Ready to have your wages garnished?

[Evil Goat]

I don't feel like arguing right now, but I'm sure I will soon.

make sure you google and bring some good facts to the table

[Tracy]

make sure you google and bring some good facts to the table

Make sure you don't come at me like that just because you don't agree with it. I'm not really the one. I don't have to google to have an opinion, bud To be honest, I don't keep up with any of the political bullsh.it because it's all just that...bullsh.it. I don't agree with what any of them have to say.

[R3RUN]

Make sure you don't come at me like that just because you don't agree with it. I'm not really the one. I don't have to google to have an opinion, bud To be honest, I don't keep up with any of the political bullsh.it because it's all just that...bullsh.it. I don't agree with what any of them have to say.

Hahaha, I agree. I just vote for whichever person I think sucks the least.

[Tracy]

Hahaha, I agree. I just vote for whichever person I think sucks the least.

If anyone wants to know the truth about how I feel about any of it (which I'm sure you don't but f.uck it)...when they start using the popular vote and my vote actually counts...I'll vote. When it doesn't cost $50 million to run a campaign, I'll vote. Until then it's all just corrupt bullsh.it that my vote isn't going to change. I don't contribute/pay off enough to the rich people running this country to actually have a say.

[GirlieZ]

-1 on canidates proposing to make healthcare a goverment entity. screwing with my money and my profession ftl.

[Evil Goat]

If anyone wants to know the truth about how I feel about any of it (which I'm sure you don't but f.uck it)...when they start using the popular vote and my vote actually counts...I'll vote. When it doesn't cost $50 million to run a campaign, I'll vote. Until then it's all just corrupt bullsh.it that my vote isn't going to change. I don't contribute/pay off enough to the rich people running this country to actually have a say.

then why bother having an opinion at all?

[Tracy]

then why bother having an opinion at all?

What? I'm not sure what you are asking. I have an opinion because I am human and most humans have one on everything unless they are in a coma? Does that make you feel better?

[tony]

What? I'm not sure what you are asking. I have an opinion because I am human and most humans have one on everything unless they are in a coma? Does that make you feel better?

I think what he is trying to ask is if you will not participate in the election process then why have an opinion on policies. No offense to you but I do think its a valid question, it is the responsibility of the people to vote. In the grand scheme of things your vote does matter and a "popular vote" majority rule is quite dangerous. Most are not willing to get out and educate theirselves on the issues or think critically. Otherwise you stand at the side and let politicians continue to make policies that dictate how you live your life.

[Tracy]

I think what he is trying to ask is if you will not participate in the election process then why have an opinion on policies. No offense to you but I do think its a valid question, it is the responsibility of the people to vote. In the grand scheme of things your vote does matter and a "popular vote" majority rule is quite dangerous. Most are not willing to get out and educate theirselves on the issues or think critically. Otherwise you stand at the side and let politicians continue to make policies that dictate how you live your life.

Like I said, this is not something I feel like getting into a 12 page paragraph argument on. I have had enough face to face discussions about it in the past few weeks to make me puke. I'll see if I can put my view simply enough to get my feeling across without pissing off MR org. I do watch the news and I do read magazines and the Internet. I'm not ignorant to the candidates positions. That's not to say that I completely sure of their positions because they aren't even sure of their positions. I watched CNN last night and had to change the channel because they can't get what they stand for straight..so how am I supposed to? I may not be able to debate at the Iowa caucus, but I did watch it (along with other scattered televised events). I also went to college and took Political Science just like most people who went to college did. The president doesn't run sh.it around here. Sure he has the right to veto and can make SOME executive decisions...but they are a pawn of the cabinet...of which are APPOINTED and not voted in by me or you...but voted on by the Senate....WHO REALLY RUN ****. So everyone makes a big deal out of voting for president, when they should really focus on who they vote into becoming a judge since they are the ones who become members of the Senate a lot of the time

You know what? This is too long already and I can see it getting 12 paragraphs longer if I keep on. I think medical care should be socialized. I also think that there should be less tax breaks for multi-millionaire companies so that their taxes can be applied to things like socialized medical care and higher education...rather than them applying their extra money to the presidential campaigns that costs $50 million dollars each (in other words paying off officials essentially). I think that every candidate should be given an equal budget by the gov't that is taken from million dollar company taxes.

