http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2QF2ad28E
this clip sums up a lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2QF2ad28E
this clip sums up a lot
VERY NICE. +1 when I can.Originally Posted by tony
everyone is offended by everything nowadays. what he said wasn't that bad. ppl love to just blow everything out of proportion. everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon and get on the air so they can get a few minutes of fame. people love drama and love to be outraged. People like Sharpton just use it for publicity.
Lets take race out of the whole equation for a moment. Lets say you had a daughter on that team, you watch her practice day in and day out. You go to all her games and you are proud of her accomplishments. Her and her team worked like hell to make it to the finals and they are rewarded by being called whores. Would it still be no big deal if that was your daughter?
i would be like "wow what an asshole". I wouldnt take it to heart. I think that there are a lot more important things for the media and society to focus on than a stupid comment. it has gone way to far. it has caused more harm by being replayed, discussed, and debated on tv, because now his comment has reached everyone instead of just his listeners.
Have you ever really listen to the IMUS show ever? Dude is always making jokes.....
OR Im sure you have watched the Chapelle show.... and He said WORST shit... He was payed what 40.. 50 million to make racist comments...
Is called Ignorance AT ITS BEST.
A white man said it and Here comes Batman and robin ( sharpton and Jackson)...
Anyways....
BTW... How come no one has mentioned how SHARPTON love the jews and how he lost the lawsuit for a few millions and UP TO THIS DATE HE HASNT PAID SHIT... that crook says HE has 0 assets to pay!! hahahah what a joke...
WE NEED SOME REAL BLACK LEADERS TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND TAKE FUCKING CHARGE.... FUCK SHARPTON AND JACKSON......
i agree we need more leaders period.. our future is lookin fucked up.
No I havent really listened to him, I gave it a few tries and never really got into him.
Yes Ive watched Chapelle Show. And Im aware he gets away with racism
Sharpton and Jackson are a joke. They wait with baited breath for any thing remotely resembling a a racist comment, so they can get themselves back out in front of the cameras.
I am not saying his comment was racist or wasnt racist. What I was saying is that if I had a daughter and somebody on the radio called her a whore I would be pissed. It would "not be no big deal". Would I sue the radio station, no. Would I be all over tv bitching about it, no, but I would applaud thier decision to fire the person who said it.
thats dumb to say, NOone has the right to tell anyone not to be offended by anything. One thing might not offend u but it might offend someone else. Everyone has something that can be said to them that will just push their buttons. We all do its human nature. noone has the right to tell anyone what and what not to be offended by.
funny you say that.. Because seriously.. This is NOT ABOUT RIGHTS....
if it was about RIGHTS.. then where did FREEDOM OF SPEECH go ?
Rights are only important when is convinient for the idiots...
im not talkin abou rights, like freedom of speech, but im saying. If some shit goes down with a group of people, some might take offense to it, soem might. '
U got 3 folks white dude - black dude - asian dude
some random guy comes up and starts spitting insults about asians to all 3 of u alls face. it wont bother the black dude or the white dude. It would bother the asian tho.. the black and white dudes have no place to tell the asian dude.."u shouldnt be offended its not that serious". thats basic principle and respect for other people. If someone told me that something made them upset or shit...i may not understand but thats how they feel thats how they feel.
freedom of speech is alive and well, but u still have to deal with the results of your words. jesse jackson/al sharpton have dealt with their mouths the same way as imus is. sharpton/jackson may be ont he news and at conferences...but their credibility and intentions are always questioned and they will always be thought of as big mouth hipocrits because of their past, and form the shti they have say. Just like Imus hes not being put in jail hes not being fined.. hes being fired from a major station. Now if he was facing jailtime than the freedom of speech card can be thrown. But eveyrone has the freedom to say what they want.. but they need to be prepared to face the results of what they say.
true, but people seem to get offended way to damn easy. everyone always has to be overly-politically correct. what he said wasn't that damn bad. it was dumb and wrong, but come on. i have had much worse things said to me, friends, family, and about my race and taken much less or no offense. i think that the amount of people offended out weighs, by far, the amount damage that a comment like that should cause. it's all just a circus.
i think folks are taking their hatred towards sharpton and jackson out and mixing the girls into it. There not the ones all over the news. They spoke once on tv,and they had a private meeting with Imus and i guess patched it up. If i was on that team that shit wouldnt probrably do shit to me either.. but im not them so i cant downplay it.
