i think that's the most i ever wrote on IA in my life...WTF is happening to me...fuk yall, i hate yall because you suck
i think that's the most i ever wrote on IA in my life...WTF is happening to me...fuk yall, i hate yall because you suck
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
George Bush was a better president than Obama. Obama's good deeds are buried in a sea of mistakes. If Obama was anywhere remotely near his "predictions", he wouldnt be criticized so heavily. Obama is the worst president in american history. If he wasnt black, i dont think you and i would be disagreeing right now. That is my honest opinion.
IMO i see the US in the same situation as when Obama took office, it's not the 'black' thing...it's the Bush was a fukd up President and Clinton wasnt... Clinton > Obama > Bush <------------- and that's being real w/ my opinion...that same link you posted about 'Obama being the worst' w/ the numbers, it's like you totally didnt care about the numbers that Bush took down while he was in office. IJS, the numbers that Clinton put up, Bush took down. YES the numbers went lower w/ Obama, but i dont see shit continuously sinking either. i see it stabilizing. truthfully i THINK 2nd year in his 2nd term numbers will start to improve money wise. couple things i dont agree w/..money on 'green energy' and this paying for abortions...that's fuk shit
Clinton>Bush>Obama in my book simply. Not trying to change your opinion but
What did Bush specifically do wrong that you find so terrible? No one was complaining about jobs under bush until the last 2 months in office (which i have stipulated he was 50% at fault, remember Democrats had COMPLETE control of congress. They passed legislation that lead to the financial collapse, Bush went along with it).
All presidents have negatives, Clinton slashed defense and we got 9/11 as a result, Bush spent way too much, expanded govt, and turned a blind eye to the financial crisis brewing, Obama has done little to nothing to fix the economy.
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yeah.... it's "stabilizing" at a trillion dollars........................................... ..........................
Bush had an avg deficit of 266b, even if you add up the entire 4 years or surplus from Clinton and add that as negative to Bush, it's about 1/2 of Obama's year 1 deficit that hes maintained for 4 years.....
Obama's numbers are not "kinda bad"..... theyre historically fucking unbelievably bad..... If Bill Clinton was the New England Patriots, George Bush is the Tennessee Titans and Obama is the Tennessee Volunteers.
i can feel what you saying...Obama hasnt fixed the economy, i think he's stabilized it. like i said in my previous post i think he'd turn numbers around in the 2nd year of his 2nd term.
as i mentioned before i dont follow politics, as this is the first time ever, this year, i've even posted in the political section because both sides of voting have disgusted me..so i'm here. but w/ that said, i dont remember specifics about Bush's terms, i just felt he didnt do well what you said could be true and if so, well, he wasnt AS bad, but like any other president there are things he coulda done better
soooooo you're negating the surplus bush took, 'eliminated' and went help assist the country in debt?
I'm saying even if you bend over and accept any possible negativity you could possibly blame on Bush..... it's still not anywhere close to being as bad as Obama.
How can you say Obama is stabilizing when his deficits are still currently twice what the previous record deficit would be and Obamacare hasnt even kicked in yet.....
I will lose faith in humanity if Obama wins reelection. It will be proof that our election system is a joke.
you are one of the 'force feeding' ones i despise conversing with, but somehow i allow myself to keep being dragged into debate with you. yes I said stabilizing. am i forcing you to believe what i believe he has done? nope...are you? yep
The surplus wasnt really a surplus in reality. It really shows you how shitty both sides are and will lie to you.
Remember bush had 9/11 9 months into office, that would have wiped out any 200 billion dollar surplus. Ill give obama a pass on his first year as well considering what he had to deal with.
Did Bill Clinton Really Leave George Bush a Surplus? - CNN iReport
The Clinton Surplus Myth - Craig Steiner - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary
The Clinton surplus also wsa a false boom from the .com bubble that burst and bled into Bushs first term. So bush took over with a deep recession, and the largest terror attack on american soil in history. It wasnt all roses . He had slightly less to deal with than obama
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the only thing that proves the election system is a joke is the president winning more electors than the popular vote, not because you don't agree with the president and that you dismiss factual information as "liberal"
that's alot of verbage i'm sure behind those links *insert did not read gif* lol not being ignorant but calling face cuz i dont feel like reading all of what's involved. but i'm betting it's a worthy post that at least helps w/ what you're saying
This is why Obama is popular. Not because he has done anything for our country.
I just cant fathom how you can dismiss the obvious truths about Obama.
i can't fathom how someone always only points out the negative. i guess we can save face and both be consumed w/ our unfathomability...
Because no other presidents before Obama hung with celebrities. Right...This is why Obama is popular. Not because he has done anything for our country.
Bad argument after bad argument.
Oh well, i guess i can have hope that not everyone is an Obama apologist.
that's supposed to do what for me?