Ok so there is a little of my stance. Remind me not to post in threads like this again

P.S. If it's our responsibility to vote...then make it illegal to not vote. I'll vote for that. Oh yea, I know there are a million /reasons excuses why that can't or will never happen. It basically comes down to that we have a lot of work to do to make things fair and just and that would take too much time and too much money and piss off too many white men.

[collins]

the right to vote is just that... a RIGHT to vote... not a mandate. you have the choice to refrain from voting, but if you do so, you also waive your right to b!tch about policies.


btw, if hitlary is elected, who's moving to canada with me?

[Tracy]

I wonder when the ballot will address how much you can spend on a candidacy? Oh, I'm not a lobbyist.....so probably never

[Batlground]

So.. just like Social Security of which we will probably never reap the benefits of, its okay to force wage garnishments on those that work while those who do not get the reward? Interesting..

If someone chooses not to participate in the Healthcare-out-of-your-paycheck socialized system, do you think they should be given medical care at all?

I agree with you, i think socializing it is NOT the answer. I dont think the government should regulate it.

EDIT: Im responding to this because ive been home throwing up all night and all day, i dont have healthcare it costs me $$$$$$ to go to a doctor so im interested in what the candidates solution will be

[NevrNufTorq]

If someone chooses not to participate in the Healthcare-out-of-your-paycheck socialized system, do you think they should be given medical care at all?

I agree with you, i think socializing it is NOT the answer. I dont think the government should regulate it.

EDIT: Im responding to this because ive been home throwing up all night and all day, i dont have healthcare it costs me $$$$$$ to go to a doctor so im interested in what the candidates solution will be

sorry you're sick, but you are right everyone deserves healthcare! just really scared if we all end up with a near 50% taxrate like the british have.

on the topic of you being sick, you can go to the emergency room, and they will treat you regardless, and you can pay them $10/mo forever and they cant even kill your credit as long as you pay them something

[JConner]

+ for you!

F this wage garnishment for people that do not want to pay for health care


Hitlary is playing off of the weakness of the american people.

the people that belive the bull**** she is saying about how people in america do not have the heath care they deserve will ruin this country. most of these people she is talking about that are so sad without health care are; illegals, college students who are perfectly healthy, and rich people who don't want to pay monthly for something that my not happen when they could write a check if anything ever happens.

[JConner]

Like I said, this is not something I feel like getting into a 12 page paragraph argument on. I have had enough face to face discussions about it in the past few weeks to make me puke. I'll see if I can put my view simply enough to get my feeling across without pissing off MR org. I do watch the news and I do read magazines and the Internet. I'm not ignorant to the candidates positions. That's not to say that I completely sure of their positions because they aren't even sure of their positions. I watched CNN last night and had to change the channel because they can't get what they stand for straight..so how am I supposed to? I may not be able to debate at the Iowa caucus, but I did watch it (along with other scattered televised events). I also went to college and took Political Science just like most people who went to college did. The president doesn't run sh.it around here. Sure he has the right to veto and can make SOME executive decisions...but they are a pawn of the cabinet...of which are APPOINTED and not voted in by me or you...but voted on by the Senate....WHO REALLY RUN ****. So everyone makes a big deal out of voting for president, when they should really focus on who they vote into becoming a judge since they are the ones who become members of the Senate a lot of the time

You know what? This is too long already and I can see it getting 12 paragraphs longer if I keep on. I think medical care should be socialized. I also think that there should be less tax breaks for multi-millionaire companies so that their taxes can be applied to things like socialized medical care and higher education...rather than them applying their extra money to the presidential campaigns that costs $50 million dollars each (in other words paying off officials essentially). I think that every candidate should be given an equal budget by the gov't that is taken from million dollar company taxes.

Ok so there is a little of my stance. Remind me not to post in threads like this again

P.S. If it's our responsibility to vote...then make it illegal to not vote. I'll vote for that. Oh yea, I know there are a million /reasons excuses why that can't or will never happen. It basically comes down to that we have a lot of work to do to make things fair and just and that would take too much time and too much money and piss off too many white men.

