "accepted" into the black community. I've been to black churches many, many times. Not to mention having a black/mixed daughter. I can't tell you how many times I've been referred to as black and I call myself the "white guy that thinks he's black."

I think it's stupid as hail and ridiculous looking to see some stupid white "wannabes" calling each other ni66as. I don't even think they realize how stupid they look when they do it. Same when I see some "hardcore" white dude hanging around black folks and using the term. Still ridiculous looking.

Later, QD.

QD.....

At car meets (Varisty, Sonic, Mo-Land) I hear whites, asains, and hispanics calling each other N-this, N-that, "what up my N----" WTF!!!!

I personally do not use the word, and will not use the word unless I am discussing it for a good damn reason.

I also agree with Mike, Tony, and others that it is a double standard to an extent. With that said, I feel that the black community uses the word b/c we know that the meaning is no where near the orgin and past usage of the term. Its held sacred due to its negative connotation that was laid to it by true "racist" individuals.

I really wish the word was made a felony to use, kinda like on the movie Judge Dread, lol. Give mofos a language citation, lol. Just kidding, but I think that if the word cant be used by everyone, then it should not be used. <-------yes i know that will never happen!

[Sport1.3]

Damn your one ugly bastard. lol

Quiet Ginger

[Sport1.3]

so are you a mixture of white, latin, black, asian, and an immigrant at the same time? if not, you haven't been on both streets...

lol jk.

Once when i lived in midtown, i crossed over to the wrong side of ponce to go to a tacobell....i had some scary ethnic man knock on my window and ask me for my socks.......scariest moment of my life. Thats when i knew i did not belong on the other side of that road.....i've been on both sides of the street man.....

[Red_Phoenix]

so are you a mixture of white, latin, black, asian, and an immigrant at the same time? if not, you haven't been on both streets...

lol jk.

To make it clear. I am mixed Irish and Italian. I grew up all over the place. (Including Mexico, Canada, Germany.) I have grown up with the latino culture and a few others and speak all the languages to prove. I am originally From Canada so yes I am am immigrant.

Hence BOTH STREETS PAVED.


But this thread isn't about me. Its about the N-Word and everyones different views on it.

[Ran]

Once when i lived in midtown, i crossed over to the wrong side of ponce to go to a tacobell....i had some scary ethnic man knock on my window and ask me for my socks.......scariest moment of my life. Thats when i knew i did not belong on the other side of that road.....i've been on both sides of the street man.....

[Sport1.3]

true story bro..

[bigdare23]

QD and Baby J pretty much summed everything up. I have nothing to say so I'm just going to add to my post count LOL

[BABY J]

what is a "blacks"?

LOL

[DieselNuts]

I'm allowed to use it

[EJ25RUN]

one thing i look at is that the "N" word is uses so much by black people but other people dont really use derogatory terms to each other. Im Russian but look white, i don't call fellow white people crackers. And i think that goes for most other ethnic or race groups. So why do black people?

[Stormhammer]

I'm white and I've said it to my white british friend

[EJ25RUN]

I'm allowed to use it

anyone that has a mouth and a tongue is.

[BlueHatch]

[QUOTE=BABY J]^^


White America just can't fathom the fact that there is SOMETHING on the planet that they don't have 100% access too and it f*cks them up - it's just that simple. "Oh look - the Indians have America, let's go 'discover' it and call it ours.

see thats one of the problems with all this rasist shyt right there. when i look at a map of the u.s.a., i dont see white america and black america anywhere on it. there is only 1 country and its just plain america. i generally agree with most of your posts. we all live here together and yes some people do suck white or black or green, but as long as use these terms like n1gger or white america or cracker or black america, not only do you SEEM un educated, but you contribute to the problem /rant

[BABY J]

see thats one of the problems with all this rasist shyt right there. when i look at a map of the u.s.a., i dont see white america and black america anywhere on it. there is only 1 country and its just plain america. i generally agree with most of your posts. we all live here together and yes some people do suck white or black or green, but as long as use these terms like n1gger or white america or cracker or black america, not only do you SEEM un educated, but you contribute to the problem /rant

No - the PROBLEM is that there is no other way for me to denote that the group of people that I was referring to is INDEED the part of "white America" that fits the description of what I'm talking about. (say that 5 x's fast). I am not saying "crackas" hate it that there is a word that's off-limits to them. I am simply saying that the portion (bc it's not ALL) of "white america" (what term can I insert here instead??) has an issue with it.