As if womens sports get enough respect already calling them nappy headed hoes isn't all that bad? In the public? Wow, it has nothing to do with race but the statement alone was degrading to women period.. you dont know what they had to deal with to get to where they are or what they have to do to gain respect for their accomplishments.
the battle of the idiots...
Imus is an idiot to say that on radio
Sharpton is a crook
jackson is only opening his mouth when it will benefit him
3 smart man.... so much ignorance.. I seriously do Not know whos more ignorant out of the 3.
Imus is def the best out of the 3 though....
well put.
i leave my thread for 2 days
and it gets up to 10 pages...
lol good job IA, i'm proud
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Thanks for backing me up Julio.
BTW, Although Shirley girl has been doing a much better job at cleaning up ATL than any of her predecessors (although the last one was a crook who's now in jail, so the bar wasn't exactly high...) she too jumped on the bandwagon. Obama threw his .02 the other day too, a little late to the party are we Mr. Obama???
I fully expect the Hilda Beast Clinton to be somewhere in there in the fray soon enough.
Either way, Sharpton and Jesse started it but there sure are plenty of "leaders" jumping onto the bandwagon too. They too are just as much idiots as the ones who started it.
I also heard in Al's "news conference"
Besides, that is starting to sound dangerously close to censorship anyway.
I say, unless it's criminal, let the MARKET decide what is worth listening/watching. Afterall, we do have buttons that say "power on/off", right?
I say, unless it's criminal, let the MARKET decide what is worth listening/watching. Afterall, we do have buttons that say "power on/off", right?
the market did decide via sponsors, and didnt want anything to do with him or his show. u all act like his career is over, if imus was to get a show deal with another station, his rating would skyrocket because people want to hear what he has to say. I gurantee he will have a book or another show int he future.
I didn't even know IMUS was still alive until this....
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A) Sack Attack - you're an idiot.
2) As far as rap goes - you walk INTO the store and BUY "Jay-Z" and "Tupac". If it plays on public radio it's the radio version. If your daughter was on that team you'd think differently.
X) http://youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Well, then how do so many people know about those not so PG13 lyrics then? They certainly aren't listening to the clean version, so they would've had to of heard them somewhere, right?
Let me give you an example: Yesterday, we were at my son's birthday party thing for all his school friends. We had just sat all of the kids down to eat pizza and coke. A friend of ours, one of the parents of the children attending, phone went off. She had as her ring tone that "smack that ass" song that get's played on the radio 52 million times a day. Only the beginning of the song played for about 3 secs. ALL of the children started laughing and giggling. One of the parents said, "hey, what is so funny??? Yall don't know what that song is..." To which one of the children responded by singing all the lyrics up to the "ASS" part, which he just mouthed and not said out loud. Again, all the children broke out in laughter because they KNEW what the words were and that it was probably NOT cool for them to say them. How'd THEY hear it??? Most likely one of those 52 million times on the radio.
Point is: Although I understand what you're saying, many of the people that are saying to hold Black Entertainment's feet to the fire are doing so simply to prove a point and to show how unfair it is to only do it to one side of the equation. Do I care that certain songs have strong lyrics? Only when my kids are within hearing range. Do I care that entertainers make piles of money? Absolutely not. Do I care certain songs get played on the radio? Absolutely not, that's what the dial is for.
Bottomline is that if the Black community is going to take up arms against one insignificant guy for saying "nappy headed ho's", they should also take up arms against their own for saying far worse a whole lot more times than just once for 3 secs. If you don't, then you are being a hypocrite. "Ho's" means the same thing weather a White man says it or a Black man says it or a Brown man says it. Why should we treat any of them any different?
BTW, Carlos Mencia had a skit on his show last night that was entitled, "are you smarter than a WETBACK?" as a parody to Jeff F's show. I didn't watch it because I'm not a fan of Carlos, but should all Mexican's now make a big deal and have him fired??? He certainly labeled Mexican's with a direct name and on top of that the characters playing the skit were strictly stereotypical from what I saw. Now what? Should we have a week's worth of front page news about it? Should we call for his firing? See the double standard?