Have you ever been to "Great" Britain? Have you ever been to Canada? Try getting a dentist appointment in "Great" Britain! Just look at the british people's teeth! That is because they have socialized health/dental care so it takes a year to get a dentist appointment....while here in the US i go to the dentist once every 6 months and have no cavities and can walk into a hospital if i have any health problems!


You think there should be LESS tax breaks for multi-million dollar corps.? Are you kidding? Who do you work for? I doubt you work for a poor person that leaches off of the government. If there weren't rich people YOU WOULDNT HAVE A JOB!

[JConner]

the right to vote is just that... a RIGHT to vote... not a mandate. you have the choice to refrain from voting, but if you do so, you also waive your right to b!tch about policies.


btw, if hitlary is elected, who's moving to canada with me?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT! We do not have a RIGHT to vote! We are ALLOWED to vote! There is no constitutional right to vote, please read it before you speak.

[NevrNufTorq]

Have you ever been to "Great" Britain? Have you ever been to Canada? Try getting a dentist appointment in "Great" Britain! Just look at the british people's teeth! That is because they have socialized health/dental care so it takes a year to get a dentist appointment....while here in the US i go to the dentist once every 6 months and have no cavities and can walk into a hospital if i have any health problems!


You think there should be LESS tax breaks for multi-million dollar corps.? Are you kidding? Who do you work for? I doubt you work for a poor person that leaches off of the government. If there weren't rich people YOU WOULDNT HAVE A JOB!

you make very good points, but let's keep this civil, tracy is a private business owner(part owner spped shop) and an entreprenaur(sp?) with drifting events and such. everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect hers even though i dont agree with it!!! j/k

[JConner]

you make very good points, but let's keep this civil, tracy is a private business owner(part owner spped shop) and an entreprenaur(sp?) with drifting events and such. everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect hers even though i dont agree with it!!! j/k

i didn't know that she is a business owner. You would think that she would be for cutting taxes on businesses....even doing away with income taxes all together and be supporting the fair tax wich promotes small businesses instead of punishing people like her for giving people jobs like the democrats LOOOVVVEEE to do with more taxes.

[JConner]

P.S. If it's our responsibility to vote...then make it illegal to not vote. I'll vote for that. Oh yea, I know there are a million /reasons excuses why that can't or will never happen. It basically comes down to that we have a lot of work to do to make things fair and just and that would take too much time and too much money and piss off too many white men.

why make it illegal for someone not to vote? I think if someone is living off of the goverment (welfare) they should NOT be allowed to vote. I also think that before you vote you should have to answer a few simple questions (do we have a RIGHT to vote? who is your congress man/woman? etc) to prove a persons knowledge about our government and the constitution.

p.s. if you cannot answer the two questions above correctly, please stay away from the poles tomorrow

[YoungGun]

Socialized programs in general are a bad idea because it only leads to more and more money being pulled from the people to be put into them. People forget that all the heavy taxes we pay are still pretty new for this country. Income taxes weren't fully established until 1913 and then it was a much smaller percentage for everyone. And that just one of the taxes we pay. What is the cause of this you may ask... government run socialized programs like welfare, social security, ect... Medical coverage should be open to all and it is. Its just not free. But, if it becomes free then the level of care for all will most surely decline.

This all follows the typical run of a democracy's life. A democracy will die when the people who vote use that power to give themselves more and more. If this happens the economy will stagnate and then slowly decline until the government can no longer support itself and finally collapse. The avg. lifespan for a democracy... 200 years.

http://www.catholic-convert.com/Defa...59&EntryID=395

[NevrNufTorq]

why make it illegal for someone not to vote? I think if someone is living off of the goverment (welfare) they should NOT be allowed to vote. I also think that before you vote you should have to answer a few simple questions (do we have a RIGHT to vote? who is your congress man/woman? etc) to prove a persons knowledge about our government and the constitution.

p.s. if you cannot answer the two questions above correctly, please stay away from the poles tomorrow

but dont forget to make things happen that impact us more directly it starts with city council people, mayor, school boards and so forth. oh, and most def the local county tax commissioner!!! you wanna pay less taxes if you own a home? it all starts with the aforementioned people.i would prefer a fair tax, under 24k/yr, no tax and everyone else 18-21% however it works out. no penalty for making more money if you wanna try to make more or get a raise and no impact like the fair tax on purchased goods that could give an easier cause for the gov't to also crash due to possible recession like no and everyone tries to save more! as always

[JConner]

Socialized programs in general are a bad idea because it only leads to more and more money being pulled from the people to be put into them. People forget that all the heavy taxes we pay are still pretty new for this country. Income taxes weren't fully established until 1913 and then it was a much smaller percentage for everyone. And that just one of the taxes we pay. What is the cause of this you may ask... government run socialized programs like welfare, social security, ect... Medical coverage should be open to all and it is. Its just not free. But, if it becomes free then the level of care for all will most surely decline.

