Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
Many people already feel handcuffed to their employers for health benefits but that's another issue. Everyone knows that health benefits through employers is a WW2 relic that makes no sense in the current environment.
I dont really have an opinion on health insurance through employers because the costs are the same either way.



Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
But you still haven't answered why a 25% increase in premiums is worse than an increase in taxes to pay for the same people's health coverage through medicare.
The tax increase will be smaller than the premium increase will be. You simply have a larger pool to collect from. The overall costs may also.



Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
By offset the costs, you mean rich people will bear the burden (since you are saying income based premiums).
The rich already bear the burden of income taxes while nearly half of taxpayers have a negative liability. Dems want an even higher percentage of their money so why should this bother you? BTW, the rich will not be on medicare so it wont affect them.



Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
The price of treatment doesn't change much. An MRI is still an MRI whether private insurance pays for it or medicare does.
The price of treatment changes drasticly. Medicare does not cover the real cost of most procedures. Those losses are then passed onto private health insurance in the form of higher procedure costs. The next question is why do I want more people on program that is going to cause a larger gap in payments to docs. The answer is simple, there is no better place to put them. You cant drop them in the lap of private health insurers then prevent them from charging a reasonable premium based on the health of the customer.



Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
We weren't talking about fixing Obamacare on the whole, just the employer loophole you mentioned.
The employer mandate is a major revenue stream for the govt to pay for Obamacare. Just like without the individual mandate, the law is FAR to expensive to survive without the employer mandate.