You answered your own question - ONE OF THE PARENTS had that tone in a setting full of kids.
If she is a parent w/ that tone, then what movies does she watch at home? What ELSE is she exposing her kids to? And it's not just her - it's in almost every household.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
So you think that it just happened to be that all 18 children that were present happen to have heard the uncut version of that Akon song with the full consent of their parents at some point or another?
I can vouch for atleast 2 of the children present and I know that the ONLY place they would hear those uncut lyrics would be from the RADIO or TV. Either way, I can guarantee you that MY 2 kids have NEVER bought or listened to that song in it's uncut version with MY permission nor my wife's. So where'd they hear it? Again, on the radio and TV.
My point was simple. You said that radio plays "clean" versions of music, and I'm telling you that they don't all the time. This was a party for 8 yr old kids. Do you honestly think that their parents would knowingly allow their 8 yr old son/daughter to listent to that song's lyrics which are talking about "smacking that ass" while you are having SEX???? But somehow or another they KNOW what that song is about or atleast suspect it's not good. So how come we are not boycotting Akon or the radio stations for advocating "smacking the ass" of a woman while she's on all 4's and we're pounding her from behind?????
Again, I personally don't have issue with it, that's what the dial is for. I monitor what both my kids and even my Godchildren when they come over watch and even download onto their Ipods. If I don't like it, then the answer to them is "NO", end of discussion. Does that mean that their buddies at school won't let them listen to THEIR Ipod where the same song I veto'd could be??? I'm not stupid to think it's not possible. It still doesn't change the fact that AKON sung the song with certain lyrics. HE chose to do that. HIS record label recorded it and made piles of money off it. RADIO plays it over and over again, with them too making gobs of money off it. Bottomline is that AKON can say whatever HE wants and there is no retribution for it. One old WHITE guy says "nappy headed ho's" on a show that has a minute fraction of what AKON's audience is, yet he gets fired and labeled while Akon goes on to fame and fortune. Double standard exhibit #5000000000000.
I kinda agree. People do have the ability to turn the dial. When I have kids, I will definately monitor what they hear, do, see, and damn near think, lol.So you think that it just happened to be that all 18 children that were present happen to have heard the uncut version of that Aikon song with the full consent of their parents at some point or another?
I can vouch for atleast 2 of the children present and I know that the ONLY place they would hear those uncut lyrics would be from the RADIO or TV. Either way, I can guarantee you that MY 2 kids have NEVER bought or listened to that song in it's uncut version with MY permission nor my wife's. So where'd they hear it? Again, on the radio and TV.
My point was simple. You said that radio plays "clean" versions of music, and I'm telling you that they don't all the time. This was a party for 8 yr old kids. Do you honestly think that their parents would knowingly allow their 8 yr old son/daughter to listent to that song's lyrics which are talking about "smacking that ass" while you are having SEX???? But somehow or another they KNOW what that song is about or atleast suspect it's not good. So how come we are not boycotting Akon or the radio stations for advocating "smacking the ass" of a woman while she's on all 4's and we're pounding her from behind?????
Again, I personally don't have issue with it, that's what the dial is for. I monitor what both my kids and even my Godchildren when they come over watch and even download onto their Ipods. If I don't like it, then the answer to them is "NO", end of discussion. Does that mean that their buddies at school won't let them listen to THEIR Ipod where the same song I veto'd could be??? I'm not stupid to think it's not possible. It still doesn't change the fact that AKON sung the song with certain lyrics. HE chose to do that. HIS record label recorded it and made piles of money off it. RADIO plays it over and over again, with them too making gobs of money off it. Bottomline is that AKON can say whatever HE wants and there is no retribution for it. One old WHITE guy says "nappy headed ho's" on a show that has a minute fraction of what AKON's audience is, yet he gets fired and labeled while Akon goes on to fame and fortune. Double standard exhibit 5000000000000.
But, I just feel that IMUS still "called out" a group. The RUTGERS B-BALL TEAM.
If Akon were to say that he was "smacking Oprah or Hillary's ass on the floor" he would catch pure hell......yuck, that is a horrible thought by the way
And after the Rutgers team met one-on-one with him they said they wanted it to be over and done with. Why isn't it if they are the ones that should've (and rightly so IMO) been offended? It's because the spin doctors keep twisting it around to more than it really was to begin with.