This all follows the typical run of a democracy's life. A democracy will die when the people who vote use that power to give themselves more and more. If this happens the economy will stagnate and then slowly decline until the government can no longer support itself and finally collapse. The avg. lifespan for a democracy... 200 years. e

http://www.catholic-convert.com/Defa...59&EntryID=395

I hope that you did not just say that we are a democracy.


we are a REPUBLIC not a democracy

Pledge of Allegiance ring a bell?

[NevrNufTorq]

Socialized programs in general are a bad idea because it only leads to more and more money being pulled from the people to be put into them. People forget that all the heavy taxes we pay are still pretty new for this country. Income taxes weren't fully established until 1913 and then it was a much smaller percentage for everyone. And that just one of the taxes we pay. What is the cause of this you may ask... government run socialized programs like welfare, social security, ect... Medical coverage should be open to all and it is. Its just not free. But, if it becomes free then the level of care for all will most surely decline.

This all follows the typical run of a democracy's life. A democracy will die when the people who vote use that power to give themselves more and more. If this happens the economy will stagnate and then slowly decline until the government can no longer support itself and finally collapse. The avg. lifespan for a democracy... 200 years.

http://www.catholic-convert.com/Defa...59&EntryID=395

very well put and as you well know "the fall of rome"

[NevrNufTorq]

I hope that you did not just say that we are a democracy.


we are a REPUBLIC not a democracy

Pledge of Allegiance ring a bell?

dont go all philosophical on this!! the discussion and posts were starting to get good. if you wanna knit pick take it to pm's please. you sound like a college professor trying to stir the pot freshman year to get you to figure out 'what you believe'

[JConner]

but dont forget to make things happen that impact us more directly it starts with city council people, mayor, school boards and so forth. oh, and most def the local county tax commissioner!!! you wanna pay less taxes if you own a home? it all starts with the aforementioned people.i would prefer a fair tax, under 24k/yr, no tax and everyone else 18-21% however it works out. no penalty for making more money if you wanna try to make more or get a raise and no impact like the fair tax on purchased goods that could give an easier cause for the gov't to also crash due to possible recession like no and everyone tries to save more! as always

you obviously have no idea what the fair tax is. please read this book.
(ps. i have a copy if you need to borrow it before you go to the poll's tomorrow)

Under the fair tax it will not matter how much a person makes per year. If you make 80K per year, you keep 80K per year. Under the fair tax you get taxed on how much you SPEND, not how much you MAKE!

[JConner]

dont go all philosophical on this!! the discussion and posts were starting to get good. if you wanna knit pick take it to pm's please. you sound like a college professor trying to stir the pot freshman year to get you to figure out 'what you believe'

i am not knit picking! there is a HUGE difference between a democracy and a republic!



btw: college professors usually have an opposite view than me.

[_Christian_]

People forget that all the heavy taxes we pay are still pretty new for this country. Income taxes weren't fully established until 1913 and then it was a much smaller percentage for everyone. And that just one of the taxes we pay. What is the cause of this you may ask... government run socialized programs like welfare, social security, ect...

Income tax was only established to pay for Canada's part in WW1. Now everyone has become accustomed to working 4 months out of the year for uncle sam. It just goes to show that if you give an inch they take a mile. Socialized healthcare will never work as well as privatized healthcare. The government in america has become too large and plays too much a part in everyone's lives. Socialism just doesn't work. It has been played out. The people who would support a socialist like Hillary are those who have failed miserably at life and want handouts, and those who lack the ability to reason.

[redrumracer]

i say **** everything and lets have another civil war and then start from scratch.