Make it a racial issue
i thought so.
I really mean this respectfully, so please dont take it the wrong way:
If you arent willing to go read or learn the stats and numbers, then you cannot use that information in an argument. Ive brought up 2 points now and youve said "i dont really follow politics" or "im not going to go read all that" as a response to legitimate questions.
And im not just advocating myself to be RIGHT, im trying to have someone, of the opposite view point, read the same data, form an opinion, and challenge me back. I know you CARE, its obvious with the way you post. But if you want to advocate for a position, you better be able to back it up and understand/know the data. Thats all.
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i respect that, 100%, and your opinion you've derived from things like what you posted. i think high % of the time my arguments are against things that seem to have no sustenance in post like of what Sinfix posts up. i dont mind people forming their own opinion, willing to have a discussion about ALL factors.
Im glad you didnt take that wrong! I like having civil discussions. There were times when i remember I could be pretty angry and argue by calling names and i just realized that doesnt accomplish anything.
Im sure BLank remembers HAHAHAHA
I know some of the turnoffs of Politics is the verbage, the complexity of the shit and lies from both sides, it turns people away. People like you who want to be involved, probably have a hard time really getting involved because its like being dropped in China and told to learn Mandarin. Theres things and areas of expertise that Blank knows more than i do so If i dont know how to argue him back, i spend about 20 minutes absorbing as much info as i can, because i KNOW he will pounce on me if i post the wrong thing :P
Im in no way telling you your opinion is wrong or that you need to come over to "my side", im just debating, interested in hearing other sides.
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that's all i'm saying. for people that get out and vote, the way that sin comes off, it doesnt help a person whose already decided to vote for Obama to try to decide to vote for Romney, if anything the ignorance can turn people off. a discussion will accomplish a helluva lot more.
I think once he accepts that you cannot change anyones mind, all you can do is present your side, and let them make their own mind up. YOu have to accept the fact that they may disagree with you.
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I agree with filtering social programs and not allow free loaders. I personally know more free loaders than people really needing help. I NEVER disagreed with this.
But, I know that if Romney had his way he would throw everyone out and say "fuck the programs you lazy fucks."
That is where I don't agree
I don't agree that leaving insurance privatized will help.
I'm tired of seeing cases where people are not covered for "pre-existing conditions"
You have cancer, insurance companies don't want you
Your old, they don't want you.
This is what Romney wants.
The Rich doing what they want and getting away with it.
It's like a gay person saying fuck straight people, dick is so much better than pussy when they've never had pussy in their life.
That's Romney to the people
I will know enjoy my night... sinfix can relate lol
Youre wrong on so many counts, its not even worth the effort to point it out. You really need to educate yourself on the issues before you post stuff like this that is just flagrantly false.
Obamacare doesnt do anything to address the things you brought up anyway, and Romney hasnt said anything you claim either.
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WHAT? Romney doesn't want to get rid of Obamacare?
He doesn't want to keep insurance private?
come on man. YOU WILL NEVER AGREE with anything me, blankcd, sammich, or any one says man. Neither will sinfix. You consider everyone ignorant. Watch the second debate and tell me this wasn't addressed and that's not what came out of Romney's and Obama's mouth.
Raw Video: President defends 'Obamacare' during first Presidential debate against Romney - YouTube
Mitt Romney and Barack Obama Debate Obamacare (The Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act) - YouTube
I have personally experienced "you were at the hospital 2 years ago for chest pain, therefore you have a preexisting condition which we will not cover"
THAT'S WHEN I SAID FUCK PRIVATE INSURANCE.
How are you going to tell me this is not happening!
The problem is you dont even understand the current system enough to act like Obamacare fixes ANYTHING.
ROmney wants to get rid of Obamacare, but wants to replace it with something better. WE dont know what that is yet.
Private insurance companies HAVE TO EXIST. HEALTHCARE IS A BUSINESS, PERIOD. DOCTORS NEED TO BE PAID, SO DO NURSES, etc. Whats the average cost of healthcare approaching in 2010? 2+ TRILLION DOLLARS. So how much tax revenue would you have to raise to be able to fund Govt healthcare. Ill let you tell me the answer. Heres a hint, .30 of every dollar you spend in taxes goes to defense, which operates around 500 billion.
So? How will the same thing not happen under obamacare? We have already seen how the insurance companies are sidestepping laws and finding loopholes. Or, they will just go out of business.I have personally experienced "you were at the hospital 2 years ago for chest pain, therefore you have a preexisting condition which we will not cover"
THAT'S WHEN I SAID FUCK PRIVATE INSURANCE.
How are you going to tell me this is not happening!
You can have insurance now, they will just jack your rates up, like they have been doing.
