Is it ok for ANYONE to use the "N" Word

[Vteckidd]

Im sure this has been talked about before, but i thought i would bring it up again.

Apparently on THE VIEW this morning , Whoopi Goldberg and Star Jones got into it with the Elizabeth Hasselbeck girl over the use of the "n" word.

Whoopi and Star were claiming that it was fine for blacks to use it because its "their" word and to them it has a totally different meaning than a white person using it.

Elizabeths view was that the "black community" complains about inequality and racism, yet they want to seperate themselves an be "UNEQUAL" and use a word that is inherently racist in itself. How can people move on and inprove race relations if they want to keep using words that promote such issues.

What are your thoughts?





My personal view is that the "N" word is derogatory and anyone that uses it is ignorant and an idiot. You cant complain that you get treated unequally if you are going to sit there and create ways to BE DIFFERENT.

that would be like saying wearing black shirts is wrong, but its ok if me and my friends where black shirts, just not you an your people.

Whoopi went on to say that she lives in a different world than other poeple and its racist etc. GIVE ME A BREAK. shes a MILLIONAIRE an its easy to play the race card when you are sitting in your mansion in the hills with your private tour bus and limo carting you around.

I really think that for people to encourage the use of the N word in pop culture, music, movies, tv, etc it just promotes division.

[mocha latte cupcake]

i don't see a problem with it unless their is hate in the use of it. i say it all the time with alot of my black friends, there is no cause for concern b/c they know that i'm not telling them something in a hurtful or racise manner, its just how we've become that its "no one's word" because if it was that big of a deal NO ONE should say it, yet if my friends tell me they are cool with it then why not. i don't use it around some people out of respect but more so b/c those are the people that i haven't either known and they would probably take offense OR the fact that they themselves are racist and i can see it being an issue (even though it would be a double standard) thats my 2 pennies worth

[ueyedgr8tness]

i don't see a problem with it unless their is hate in the use of it. i say it all the time with alot of my black friends, there is no cause for concern b/c they know that i'm not telling them something in a hurtful or racise manner, its just how we've become that its "no one's word" because if it was that big of a deal NO ONE should say it, yet if my friends tell me they are cool with it then why not. i don't use it around some people out of respect but more so b/c those are the people that i haven't either known and they would probably take offense OR the fact that they themselves are racist and i can see it being an issue (even though it would be a double standard) thats my 2 pennies worth

i havent seen yo ni66a a$$ in ages hoe call me fu**er







OK on topic.. I don't mine my other races calling me the n word because i am proud of it.. Even thoe i don't dress blk nore do i talk blk the bottom line is i am still blk and proud of my race. NOW the issue i do have is ppl that don't understand why most blk ppl don't want u calling them a word that your ancesters used when my ancesters where getting hanged. the blk race took the word (NI**er ) and changed it to (ni66a ) as something they could refer to each other because they where proud of there race and what our ancestors went thrue for us to still be here. So when i hear white ppl get mad cause they can't call a blk man a ni66a all i can do is lol!! because why get mad your ancestors was the 1 that went crazy wit the N word after my ancestors sold our blk asses out. the bottom line is what makes u want to use the word and why would u care to use a word that has been mautofied to fit a way of living for a blk man in the *Hood* I have never got into it some 1 for calling me a (N) no matter what race they are. But i have had to beat some friends asses when they got drunk and mad and wanted to use the word incorrect because of anger..


Enough said by the none grammer king till next time..

[redrumracer]

that word(any word really) is only a word that has power by the people that give it power and meaning.

[tron]

that word(any word really) is only a word that has power by the people that give it power and meaning.

QFT

[Buttons]

i'm not saying who, but a certain member laughed at me when i was telling him about the hurt that this word has caused. i even directed him to:

http://www.abolishthenword.com/

there is so much history behind the word and for someone to use it in manner to mean nothing, it's horrible. that's a very helpful and great site.

[Ran]

i'm not saying who, but a certain member laughed at me when i was telling him about the hurt that this word has caused. i even directed him to:

http://www.abolishthenword.com/

there is so much history behind the word and for someone to use it in manner to mean nothing, it's horrible. that's a very helpful and great site.