[BABY J]

I just re-read what you wrote --- and you are correct. I could have said "that there is a group of people" that can't fathom it. I will leave my posts unedited b/c I don't mind being shown when I am corrected.


+1 BlueHatch

[BlueHatch]

No - the PROBLEM is that there is no other way for me to denote that the group of people that I was referring to is INDEED the part of "white America" that fits the description of what I'm talking about. (say that 5 x's fast). I am not saying "crackas" hate it that there is a word that's off-limits to them. I am simply saying that the portion (bc it's not ALL) of "white america" (what term can I insert here instead??) has an issue with it.

i understand the lack of a proper term for describing who you are trying to describe but wtf exactly is white america? it seems to be a loosly used term as does black america.

[T34me]

i dident read all 6 pages but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Im white as shiit and have plenty of black friends, they call me *****, i call them *****, but it is wierd being around some one you dont know well and droppin that, they kind of just look at you if their white, and look at you like they want to hit you if they're black. I honestly dont even think about it, i just say it like im talkin to one of my boys.

[Sport1.3]

[Ed]

lol gonna go on every thread now and put that pic? haha

[JITB]

Truth is Everyone is granted the right to say anything they woudl like to. But you are also prepared to take on the cause and effect of what might happen afterwards. You all bicker and battle abotu using one word, and truth is most of you dont even use it in the first place.

I still dont curse in front of people older than me out of respect of my elders and im 25 years old. it seems like you all need to get out more and realize that people dont take things like you do. And you cant tell anyone what to get offended by.

and what does get over it mean?

[Lucky DAWG]

No it is not okay at all.



If Jesse Jackson and the Rev want to go around parading that its okay for black artists to use it after the Don Imus controversy especially when this was brought into new light, then that is ridiculous.


Niger = "black" in Latin.


It was a word originally donned by white people for black people simply based on the color of their skin. Inherintly the word is harmelss, but it was used by white people in the North and South to talk down to black people for the most part, most people in the time didn't know that it was bad though.

It became a painful word after slavery ended and mostly not until the Civil rights movement did it become a taboo to say it in public.



The history of the word is not one used by black culture, it was used to demean them. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THE WOULD NOT WANT WHITE PEOPLE SAYING THE WORD, BUT WHY WOULD THEY USE IT THEMSELVES?


double standard at best.

I don't use the word because i know it is a sensitive subject and there is no real reason to use it. But i think it is retarded when i hear it 50 times in a rap song.

eliminate it from your vocabulary, or stop complaining

[Sport1.3]

Niger (pronounced /ni¢°ˈʒɛər/ or /ˈnaɪdʒɚ/); in French pronounced [niʒɛʁ]), officially the Republic of Niger, is a landlocked country in Western Africa, named after the Niger River. It borders Nigeria and Benin to the south, Burkina Faso and Mali to the west, Algeria and Libya to the north and Chad to the east. The capital city is Niamey

[ShooterMcGavin]

Yes, actually it is. A stupid subject about stupid people. Racism in it's entirety is retarded and you know it. But hey, keep humoring them and they'll be there to keep harping on it. After all, nobody is equal until they're better than everyone else.

i think the words you're looking for range from ignorant, to arrogant to conceited, not just stupid.
and i have no idea what you're talking about there at the end...trying to confuse others to prove a point is not a method i approve of

[tony]

Niger = "black" in Latin.


It was a word originally donned by white people for black people simply based on the color of their skin. Inherintly the word is harmelss, but it was used by white people in the North and South to talk down to black people for the most part, most people in the time didn't know that it was bad though.

It became a painful word after slavery ended and mostly not until the Civil rights movement did it become a taboo to say it in public.

(Warning, I typed damn near a complete essay here so be prepared)

The pronunciation of Niger is much different from N1igger.. Niger would be spoken as Ni - jeer, I've heard whites (albeit usually educated) refer to Niger and it isn't even close in anything other than the use of an additional G in N1gger.

