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I think that with a limited slip in a front wheel drive car, it closes the gap on the RWD>FWD thing because if you let off the gas in a corner, the front wheels might push but if you give it more gas it will start gripping harder into the corner and sometimes the tail might start sliding out (providing the suspension is set up right for it). I still agree that RWD>FWD but for power to weight, it's the other way around. AWD is like FWD but with training wheels.
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umm no. thats y there is no FWD drift cars. when u hit the gas, it pushes.Originally Posted by blackshine007
but yes, FWD is very fast... look at the autocross results from points 1
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Allot of you guys are forgetting (ok most of you don't know) about Class II FWD touring cars from the mid to late 90's......
They can and have beaten RWD and AWD cars on the track and cost Formula 1 like budgets to make so they died out around the year 2000!
FACTS FTWallot of you guys are forgetting (ok most of you don't know) about Class II fwd touring cars from the mid to late 90's......They can and have beaten RWD and AWD cars on the track. AND cost Formula 1 like budgets to make!
So for a F1 budget you would rather have a FWD honda than, say, an ACTUAL F1 car? I wonder which is faster...Allot of you guys are forgetting (ok most of you don't know) about Class II FWD touring cars from the mid to late 90's......
They can and have beaten RWD and AWD cars on the track and cost Formula 1 like budgets to make so they died out around the year 2000!
I would say this just PROVES the point that RWD is the way to go.
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hold on a sec FC man.....So for a F1 budget you would rather have a FWD honda than, say, an ACTUAL F1 car? I wonder which is faster...
I would say this just PROVES the point that RWD is the way to go.
You do realize that in the years between 1995-2000, the British Touring car championship rivaled F1 in popularity? Why is this. It is till this day the best and most competitive racing ever. It was boxing on four wheels. That JTCC accord and Nissan Primera sit in the Musuems of the two brands because the cars were so great. Why not, Why not take the tech from F1 and throw it onto a FWD chassis. You've heard of racing improves the breed. Why can't F1 cars improve even simple Touring Cars.
Here's some examples. ~ Watch these Fcman!
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Nigel Mansell gets a chance to drive a BTCC car
The Night at Snetterton Pt.1
The Night at Snetterton Pt.2
The Night at Snetterton Pt.3
+whatever im worth for posting that. Thank you. I vote FWD. I am a fan of traction. Drifting and "RWD fun" has its place on the track, but most of us dont see the track too much anyways. Someone posted that there was no snow in Atlanta, but there sure is ice.Allot of you guys are forgetting (ok most of you don't know) about Class II FWD touring cars from the mid to late 90's......
They can and have beaten RWD and AWD cars on the track and cost Formula 1 like budgets to make so they died out around the year 2000!
I know quite a few guys who would disagree with you. With an open differential due to the power being transfered to the wheel with the least resistance, naturally it's gonna be the on the corner with the lesser of loads, which, naturally cause the inside tire to spin and leave the remaining tire on that axle as the wheel providing the grip. But due to weight and all laws of gravity and inertia, it's gonna keep pushing forward due to that outer tire taking so much load. RWD vehicles has can do the same thing. RWD vehicles aren't always capable of oversteer. Most factory vehicles that has come with an open differential can quite easily understeer. Honda's torque biased LSD is a system that is quite neat, which was first seen on the Prelude type SH. Being electronicly controlled, when cornering, it sends most of the engine's power to the outside wheel to try to match the wheel speeds of inner. The results of that is that there's way more grip available due to both wheels trying to spin at the same speed.
Like I said, depending upon suspension set up, if you stay on the gas the front tires won't really break loose but there's a great possibilty that the rears will. And I take it you don't go on youtube that often.
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are you seriously telling me this? the rear will break loose before the front when on the power? HAHA. if thats true, come show me in my car. for a FWD, think "lift to drift".
Sounds like you're describing AWD bro. A properly setup AWD car will claw its way around a turn but have enough power through the rear wheels to keep the attitude neutral. FWD will not turn in harder under gas, AWD will if its set up right.
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I think I would've mentioned AWD when describing a FWD car with an LSD and properly set up suspension. I'm aware that you can get a good 4 wheel drift going in an AWD car. It's way more controllable with AWD providing there's enough power and a good suspension set up. When I said it closed the gap on the RWD>FWD that didn't mean that it completely dominates AWD. Just gives you a more compelling reason to keep a FWD car.
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blackshine007, im still waiting to here a response to post #69. ready to here more forza talk
I don't own Forza, let alone an Xbox 360 or PS3. You drive a car with a shorter wheel base. It's characteristics are naturally gonna be different from a car with a longer wheelbase. But, you're right. It's just Forza talk, because I guess I'm talking out my arse. EJ25RUN might be on to something :jerkit:
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and you think i havent driven other cars? did u not read my post? I geuss not because your still saying some stupid sh.it. a shorter wheel base car has more rotation (generally setup related) but the handling is similiar for all FWD, lift drift. go race a car then come back and tell me that gas in a FWD = oversteer.
like i said, if you know oo so much about FWD then set my car up please.
BTW, EJ25RUN knows his ****. and he can tell you the same thing. watch some incar race videos and learn a thing or to. watch steering and throttle/brake input. what you said was logical yet was wrong (applys for some AWD cars and RWD cars).
nice try.
So basicly, you're telling me that a FWD car is by no means capable of oversteer due to the drivetrain configuration?
I could possibly help you with your suspension set up, what's your specs front and rear and what's the average speed you do around a track? I'm not trying to be an ass, but honestly I try to help out anyone. Are you shallow enough not to listen or do you know everything? PM me your specs and we can converse there.
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