OMG, out of all the beautiful women in the world that you could've picked for your example......If Akon were to say that he was "smacking Oprah or Hillary's ass on the floor" he would catch pure hell......yuck, that is a horrible thought by the way
And after the Rutgers team met one-on-one with him they said they wanted it to be over and done with. Why isn't it if they are the ones that should've (and rightly so IMO) been offended? It's because the spin doctors keep twisting it around to more than it really was to begin with.
OMG, out of all the beautiful women in the world that you could've picked for your example......
You are correct, definately. The issues should have been killed after they met with him. I watched a women's forum last night, mixed races, they are pissed! It has now gone from racist to offensive, offensive to disrespectful. The women are using this make a point across U.S., and they are going to run with it! Watch what you say to your wives and girlfriends.....
I used them only because I think they will blast someone for saying things like that.....only for effect, not desire lol.
Wrong. The bottom line is the CDs are sensored - there are ratings right there on the packaging. And the FCC approves what can be played or not. People act like this is Imus' 1st dance and it's not - he has been asking for it for years. He earned exactly what he got. I dont think it infringed on his first amendment rights, if you worked at a grocery store and called one of the patrons a nappy headed ho you would get fired too. Right or not- the old white man should know he's messing with his meal ticket by saying that. Just because a rapper can say it doesn't mean you can. I've never been a fan, so I can't say that I know the typical style of his program. It sounded to me like he used the same context that someone of my generation would use, referring to a type of woman of any racial descent. But he's got to know that he's not Dave Chappelle and that he's not the person to boldly go where no old white guy has gone before. Especially making fun of women in a predominantly African-American sport. I don't like the idea of firing someone based on what I heard him specifically say. I do support the idea, however, of firing Imus now that I know he is ignorant enough to think HE could get away with saying it (and on the air!). You have to possess a certain element of stupid for that. And what other points of view are perverted by that same element of stupid?
He'll find a job somewhere. Or maybe he can write a book about all of this and make even more money...
1) You have the right to not buy things from advertisers on his show.
2) You have the right to change the channel.
3) His employer has the right to fire him if they want.
4) You have the right to be mad if he said this about your daughter while sitting right in front of you at the B-ball game.
5) You can even punch him in the lip but then you turn into the bad guy and have to take responsibility for what you do. And that's what he is doing - taking responsibility for what he said.
He's a button pusher and has been for 20 years. An equal opportunity offender and he's made these kinds of remarks about every race, color and religious background.
The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech. Where does it guarantee the right to not be offended?
As far as Don, I think they fired him because of pressure from sponsors, media and so on. They were worried about their image if they approved imus to continue broadcasting. My personal opinion is that what he said was out of line and should realize that his light hearted comment was taken very seriously by others.. but this national epidemic is rediculous. Imus continues to sincerely apologize and the basketball team accepts the apology and moved on but will not forget... just like the rest of the world should. We have way too many more serious issues to deal with right now. I believe racism is a very serious issue, but I don't believe Don was being racist, he just said a racist thing and didn't think things through before he said it. I'm sure he said this comment in reference to the hip hop community (wheather he hears the slang from rap or on the streets), however that's not an excuse. It is also not "rap's" fault. Don screwed up, we still live in a time where many people are still very hurt from the past (slavery), and as long as that hurt is spread down generation to generation.. we must respect each other's seperate racial cultures.
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Wrong. That's not censorship. That is warning labels, very very different. NOONE is keeping the rappers from rapping about ANYTHING. Last time there was any kind of real censorship was back in the 2live Crew deal. There is a HUGE difference between putting a sticker warning parents (they are the only ones that DON'T know what bad words are being used if there is anyone that doesn't know) that in that disc there are 52 million curse words used. That sticker DOES NOT keep the rapper from saying those words to begin with NOR is it keeping him from recording those words onto a CD NOR does it keep him from selling that CD and making gobs of money off it. So NO censorship at all there. Sorry.
What's played on the air, yes. What's sold at the stores, NO. What sells at the stores? Dirty version.And the FCC approves what can be played or not.