It's a word and anyone that gets offended by such words is f*cking stupid.

Nigger, Wop, Dyke, Fag, Kike, Chink, Guido, Cracker, Spic, ect...

Words. Nothing more than words. The argument that "it carries so much hate" is one I expect to hear from grade schoolers. It only carries the context that you yourself apply to it. Get over yourselves and quit getting your panties in a wad over a word.

[ShooterMcGavin]

It's a word and anyone that gets offended by such words is f*cking stupid.

Nigger, Wop, Dyke, Fag, Kike, Chink, Guido, Cracker, Spic, ect...

Words. Nothing more than words. The argument that "it carries so much hate" is one I expect to hear from grade schoolers. It only carries the context that you yourself apply to it. Get over yourselves and quit getting your panties in a wad over a word.

way to oversimplify things...

[Blitanicle99]

It's a word and anyone that gets offended by such words is f*cking stupid.

Nigger, Wop, Dyke, Fag, Kike, Chink, Guido, Cracker, ect...

Words. Nothing more than words. The argument that "it carries so much hate" is one I expect to hear from grade schoolers. It only carries the context that you yourself apply to it. Get over yourselves and quit getting your panties in a wad over a word.

Ran, well said sir.

I completely agree.

Its a word. Everyone just have a laugh over it. Call what you want, anything and Im going to laugh at it.

For example, I heard a white joke one day and I find it ****ing hilarious.

What do you call a trailer full of white people?

..... A Box of crackas!

That **** cracks me up. Why? Because its true. Every race has that stereo typical group that seems ot make the face of that particular race.


For example... White people have the country, redneck, sister f*cking, dippin, gun tottin, truck drivin hokeys.

Black people have the ghetto, 10 kids, no job, living on welfare, robbing people every chance they get, N1ggas.

Latino/Spanish people have the no green card, low rider driving, chico with the mexi stash illegals.

Asain people have the book smart, glasses, they know kung fu and make straight As...


The list can go on for hours.

In truth, I am not some racist, dippin redneck that dips a can every hour.

In truth, black boi (I dont know you but just for example) doesnt slang coke to little kids, rob the liquor store daily or have a 18 page arrest record.

In truth, Ran (Weve met before) is not a short, nerdy, ninja. He is actually really tall lol

But seriously people, why would you be offended by a word if you are not that person?

[blackboi50]

Ran, well said sir.

I completely agree.

Its a word. Everyone just have a laugh over it. Call what you want, anything and Im going to laugh at it.

For example, I heard a white joke one day and I find it ****ing hilarious.

What do you call a trailer full of white people?

..... A Box of crackas!

That **** cracks me up. Why? Because its true. Every race has that stereo typical group that seems ot make the face of that particular race.


For example... White people have the country, redneck, sister f*cking, dippin, gun tottin, truck drivin hokeys.

Black people have the ghetto, 10 kids, no job, living on welfare, robbing people every chance they get, N1ggas.

Latino/Spanish people have the no green card, low rider driving, chico with the mexi stash illegals.

Asain people have the book smart, glasses, they know kung fu and make straight As...


The list can go on for hours.

In truth, I am not some racist, dippin redneck that dips a can every hour.

In truth, black boi (I dont know you but just for example) doesnt slang coke to little kids, rob the liquor store daily or have a 18 page arrest record.

In truth, Ran (Weve met before) is not a short, nerdy, ninja. He is actually really tall lol

But seriously people, why would you be offended by a word if you are not that person?

hahhahha......thank you sirrrr!!!!.......u have been repped!!!!.....1

[RandomGuy]

does this thread have anything to do with my IM lmfao

[tron]

Im sure this has been talked about before, but i thought i would bring it up again.

Apparently on THE VIEW this morning , Whoopi Goldberg and Star Jones got into it with the Elizabeth Hasselbeck girl over the use of the "n" word.

Whoopi and Star were claiming that it was fine for blacks to use it because its "their" word and to them it has a totally different meaning than a white person using it.

Elizabeths view was that the "black community" complains about inequality and racism, yet they want to seperate themselves an be "UNEQUAL" and use a word that is inherently racist in itself. How can people move on and inprove race relations if they want to keep using words that promote such issues.