Furthermore you go to the northwest and N1gga is very common amongst whites who consider theirselves to be "gangsta" but nonetheless they use the term just as blacks use it everywhere else.. as urban dialect. The term is nothing new though.. even back in slave times those who were in good with the owner of the plantation were referred to as.. "House N1ggas"

If you've never heard the term or can't comprehend the meaning then you most likely don't understand much about being black. The term 'N1gga' barely scratches the surface of what is an underlying acceptance of self hatred that is in the black community.. and personally I think that self hatred dates back to slave times.

I know that nobody of the current generation went through slavery but the harsh lessons are still prevalent in modern day society. People say we are freeloaders that like to live off of the system but genetically for 400 years the #1 focus of slave owners was to keep the black slave strong physically, but make them weak mentally.. keep them dependent on the slave owner.

If this does not translate to today then why are blacks genetically better athletes and stronger physically but even with millions $$$ there is a common theme.. they struggle to make sound life decisions without someone giving them direction. Of course there are always exceptions but the slave owners of the past single handedly advanced the evolution of blacks by killing off the weak and only utilizing the strong. The upside.. well we see that on Sports Center but the down side is right here what we're discussing in this thread.

Along with that goes the crab in the barrel mentality within the black community. (When one crab tries to pull itself out of the barrel another immediately pulls it back down into the barrel) It goes back to the "Uncle Tom," "Sellout".. the "House N1gga." How do you control a group of people that are physically stronger than you and outnumber you by far? You take their ability to think but at the same time you keep them divided, show favortism for some and the other's will resent them for it. Furthermore the ones you show a slight bit of mercy to will never leave, and believe me there were slaves that did NOT want to leave the plantation.

So you wonder why these kids don't show respect for their past ancestors or their self in using the N word? You can't fault white people today, slavery historically ended in 1865, but for a lot of blacks it never ended in their mind, they never got that back. So all through their ancestory they continually saw their selves as n1ggas since that was their identity and over time it has bred into what you see today.

Can you blame them? 400 years and no sense of self, mix that in with the lack of guidance and absence of black males to raise these boys into young men or to set an exceptional example for what a young girl interprets as respect and you get a generation of kids that are struggling to find their own identity.

Believe me.. if these kids had a grasp of the psychological potential that they have, or that their ancestors had we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they cling to whatever is prevalent in their life.. of course joining a gang looks appealing when you are not being loved and accepted at home. The term N1gga isn't so bad since hell.. those who were truly offended by the N word failed the oncoming generation in explaining the UNDERSTANDING of the hurt and the history of the term N1gger.

So as I said before and again I'm not sure if I'm making complete sense here but there is no simple answer to your question that could possibly be answered in a segment of The View. The word itself falls into a deep well of so much that has gone wrong dating back 3 to 4 centuries and that is why the word itself cuts some.. white and black so deep. (Please do remember that there were a great number of whites who died for blacks to have the rights we have as well)

I don't know how else to explain it.

[tony]

Can I also just say although it is off of the original subject, what I just typed is the reason for "Black Pride" or "Black Power." Its not to be offensive toward whites or make us any better than any other race but it is just that.. to have pride in who and what you are because believe it or not that can be tough at times being black. Some people here tend to interpret that as reverse racism and that could not be further from the truth.

[Lucky DAWG]

(Warning, I typed damn near a complete essay here so be prepared)

The pronunciation of Niger is much different from N1igger.. Niger would be spoken as Ni - jeer, I've heard whites (albeit usually educated) refer to Niger and it isn't even close in anything other than the use of an additional G in N1gger.

Furthermore you go to the northwest and N1gga is very common amongst whites who consider theirselves to be "gangsta" but nonetheless they use the term just as blacks use it everywhere else.. as urban dialect. The term is nothing new though.. even back in slave times those who were in good with the owner of the plantation were referred to as.. "House N1ggas"

If you've never heard the term or can't comprehend the meaning then you most likely don't understand much about being black. The term 'N1gga' barely scratches the surface of what is an underlying acceptance of self hatred that is in the black community.. and personally I think that self hatred dates back to slave times.

I know that nobody of the current generation went through slavery but the harsh lessons are still prevalent in modern day society. People say we are freeloaders that like to live off of the system but genetically for 400 years the #1 focus of slave owners was to keep the black slave strong physically, but make them weak mentally.. keep them dependent on the slave owner.