[JConner]

Income tax was only established to pay for Canada's part in WW1. Now everyone has become accustomed to working 4 months out of the year for uncle sam. It just goes to show that if you give an inch they take a mile. Socialized healthcare will never work as well as privatized healthcare. The government in america has become too large and plays too much a part in everyone's lives. Socialism just doesn't work. It has been played out. The people who would support a socialist like Hillary are those who have failed miserably at life and want handouts, and those who lack the ability to reason.

+ for you! Government does play toooooo much a role in our lives. The under-achievers (POOR) want more government while the high-achievers (rich) want less government.

I just watched a 13 year old boy say "Obama will fix what George Bush has messed up." on the 11:00 news

I dread the day that Hitlary or Osama Obama gets elected and we pull out of Iraq. We will soon thereafter be attacked by the radical islamic people again and those people that criticized Bush will wish he was still in office protecting us.

[redrumracer]

the CSA needs to win this time

and hopefully people will realize that the original war wasnt about slavery.

[_Christian_]

and hopefully people will realize that the original war wasnt about slavery.

seriously

[NevrNufTorq]

you obviously have no idea what the fair tax is. please read this book.
(ps. i have a copy if you need to borrow it before you go to the poll's tomorrow)

Under the fair tax it will not matter how much a person makes per year. If you make 80K per year, you keep 80K per year. Under the fair tax you get taxed on how much you SPEND, not how much you MAKE!

easy big boy!! i want the flat tax personally, the fair tax would fluctuate to much on spending and go up and down like the stock market. sorry i got the 2 mixed up.

and you're right most professors would prefer the opposite of your opinion but i went to the citadel so i didnt have the 'normal' college experience during the week

[JConner]

easy big boy!! i want the flat tax personally, the fair tax would fluctuate to much on spending and go up and down like the stock market. sorry i got the 2 mixed up.

and you're right most professors would prefer the opposite of your opinion but i went to the citadel so i didnt have the 'normal' college experience during the week

sorry lol! this is a very sensitive topic to me.

I am a poor college student, but..... my parents happen to be high-achievers (which I will be soon). I am all-for less taxes on the rich, woops i mean HIGH ACHIEVERS! it's all good.


edit:
i am not biased.... the fair tax or the flat tax would be great if we could ever get it enacted.

[mushroom_toy]

I kinda wish Bill Clinton was back in office lol.

[NevrNufTorq]

sorry lol! this is a very sensitive topic to me.

I am a poor college student, but..... my parents happen to be high-achievers (which I will be soon). I am all-for less taxes on the rich, woops i mean HIGH ACHIEVERS! it's all good.


edit:
i am not biased.... the fair tax or the flat tax would be great if we could ever get it enacted.

as much as i would like to see it, it will never happen. too easy to figure out what money goes where and then everyone starts asking questions about what really goes to area 51 and all that other stuff, just my take, but maybe we would never know and all that stuff would still be hidden in military budgets and stuff

[JConner]

as much as i would like to see it, it will never happen. too easy to figure out what money goes where and then everyone starts asking questions about what really goes to area 51 and all that other stuff, just my take, but maybe we would never know and all that stuff would still be hidden in military budgets and stuff

never say never. I don't see a simple tax system happening anytime soon but, I hope to see some change within my lifetime.

edit: although, 9 months from now we will know if we are moving towards or farther away from a simple tax plan.

[NevrNufTorq]

never say never. I don't see a simple tax system happening anytime soon but, I hope to see some change within my lifetime.

edit: although, 9 months from now we will know if we are moving towards or farther away from a simple tax plan.

they'll call it simple!!!! raise, raise, raise, pay more and more!!! see, simple

[JConner]

they'll call it simple!!!! raise, raise, raise, pay more and more!!! see, simple

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NevrNufTorq again.

[JConner]

time for me to go to bed. I hope I convinced some of the younger voters to think about their future today when they may .... or most likely will not, go to the polls to vote.

[YoungGun]

I hope that you did not just say that we are a democracy.


we are a REPUBLIC not a democracy

Pledge of Allegiance ring a bell?

If you actually read from the link... what I said was from a quote on there by a British professor discussing the Athenian REPUBLIC of 2000 years ago. I know the difference but democracy is our form of government. Its a republic because there are limits but its still a democracy.