What are your thoughts?





My personal view is that the "N" word is derogatory and anyone that uses it is ignorant and an idiot. You cant complain that you get treated unequally if you are going to sit there and create ways to BE DIFFERENT.

that would be like saying wearing black shirts is wrong, but its ok if me and my friends where black shirts, just not you an your people.

Whoopi went on to say that she lives in a different world than other poeple and its racist etc. GIVE ME A BREAK. shes a MILLIONAIRE an its easy to play the race card when you are sitting in your mansion in the hills with your private tour bus and limo carting you around.

I really think that for people to encourage the use of the N word in pop culture, music, movies, tv, etc it just promotes division.

ok i agree with you 95% but what i dont agree with is being treated equally and being different are 2 completly seprate things. i mean im sure u dont want to look and be like everyone around if you do then your a tool.
and fyi i didnt read your entire post i just had to address the 1st sentence before i did

[tony]

I see both sides of the coin so its hard to have an opinion, it was something I used to do in high school and I'm sure when I see my childhood best friend next week I'll say it again.

Its really hard to explain and difficult to understand if you haven't been in that environment to see the term as something other than derogatory. What I cannot stand is being out in public and some ignorass is loud as hell spewing "***** this, ***** that." Its annoying..

I don't cringe when I listen to Nas or Kanye use the term, its just interpreted different in the black community.. does that make it right? No it is hypocrticall, but it's just dialect to most that use it.. no different than you calling your friend a "dumb ass" yeah thats vulgar when used with someone you are not familiar but with that friend its just how you talk.

Don't feel like I'm making a great deal of sense here but I hope I got my point across.

[Alan®]

I see both sides of the coin so its hard to have an opinion, it was something I used to do in high school and I'm sure when I see my childhood best friend next week I'll say it again.

Its really hard to explain and difficult to understand if you haven't been in that environment to see the term as something other than derogatory. What I cannot stand is being out in public and some ignorass is loud as hell spewing "***** this, ***** that." Its annoying..

I don't cringe when I listen to Nas or Kanye use the term, its just interpreted different in the black community.. does that make it right? No it is hypocrticall, but it's just dialect to most that use it.. no different than you calling your friend a "dumb ass" yeah thats vulgar when used with someone you are not familiar but with that friend its just how you talk.

Don't feel like I'm making a great deal of sense here but I hope I got my point across.

Nah you made sense lol. I understand what you mean. I'm white actually believed the same thing as mike for a long time but my best friend growing up was black and he is the only person that when he calls I will actually pick up the phone and answer "what up n1gga". Like you I see both sides of the coin and find it annoying the same way you do when it's thrown around losely out in public like it's any other word in the english language. I can understand using it with friends but out in public show a little class and respect for yourself. I think ultimately though redrumracer has it right but at the same time i see where mike is coming from.

[Vteckidd]

it's just dialect to most that use it.. no different than you calling your friend a "dumb ass" yeah thats vulgar when used with someone you are not familiar but with that friend its just how you talk.

But my problem with that is you can call me a "dumb ass" and i can call you a "dumb ass" and its ok.

If you call me a ****** or a *****, and i call it to you back, ill end up on the 6o'clock news for a hate crime.

Make sense?

[Blitanicle99]

In my opinion, if you are offended by the word N1GGER then you truely are one and are that derogatory racial term.

Flip the picture over. I am white, and I think the common word is "cracker" or "cracka" for white people.


And both words have history. N1GGER has the slave history, however as does the word "Cracker"... If you didn't catch on, slaves would call their white masters "Crackas" as in whip crackers.

Im not offended by the word, actually theres not much you can say that I am offended by. I think its hilarious. I think racism should be taken much less serious, and just laugh a little about it.

Two Examples: First off, ever notice in europe that no one has to be politically correct? As in you can say "Retard" in public or "N1GGER" and no one gets offended?

Second, and lets be honest here... If you say N1GGER in a restaraunt and you are around black people, someone who is black will probably make a notion to it, say something you never know. However, again flip the situation around and a black person says "Cracka" or something similiar... Do you think anyone is gonna care? No. Because white people don't give a crap about insults unless they are from Alabama and you say something about F***ing their sister or talk **** about Nascar.