Obamacare hasnt solved the problem at all, youre acting like the typical liberal who thinks the GOP wants to throw grandma over a cliff and the poor can die in the streets.
Its retarded.
I shouldnt have to tell you how to argue, your statements are just patently false. You are ripping Romney for shit hes NEVER SAID and plans hes NEVER advocated for.
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OF COURSE THEY DONT WANT YOU IF YOU HAVE CANCER. Its like insuring a person with 5 DUIs, THEY DONT WANT YOU, you drive the cost up for everyone.
The problem is 2 fold
1) If you dont have coverage, and THEN get cancer, why didnt you have coverage before?
2) If you have coverage and get cancer, they shouldnt be able to jack your rates.
Obamcare doesnt solve either of those issues. period.
Obamacare is designed to cut the Private Insurance companies out, and shift toward Govt run single payer system. Its bad for everyone.
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Here is why this annoys me. Me and Vteckidd share a pretty like view on this topic. I've even posted a good bit of the exact same info. Kidd goes a bit further and articulates his point better than i do and he feeds it to you in a spoonful of icecream. I dont do that.... I'm an asshole. If i think you're acting stupid, i am going to tell you bluntly.
Most of the things i have criticized you for, you get upset at me,..... but then openly admit to doing them.
I say "most Obama supporters just support him blindly and have no clue about his policies"
you get mad, but then a few posts down the road you admit that you dont pay attention to policies and dont really know much about Obama or Romney.
So what is it exactly that makes you chose Obama??? Just a gut feeling? you like his name?....
You're constantly getting on me about stereotyping, but you're being a stereotype.... Pretty much every Obama supporter on this site is black.. and the only one that can tell you a reason why he supports Obama is blank. I disagree with nearly everything blank says.... i often get annoyed and hurl insults his way or intentionally try to piss him off... but i respect Blank himself.
You sure?
I can get insurance now.
My mom, who had leukemia, would have been cut off by her insurance companies one million dollar cap, which is now gone.
I can't sit here and name all 3054 things obamacare does.
There's some good things like preexisting conditions being able to get coverage, but all that will do is drive costs up for everyone else.
It doesn't fix any of the two things he blamed Romney for.
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Why did your mom have a cap?
I think the #1 thing with healthcare is honestly educatiog people on their policies. Its designed to be impossible to understand.
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QUICK QUESTION...they said, i dont remember where i heard this, Romney wants to eliminate 'Obamacare' and incorporate his own 'healthcare plan' that's damn near the same and that he used damn near the same care plan while he was governer of Mass...any truth to that?
yes and no. Theres BIG differences in the plans.
Obamacare is a federal govt run healthcare system. The individual mandate is designed to make everyone have insurance, however, the fine for not carrying insurance in the first few years is drastically cheaper than the average HC policy. IE would you rather pay a $400 fine or $3000 for healthcare?
Secondly, by limiting caps, coverage, and telling the private insurance companies what they can charge or do, those companies will either A) Decide to close up B) Charge more for the premium if they are having to cover more on the back end. Eventually they will price themselves out of the market once the "exchanges" are up an running.
Romneys plan in MASS was a STATE run plan, and it only targeted IIRC like 8% of people that didnt have insurance. It wasnt a national plan, and there were huge differences in implementation.
Obamacare charges you for 10 years of taxes, but you dont get any benefits until 4 years in (10 years of payments, 6 years of coverage)
Imagine paying car insurance for 4 years and if you got in a wreck it didnt matter. Not very fair is it?
Lastly, Individual mandate is a GOP idea that was originally brought up years ago. In theory it sounds great. Require everyone to have insurance! but then you start looking at the problems that comes with it.
I firmly believe the only way to solve the healthcare issue is to do a few things:
1) Buy across state lines which encourages competition
2) Healthcare plans need to be tailored to what people need. offer catastrophic plans for young people, cancer plans for others, whatever.
3) Make people understand what their insurance purchases. Dont pay $5000 for an MRI when it really costs $500.
4) TORT REFORM
Bring costs down for hospitals and doctors, and premiums will lower as a result.
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FYI Im not for Obamacare at all, nor Romneys state run plan. I believe healthcare is best when it is a for profit business. Govt intervention will not solve it.
We must let the for profit system work, it will solve the problem. But we need policies in place that understand that.
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Insurance companies suck, they are no good. I like the government stepping in.
Plus wouldn't that cause issues for those involved (both doctors and patients) who don't have insurance and go to the ER for every sinus infection they get?
that is crazy for how long you pay and for when you get covered..not even jobs do that, at least not where i am...you get yoru 90 evaluation then you decide if you want insurance.
but at the end of the day if the hospitals and doctors didnt charge $5million for each procedure, the health system would be better off
theres a reason they charge an astronomical amount. We must lower those costs. That is my point. Obamacare doesnt address any of those reasons
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