Exactly. He's been using the same type of dry humor against every race under the sun, but now suddenly it makes a difference??? How so?People act like this is Imus' 1st dance and it's not - he has been asking for it for years.
No he didn't. If there was any other more important news last week, he'd still have his job today. If a Black man would've said it, he'd have a job today regardless. So how exactly did he get what he deserved???? He got what he got because the 1st Ammendment rights really don't and shouldn't apply AT WORK. AT WORK, the only rights that matter are the ones your boss affords you since it's HIS BUSINESS. But if Imus went to a street corner and shouted at the top of his lungs what everybody is having their panties in a bunch about there would be NOTHING ANYONE could do. NOTHING!!! Why? First Ammendment. AT WORK, the owner should be the ONLY one to have any say so NOT ANYONE ELSE. That's NOT what happened here at all.He earned exactly what he got.
See above.I dont think it infringed on his first amendment rights, if you worked at a grocery store and called one of the patrons a nappy headed ho you would get fired too. Right or not- the old white man should know he's messing with his meal ticket by saying that.
When you work FOR someone, you are working under THEIR rules. Imus' employer DIDN'T have a problem with what he said UNTIL Sharpton and Jackson made the media frenzy they did. Remember, he said it for a good week or two BEFORE the media and the race pimps got a hold of it.....why didn't he get fired before that??? His bosses were listening just fine to it WHEN he said it to begin with. Funny how that works, right?
There is a big difference between a quick backlash to sticking your foot in your mouth and caving in to political correctness and scare tactics. BIG DIFFERENCE.
There it is!!! That's the real reason all this crap is going on. The DOUBLE STANDARD that everyone thinks is all fine and dandy until it involves them.Just because a rapper can say it doesn't mean you can.
Tell me exactly WHY it's "can" and anyone else "can't". What exactly entitles the rappers to say what they want with impunity yet when someone else says a tiny portion of what they scream out at their concerts in front of millions of people including under age children they suddenly get labeled "racist(s)"? How does that work like that?
Then how can you say that he has been "asking for it for years"???I've never been a fan, so I can't say that I know the typical style of his program. It sounded to me like he used the same context that someone of my generation would use, referring to a type of woman of any racial descent.
Same way everyone else who backs his firing did.....Al and Jesse told them so....
There you go again, using that double standard. Why is it that Chappelle can and Imus can't? THEY ARE WORDS, folks. WORDS!!!But he's got to know that he's not Dave Chappelle and that he's not the person to boldly go where no old white guy has gone before. Especially making fun of women in a predominantly African-American sport.
Are we going to keep promoting a society where it's ruled by a bunch of NIMBYs (Not In MY Back Yard) wimps???? Everything is status quo until someone wants to do it in YOUR backyard, THEN it's not cool anymore. BS. Right is right, wrong is wrong REGARDLESS.
I thought you said he got what he "deserved"?I don't like the idea of firing someone based on what I heard him specifically say.
Hmmm, then how come he gets fired NOW? Watching the news explains why. Al, Jesse, and all the bandwagon riders will tell you why since they are the only ones getting the real airtime.He's a button pusher and has been for 20 years. An equal opportunity offender and he's made these kinds of remarks about every race, color and religious background.
Exactly, so why is this such a big deal? Hurt feelings aren't PROTECTED under ANY part of the U.S. Constitution.The Constitution guarantees freedom of speech. Where does it guarantee the right to not be offended?
[/quote]As far as Don, I think they fired him because of pressure from sponsors, media and so on. They were worried about their image if they approved imus to continue broadcasting. My personal opinion is that what he said was out of line and should realize that his light hearted comment was taken very seriously by others.. but this national epidemic is rediculous. Imus continues to sincerely apologize and the basketball team accepts the apology and moved on but will not forget... just like the rest of the world should. We have way too many more serious issues to deal with right now. I believe racism is a very serious issue, but I don't believe Don was being racist, he just said a racist thing and didn't think things through before he said it. [/quote]
Agree with you there.
Why? This is a completely different 50 debate, but what in the world are people still pondering over slavery for? It's an excuse.we still live in a time where many people are still very hurt from the past (slavery), and as long as that hurt is spread down generation to generation.. we must respect each other's seperate racial cultures.
Oprah - I'd hit it.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
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