But when it all comes down to it, and when you really think about it, considering every angle, and this is not just my personal opinion, because contrary to what you believe, ITS A F*CKING WORD. GET OVER IT.


Did I make my point clear? lol

Please. People reply and don't hold back. And that means ALL RACES. That means you white people... and you black people... and hell mexican/latinos **** it come on post up.

[NewGen33]

This is how I see it...
You have black people then you have n1ggas and or ghetto black people.
You have whites then you have white trash and so fourth with every race. If you want to lable a person as a n1gga or whatever else. I'm in the younger bracket of the group on here and I can tell you for a fact white kids and other non black races are picking it up as a cool slang word as they do a lot of other things. For instance you can see one talk to another and be like hey n1g you never called me or Aight n1g later. I notice that in Washington state there is a big white gangster thug life trend going on. I saw one of my old friends recently who had been living there and he's all into that. Based on the origin of the word I don't think anyone should use it or would want to but it will never go away. Put any wrapper out there on mtv, myspace, or another mainstream network and it can become cool, acceptable and desired to use or act upon. 0.02

[Doppelgänger]

I think as long as people feel the need to discuss it rather than just let it go, it will be considered taboo.

[Vteckidd]

I was just curious how some other poeple see it being used.

I personally dont have a problem with other people using it, it doesnt infuriate me, but what bothers me is the use of it by CERTAIN people and then in the next sentence they complain about how bad our society is.

I mean how can Kanye criticize Imus when he uses the EXACT same hatefull racist words.

that is my problem.

Like i guess the issue i see is that a black person can tell me that im not allowed to use the word, its disrespectfull, racist, etc. Then they turn around and use the EXACT SAME WORD like it means nothing.

I think its just a hypocritical thing to do.

See white people dont go around calling each other whitey, or honkey, or white trash, or redneck. None that i know at least do that.

I really feel the blame falls with these ass hat celebrities (like Star Jones and Goldberg and others) that push this equal but seperate societys.

[thecrazyone]

IMO stupid topic, freedom of speech/

******

but really who cares, if no one took offense to the word it wouldnt mean a damn thing.

black people are the ones keeping the word alive.

[MistaCee]

I was just curious how some other poeple see it being used.

I personally dont have a problem with other people using it, it doesnt infuriate me, but what bothers me is the use of it by CERTAIN people and then in the next sentence they complain about how bad our society is.

I mean how can Kanye criticize Imus when he uses the EXACT same hatefull racist words.

that is my problem.

Like i guess the issue i see is that a black person can tell me that im not allowed to use the word, its disrespectfull, racist, etc. Then they turn around and use the EXACT SAME WORD like it means nothing.

I think its just a hypocritical thing to do.

See white people dont go around calling each other whitey, or honkey, or white trash, or redneck. None that i know at least do that.

I really feel the blame falls with these ass hat celebrities (like Star Jones and Goldberg and others) that push this equal but seperate societys.

I agree with the hypocritical part. Not saying I've never used the word, but I cut out using it. If your going to complain about inequality and promote it at the same time whats the use?

I've known plenty of white people that call themselves white trash etc. Hell there's even a person around here in Conyers that has a lifted truck sporting '' White Trash" in big letters on his front windshield.

[blackboi50]

I agree with the hypocritical part. Not saying I've never used the word, but I cut out using it. If your going to complain about inequality and promote it at the same time whats the use?

I've known plenty of white people that call themselves white trash etc. Hell there's even a person around here in Conyers that has a lifted truck sporting '' White Trash" in big letters on his front windshield.

ill be damned the day i see a car with a big as$ decal that says nigg@!!!!!!......cmon now!!!!............1

[RandomGuy]

that double standard has been around for the longest, its not going away lawl

[Vteckidd]

Again , the problem i have is not the word itself, but merely that attitude of the poeple that use it.

the double standard if you will

[Blitanicle99]

Again , the problem i have is not the word itself, but merely that attitude of the poeple that use it.

the double standard if you will

Oh I completely understand on the attitue issue. Its such a HUGE deal and the race card can be pulled at any time whenever need be. It gets old...