If this does not translate to today then why are blacks genetically better athletes and stronger physically but even with millions $$$ there is a common theme.. they struggle to make sound life decisions without someone giving them direction. Of course there are always exceptions but the slave owners of the past single handedly advanced the evolution of blacks by killing off the weak and only utilizing the strong. The upside.. well we see that on Sports Center but the down side is right here what we're discussing in this thread.

Along with that goes the crab in the barrel mentality within the black community. (When one crab tries to pull itself out of the barrel another immediately pulls it back down into the barrel) It goes back to the "Uncle Tom," "Sellout".. the "House N1gga." How do you control a group of people that are physically stronger than you and outnumber you by far? You take their ability to think but at the same time you keep them divided, show favortism for some and the other's will resent them for it. Furthermore the ones you show a slight bit of mercy to will never leave, and believe me there were slaves that did NOT want to leave the plantation.

So you wonder why these kids don't show respect for their past ancestors or their self in using the N word? You can't fault white people today, slavery historically ended in 1865, but for a lot of blacks it never ended in their mind, they never got that back. So all through their ancestory they continually saw their selves as n1ggas since that was their identity and over time it has bred into what you see today.

Can you blame them? 400 years and no sense of self, mix that in with the lack of guidance and absence of black males to raise these boys into young men or to set an exceptional example for what a young girl interprets as respect and you get a generation of kids that are struggling to find their own identity.

Believe me.. if these kids had a grasp of the psychological potential that they have, or that their ancestors had we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they cling to whatever is prevalent in their life.. of course joining a gang looks appealing when you are not being loved and accepted at home. The term N1gga isn't so bad since hell.. those who were truly offended by the N word failed the oncoming generation in explaining the UNDERSTANDING of the hurt and the history of the term N1gger.

So as I said before and again I'm not sure if I'm making complete sense here but there is no simple answer to your question that could possibly be answered in a segment of The View. The word itself falls into a deep well of so much that has gone wrong dating back 3 to 4 centuries and that is why the word itself cuts some.. white and black so deep. (Please do remember that there were a great number of whites who died for blacks to have the rights we have as well)

I don't know how else to explain it.

You left the one key question unanswered...


Why use the word then, for derogatory or joking around purposes?

[BlueHatch]

to each his own i suppose but when i hear the term "white power" i hear it as a racist remark and im white but that may just be me. but everyone has tough times not just black people. ive lived in everything from a chevy beretta to a 3 bedroom house with 10 folks in it, and no matter how tough it got we never used our race to "get through the hard times" that last line may have came out wrong but im trying to get my point out

[Lucky DAWG]

Can I also just say although it is off of the original subject, what I just typed is the reason for "Black Pride" or "Black Power." Its not to be offensive toward whites or make us any better than any other race but it is just that.. to have pride in who and what you are because believe it or not that can be tough at times being black. Some people here tend to interpret that as reverse racism and that could not be further from the truth.

I have no problem with black people having pride. But you have to acknowledge the fact if there was any kind of group like the NCAAP for white people then it would be put down quite quickly.


I think the NCAAP has seen its days and usefulness pass.


There shouldn't be a group like that for any race

[Vteckidd]

The View Segment in question

http://youtube.com/watch?v=paruOqHn2SY


BETTER VERSION
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-B7c0LCMWU

[tony]

I have no problem with black people having pride. But you have to acknowledge the fact if there was any kind of group like the NCAAP for white people then it would be put down quite quickly.


I think the NCAAP has seen its days and usefulness pass.


There shouldn't be a group like that for any race

NAACP was started by 3 whites, 1 jew and 2 blacks. It's no different than Hispanics having an alliance, Asians, whoever.. would they be racist as well?

You left the one key question unanswered...


Why use the word then, for derogatory or joking around purposes?

I did hit on that,

So you wonder why these kids don't show respect for their past ancestors or their self in using the N word? You can't fault white people today, slavery historically ended in 1865, but for a lot of blacks it never ended in their mind, they never got that back. So all through their ancestory they continually saw their selves as n1ggas since that was their identity and over time it has bred into what you see today.

[Lucky DAWG]

NAACP was started by 3 whites, 1 jew and 2 blacks. It's no different than Hispanics having an alliance, Asians, whoever.. would they be racist as well?




I did hit on that,

oh okay and didn't see the post where you hit on that, i agree though on how you put it.



And for the founding of the NCAAP being founded by a multicultural background, it is far from its beginnings if thats what it was supposed to be built upon