[stephen]

Again , the problem i have is not the word itself, but merely that attitude of the poeple that use it.

the double standard if you will

"double-standard" exist everwhere man...it's human nature. i'm not sure if you have siblings or not, but i remember as a child, me and my little sister (she's 3yrs younger than me) would tease each other and fight all the time...but we'd never let anyone else tease or fight the other one. you're probably thinking "that's different, that's family" but sometimes black people tend to "relate" to other black people like family. think about it, a famous term for a black man is "a brother." i'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying...double standards are a part of life. none of us were alive in the 1800s, but we all LEARNED what it meant when a WHITE man stepped out on his porch and called to all "his ***.gers." that being the case, how can you not "understand" a black person's reaction now when a WHITE man steps out onto the streets, and tries to call to all "his ***.gers?"

and much like a lot of other black people out there, i can't stand to hear another black person just use it over and over and over again.

[JITB]

If you were raised to respect others... it will never be a issue in your life.

You wont ever hear me spittin racial **** to anyone regardless of waht they say to me. Because you don know who you might offend.

I will never try to tell anyone else what not to get offended by, So i cant understand how anyone can tell others what they should be mad at. I know people that will flip out if you call them "fools" or anything out their name. Just because somethign doesnt bother you doesnt mean that it shouldnt bother anyone else. That is my problem with the whole thing. everyone has something that will make them snap.. its true, its human nature. People dont know how to be respectful or considerate to other people anymore.

[BABY J]

If you were raised to respect others... it will never be a issue in your life.

You wont ever hear me spittin racial **** to anyone regardless of waht they say to me. Because you don know who you might offend.

I will never try to tell anyone else what not to get offended by, So i cant understand how anyone can tell others what they should be mad at. I know people that will flip out if you call them "fools" or anything out their name. Just because somethign doesnt bother you doesnt mean that it shouldnt bother anyone else. That is my problem with the whole thing. everyone has something that will make them snap.. its true, its human nature. People dont know how to be respectful or considerate to other people anymore.

You are the bomb. Wow. AMAZING. It's like... you have... like a BRAIN inside of your head.... and you're also like USING it and sh*t. That's crazy. How are you doing that thing that you're doing - that thing called "making sense"? I don't see that too often - please share that trick w/ every1.

[JITB]

You are the bomb. Wow. AMAZING. It's like... you have... like a BRAIN inside of your head.... and you're also like USING it and sh*t. That's crazy. How are you doing that thing that you're doing - that thing called "making sense"? I don't see that too often - please share that trick w/ every1.

Some people like to justify everything, for something else. When it comes down to its wrong....and offensive, so let it go. Of all the words in the english language, people want to justify using words that we all know doesnt ever make anything better.

[EJ25RUN]

one thing i look at is that the "N" word is uses so much by black people but other people dont really use derogatory terms to each other. Im Russian but look white, i don't call fellow white people crackers. And i think that goes for most other ethnic or race groups. So why do black people?

[civic95]

I say yes. I hear black people at work call each other that everyday. So if they can use it, why can't I?

It's no more derogatory than the term cracker, or redneck. If it makes you mad then boo f-ing hoo. Oh he called me the "n" word If that is all you have to worry about (what other people call you) then your life is pretty good.

To the whites, blacks, purples, and other colors. If you act a certain way don't be upset when people call you a name that describes it.

[JITB]

I say yes. I hear black people at work call each other that everyday. So if they can use it, why can't I?

It's no more derogatory than the term cracker, or redneck. If it makes you mad then boo f-ing hoo. Oh he called me the "n" word If that is all you have to worry about (what other people call you) then your life is pretty good.

To the whites, blacks, purples, and other colors. If you act a certain way don't be upset when people call you a name that describes it.

lol and these are the type of people that i will have to grow old with in this country and share the world with... My generation is such a disappointment..

[Firefightin_tC]

lol and these are the type of people that i will have to grow old with in this country and share the world with... My generation is such a disappointment..

Argeed.

[civic95]

lol and these are the type of people that i will have to grow old with in this country and share the world with... My generation is such a disappointment..

Do you cry everytime someone calls you a mother-fAcker too? That's more derogatory.

[quickdodge®]

I would never use the word. I'm with black folks much more than I am with white. I have all my life. I've often been referred to as having been "accepted" into the black community. I've been to black churches many, many times. Not to mention having a black/mixed daughter. I can't tell you how many times I've been referred to as black and I call myself the "white guy that thinks he's black."

I think it's stupid as hail and ridiculous looking to see some stupid white "wannabes" calling each other ni66as. I don't even think they realize how stupid they look when they do it. Same when I see some "hardcore" white dude hanging around black folks and using the term. Still ridiculous looking.

Later, QD.

[AirMax95]

I would never use the word. I'm with black folks much more than I am with white. I have all my life. I've often been referred to as having been "accepted" into the black community. I've been to black churches many, many times. Not to mention having a black/mixed daughter. I can't tell you how many times I've been referred to as black and I call myself the "white guy that thinks he's black."

I think it's stupid as hail and ridiculous looking to see some stupid white "wannabes" calling each other ni66as. I don't even think they realize how stupid they look when they do it. Same when I see some "hardcore" white dude hanging around black folks and using the term. Still ridiculous looking.

Later, QD.

QD.....

At car meets (Varisty, Sonic, Mo-Land) I hear whites, asains, and hispanics calling each other N-this, N-that, "what up my N----" WTF!!!!

I personally do not use the word, and will not use the word unless I am discussing it for a good damn reason.

I also agree with Mike, Tony, and others that it is a double standard to an extent. With that said, I feel that the black community uses the word b/c we know that the meaning is no where near the orgin and past usage of the term. Its held sacred due to its negative connotation that was laid to it by true "racist" individuals.

I really wish the word was made a felony to use, kinda like on the movie Judge Dread, lol. Give mofos a language citation, lol. Just kidding, but I think that if the word cant be used by everyone, then it should not be used. <-------yes i know that will never happen!

[Thighs]

the way i see it, it shouldnt be a problem as long as there is no hate or derogatory meaning in its usage. saying "fuk you n1gga?" and saying "fuk you n1gger" are two different things, even though i said the same word. see what im saying? its all about the meaning behind it.

for the record, im a skinny white kid and i hate hearing people make ignorant, racist statements towards any race in a serious manner. im tired of race making a difference in judgement of a person.

sounds like whoopi goldberg and star jones are a little racist themselves. whats so different about separate standards of things like this and separate bathrooms? yes, they may be on two totally different levels, but segregation is segregation. the end.

[JITB]

the way i see it, it shouldnt be a problem as long as there is no hate or derogatory meaning in its usage. saying "fuk you n1gga?" and saying "fuk you n1gger" are two different things, even though i said the same word. see what im saying? its all about the meaning behind it.

for the record, im a skinny white kid and i hate hearing people make ignorant, racist statements towards any race in a serious manner. im tired of race making a difference in judgement of a person.

sounds like whoopi goldberg and star jones are a little racist themselves. whats so different about separate standards of things like this and separate bathrooms? yes, they may be on two totally different levels, but segregation is segregation. the end.

lol OH it makes sense now..

so if i walk up to your mother and say "suck my ****" its bad

But if i say "suck my penis please"

its all good..

[Thighs]

lol OH it makes sense now..

so if i walk up to your mother and say "suck my ****" its bad

But if i say "suck my penis please"

its all good..

no. because the meaning behind both of those is negative. (well, i guess that depends on what end of the statement you're on, but you get my point.)

are you saying that if 2 friends are sitting around and one makes fun of the other (with good intentions) and the other replies with "fvck you n1gga", you would be offended the same as if some fat redneck walked up to a black guy on the street and said "fvck you n1gger"?

[JITB]

no. because the meaning behind both of those is negative. (well, i guess that depends on what end of the statement you're on, but you get my point.)

are you saying that if 2 friends are sitting around and one makes fun of the other (with good intentions) and the other replies with "fvck you n1gga", you would be offended the same as if some fat redneck walked up to a black guy on the street and said "fvck you n1gger"?

thats not what im going against, im going against.. the point when people justify it by saying.. well "they say it why cant i".

that scenario you wrote is amongst friends...and which it cannot be explained!